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[Patchwork]

lknewsome wrote...

I learned my lesson the first time. I voted for blondie the 1st time but will not vote at all this time. I'm tired of all the blonde bashing just because people thought they weren't going to get what they wanted. Looks like red is ahead this time and people with red hair better brace themselves. They will probably get complaints that redheads look like lobsters and have the same brains or something stupid like that.

No this time the backlash will have a legitimate argument in that the redhead was made to look different from the other 3.

IMO the redhead would have won anyway but by doing it this way BW have set themselves up for critisim.

[Kidd]

vincor32 wrote...

It is a SPLIT VOTE for the blonde. that is the point.

Does not matter. In an election vote, you only have one vote. Hence making "option 1a", "option 1b" and "option 2" will make it harder for 1 to win - there's two variants of 1 after all. But you've got as many votes as you want to here, you could vote for the entire gallery if you just wanna see numbers go up and don't care about anything else, theoretically.

If you want BlondeShep and feel happy with both, vote for both. This poll isn't so much about "who you want", more like "who do you -not- want" due to its nature. That approach is fine too, both work just fine, it's only this one is one where having split votes like two variants of the same option will not hurt the result.

Sepewrath wrote...

Complete bull, this is nothing but a vote to get rid of the blonde and I hope it blows up in their face and they get an even worst wave of complaining. The majority vote DID dictate the majorities preference, which then the minority complained about and now that their going to be the majority, they get their way. 

A lot of people also voiced their opinions that they only liked part of the package they voted for. Thus BioWare gave us a chance to fine tune our votes. I voted for FemShep3 in the first voting period and I won't get any variant of her now on the cover. And I would've liked if she won and perhaps she could've been in round 2, yadda yadda. Didn't turn out that way.

-But- if you did like the complete package of FemShep5, then you can vote for BlondeShep all you want now. Just do it. If you liked the complete package then stick with it (rhetorical "you", not literal "you" =)).

Maker knows I wish politics worked like this. I'm a fairly strong supporter of the vast majority of the points "my party" stands for, but there are some parts I would prefer they wouldn't talk about or try to change. Had the Swedish government been BioWare, I could've voted for the party I always vote for and vote against them pressing those few issues I do not like. It's a higher level of democracy, and it'd be great.

Of course we're not getting all variable versions we want. But so what? It'd take a ridiculous amount of time to set up those 10 or whatever rounds. We should be happy we're getting as much as we're getting. This is way more than pretty much any other developer ever did for their fans. Am I sad that I didn't get FemShep3? Yes, of course I am. But at least I can help choose a variant of FemShep5 which I like best. And I assure you, I did not vote out of some kind of spite, nor do I believe the vast majority of voters did either. I simply voted for who I liked best.

[young fox]

Zarathiel wrote...

Except that this isn't creative direction. It's fanservice.

This is my only problem with this entire farce. I wish BioWare would just have settled on something, instead of dragging the infinitely loud and whiny fanbase into it. That way we could have avoided this silly situation.

Legitimate poll -> massive outcry from fans wanting redhead -> lol, damage control.

[rapscallioness]

GodWood wrote...

First world problems...

Ha!

[Zarathiel]

vincor32 wrote...

haters gonna hate. democracy ftw.

Says the person who didn't even vote in the poll.

[rapscallioness]

If the first vote had been invalidated, I wouldn't be having to deal with this damn donald trump comb over/mullet hybrid mutant ninja turtle hairstyle. But as it it is I'm stuck w/ it. Meh.

[harktag]

For the record, when I voted for the "blonde" Shepard in Round 1, I choose it specifically because of the hairstyle, not the hair color. I even added a comment saying that I was voting for that one, but with the stipulation that I thought she would look much cooler as a redhead. SO GLAD that I can now finally vote for the Shepard I intended on voting for from the beginning with Round 2!

[rapscallioness]

harktag wrote...

For the record, when I voted for the "blonde" Shepard in Round 1, I choose it specifically because of the hairstyle, not the hair color. I even added a comment saying that I was voting for that one, but with the stipulation that I thought she would look much cooler as a redhead. SO GLAD that I can now finally vote for the Shepard I intended on voting for from the beginning with Round 2!

See, and this is the point. I got out voted on the hairSTYLE in round 1. I have to deal with it. Now the vote has been narrowed down to hair color, if blonde doesn't win, then the OP needs to deal with it as well.

[Knight of Dane]

Blonde is still the only way to go, Bioware are tying their hands by shifting to new polls.

[Sylvianus]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Blonde is still the only way to go, Bioware are tying their hands by shifting to new polls.

Why it's still the only way to go ?

[harktag]

rapscallioness wrote...

harktag wrote...

For the record, when I voted for the "blonde" Shepard in Round 1, I choose it specifically because of the hairstyle, not the hair color. I even added a comment saying that I was voting for that one, but with the stipulation that I thought she would look much cooler as a redhead. SO GLAD that I can now finally vote for the Shepard I intended on voting for from the beginning with Round 2!

See, and this is the point. I got out voted on the hairSTYLE in round 1. I have to deal with it. Now the vote has been narrowed down to hair color, if blonde doesn't win, then the OP needs to deal with it as well.

True. In the end, though, my FemShep will remain looking the exact same way she always has. Just like how I never really liked default MaleShep either and made my own. I never thought I ever had to "deal with" the default MaleShep. By the end of the day, the contest results don't really matter. It's only for marketing purposes. I don't mind them trying to market with the most "popular" image if that's what they think will help them sell the product the most.

Modifié par harktag, 17 août 2011 - 11:24 .

[Balek-Vriege]

I really like the Red hair especially now that I noticed she has freckles etc. (although green eyes are a bit too green. However I will say this:

When I heard the rumors of a new round of voting for hair colour the other day, I knew it would be much closer for a couple reasons:

1. "Voter turnout": The fact is the "election" is over. What we're having now is similar to a by-election or a run-off election somehow no one knows about. The news of a second poll won't reach as many as the first and a lot of people who may have voted in the first, won't in the second (assumption, we will see if that turns out to be true by final numbers).

2. "Voter passions": Obviously the pendulum is going to swing towards anti-blonde and/or pro-other hair colour, since they will be more motivated to get their way. As with many real world elections, votes swing the other way in by-elections where passions are strong (think US 2008 vs US 2010 elections).

Now since the new poll came out, I knew there was one fatal flaw that would kill Blonde Shep:

The dirty-blonde/blonde choices. For the poll to be truly fair (not that it matters right from because of the numbers right now), there would have been 6 options of hair with a light and dark tint for each colour. Something like:

Jet Black Hair
Lighter Black Hair
Light Blonde
Dirty Blonde
Red Hair
Light Red/Auburn Hair

Maybe replace lighter black option with white platinum hair or something. The fact is if those were done, it's fairly likely that Jet Black would come close or indead win the poll.

There's also another problem too: The fact we're voting on hair alone isn't true. We're also voting for Femshep 4 complexion/eye colour vs. other three options' identical faces. It could be argued, that Bioware split the blonde vote and added a few special tweaks to Femshep 4, so they get what they want by recreating a high res Jane Shepard.  Before voting started I knew that Red hair would be the first or second choice at least, because of that very reason.

There could indeed be... a conspiracy DUN DUN DUN!!!!

One that wasn't needed, because Red hair shep looks like its would win regardless.

Edits:  accidently posted before proof reading

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 17 août 2011 - 11:47 .

[RPGamer13]

It's the FemShep that the general public, those who haven't played the games, will base their opinions of the character on.

I don't like the things blond hair is associated with, and wouldn't want people who don't know any better to think that of the female version of Commander Shepard.

I think it's a great idea, something they should have done from the start.


Just for the record: I voted for red not because that's what the hair color of the default from the first game is, but because it's the same hair color I, myself, have.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 17 août 2011 - 11:50 .

[Sylvianus]

People vote for what they see and what they like. There are a variety of very true different colors, the conspiracy theory about two blonde has no substance.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 août 2011 - 11:49 .

[Tommy6860]

I think I got screwed, because this is who I wanted for my femShep:

[Balek-Vriege]

Sylvianus wrote...

People vote for what they see and what they like. There are a variety of very true different colors, the conspiracy theory about two blonde has no substance.

You don't deny though that the way the new round of voting is set up that there is a bias, intentionally or not, for certain options to be more likely to win?

Not that almost all real life voting has some type of cause and effect that throws off the "real" results.  Also, dirty blonde/brunnette wasn't even an option in first round voting now that I think about it...

[IRMcGhee]

NM

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 18 août 2011 - 12:10 .

[Balek-Vriege]

IRMcGhee wrote...

Especially since you can vote for both if you like. I like the dirty blonde/brunette one best out of those, although I'll be using the same female Shepard as I have from the first game (the original default).

Although I really like my ME2 femshep (she uses Ashley's high-res complexion, which probably won't cross over), I'm going to be using new default for sure unless the character creation is revamped truly this time.  Not enough can be said about high res textures.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 18 août 2011 - 12:00 .

[Sylvianus]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

People vote for what they see and what they like. There are a variety of very true different colors, the conspiracy theory about two blonde has no substance.

You don't deny though that the way the new round of voting is set up that there is a bias, intentionally or not, for certain options to be more likely to win?

Not that almost all real life voting has some type of cause and effect that throws off the "real" results.  Also, dirty blonde/brunnette wasn't even an option in first round voting now that I think about it...

I don't see the problem with 4 choices. 32 000 votes for femshep// 5. If this indicated a large love for the blonde, people will continue to choose the blonde.

Remember that you have two choices. The blonde can be selected with another preference. If she has less than the others  it's because it pleases the least for now, not because there are two blondes who are besides different.

You can vote for both.

[Ophiskc]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I really like the Red hair especially now that I noticed she has freckles etc. (although green eyes are a bit too green. However I will say this:

When I heard the rumors of a new round of voting for hair colour the other day, I knew it would be much closer for a couple reasons:

1. "Voter turnout": The fact is the "election" is over. What we're having now is similar to a by-election or a run-off election somehow no one knows about. The news of a second poll won't reach as many as the first and a lot of people who may have voted in the first, won't in the second (assumption, we will see if that turns out to be true by final numbers).

2. "Voter passions": Obviously the pendulum is going to swing towards anti-blonde and/or pro-other hair colour, since they will be more motivated to get their way. As with many real world elections, votes swing the other way in by-elections where passions are strong (think US 2008 vs US 2010 elections).

Now since the new poll came out, I knew there was one fatal flaw that would kill Blonde Shep:

The dirty-blonde/blonde choices. For the poll to be truly fair (not that it matters right from because of the numbers right now), there would have been 6 options of hair with a light and dark tint for each colour. Something like:

Jet Black Hair
Lighter Black Hair
Light Blonde
Dirty Blonde
Red Hair
Light Red/Auburn Hair

Maybe replace lighter black option with white platinum hair or something. The fact is if those were done, it's fairly likely that Jet Black would come close or indead win the poll.

There's also another problem too: The fact we're voting on hair alone isn't true. We're also voting for Femshep 4 complexion/eye colour vs. other three options' identical faces. It could be argued, that Bioware split the blonde vote and added a few special tweaks to Femshep 4, so they get what they want by recreating a high res Jane Shepard.  Before voting started I knew that Red hair would be the first or second choice at least, because of that very reason.

There could indeed be... a conspiracy DUN DUN DUN!!!!

One that wasn't needed, because Red hair shep looks like its would win regardless.

Edits:  accidently posted before proof reading

I kind of agree with you, funny enough, when i saw in the first poll the dark skin Sheps with popstar/emo hair i through was just a manipulation to get people not to vote for them, without looking they're racist, just for the fact that white skin models have a bigger marketing success. As an art director myself, thats what i would have done

Now they put one with different face even when the #5 win in the first place. I wouldnt mind if she turn out redhead or another color, but the eye form change really disturb me, not even the color. The #5 eyes have a more agressive form and fits to Shep

[RPGamer13]

Number 4 and 6 looked way more aggressive than that number 5.

[Balek-Vriege]

Sylvianus wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

People vote for what they see and what they like. There are a variety of very true different colors, the conspiracy theory about two blonde has no substance.

You don't deny though that the way the new round of voting is set up that there is a bias, intentionally or not, for certain options to be more likely to win?

Not that almost all real life voting has some type of cause and effect that throws off the "real" results.  Also, dirty blonde/brunnette wasn't even an option in first round voting now that I think about it...

I don't see the problem with 4 choices. 32 000 votes for femshep// 5. If this indicated a large love for the blonde, people will continue to choose the blonde.

Remember that you have two choices. The blonde can be selected with another preference. If she has less than the others  it's because it pleases the least for now, not because there are two blondes who are besides different.

You can vote for both.

True and that's more representative and fair, but I think a lot of people will choose only one option, since many seem to pick which one they like best rather than the "ones" like like best.  Also remember much like certain democratic voting systems, that the guy picked most as "second place" can end up winning the election.  Same could be happening here.  This time red head Shep could be winning because many people like it best and even more importanly, like it second best.

[K_Tabris]

I'm just happy they are finally featuring FemShep (and rightly so!) on the cover. Who cares what her hair color is? And what was wrong with default FemShep?

[Nashiktal]

I never cared about the hair color, I just wanted a femshep that felt military. Femshep 1 actually looked like she was military, her hair was even shaved, no hair in her eyes.

But thats my personal taste, it was in the minority it seems.

[Balek-Vriege]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

I'm just happy they are finally featuring FemShep (and rightly so!) on the cover. Who cares what her hair color is? And what was wrong with default FemShep?

Since ME1 (including me), a lot of people were not only upset that Femshep wasn't used or really even mentioned in advertising, but she was also a half baked idea.  Maleshep got a high res face option and more realistic facial features for custom sheps.  Femsheps got a "default" which was just a different complexion and one hair slider off preset 1.  Not to mention a lot of the facial options for Femshep just make a really ugly mutant face.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 18 août 2011 - 12:10 .