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-Skorpious- wrote...

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Here we go again


In case I haven't made it clear, I am not trashing ME2's OST. It had its moments, but they were relatively few in number compared to ME's atmospheric vibes (in my opinion). 


Fair enough,  I love both OST's.  I loved ME 1 and it's OST but I am glad ME 2 wasn't an ME 1 clone and that neither was it's OST (though there were times in ME 2 where you did here certain themes from ME 1 and that was great)  I am hoping Mansell comes up with some original stuff for ME 3 but still uses stuff from the previous two games at the right moments.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Here we go again


Maybe you'd prefer more whining about BlondeShep, or another Collector Base decision thread?


I would prefer it if people appreciated both games.


You can't truly appreciate anything if you're unwilling to consider its flaws.

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Both soundtracks were okay. There were stand outs in each, but neither soundtrack was something I could really listen to for long periods of time. [Which isn't exactly a bad thing. I can't think of a single ME track that felt out of place for the situation it was in.] But as far as listening music goes? I never saw the direct appeal of either, at least in comparison to other game/film compositions.

Clint Mansell, on the other hand... even the horrible movies he's composed have music worth listening to. I am very excited to hear what he brings to the table.

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-Skorpious- wrote...

I always thought I was alone in thinking Arrival had the best soundtrack in the ME2 DLC's.


Not at all, I loved the Arrival soundtrack, it really has excellent moments. That parts of it made the situation feel far more desperate and distraught than the gameplay otherwise presented really is to it's credit.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Here we go again


Maybe you'd prefer more whining about BlondeShep, or another Collector Base decision thread?


I would prefer it if people appreciated both games.


People can't express their preference for either? :o

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I find the ME2 soundtrack more fun to listen to. While the Mass Effect soundtrack has its strong points, I find that most of the music is not lengthy or developed enough. The Illusive Man has a great theme, the DLC music is generally excellent, the Collector Base final assault has epic music (Infiltration is one of my favorites), and a lot of the characters' themes have different qualities to them that convey various elements of their character.

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I don't think that ME2's soundtrack is bad, I just think that ME1's music have more identity - the orchestral themes of ME2's soundtrack ends up sounding like every other orchestral themes out there while while ME 1's music seemed more..unique.

I know for sure that ME 1's soundtrack is the one of the two i will remember 20 years from now.

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marshalleck wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Here we go again


Maybe you'd prefer more whining about BlondeShep, or another Collector Base decision thread?



Blondeshep could care less about.  CB discussion,  I am always up for that.

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BSN folks frequently confuse me by their strange, hermit-like view of things.

The first Mass Effect soundtrack was OK. There were a few points of greatness - vigil's theme, for example - but it mostly ranged from forgettable to barely tolerable. It got grating at times. And at other times, it even had that silly overblown Hollywood feel -the very thing you're complaining about.

Mass Effect 2 was instantly more charming, atmospheric, and less overblown simply because it had a better soundtrack. It was an incredible upgrade. It was such a startling improvement, that listening to the original ME in your quarters is almost embarrassing, because I never realized how bad that soundtrack was until that moment.

The Suicide Mission, especially, is a track that is un-toppable by anything in ME1. When I felt the incredible glory of succeeding that final mission, I was literally pumping my fist and yelling "Hell yeah!", and the soundtrack was a big part of that feeling of glory.

In short: your tastes are bad and you should feel bad.

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LOL Kotaku!!

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Yeah I didn't care for ME2's new style too much. Sounded pretty much like every other Sci-Fi game out there. Not to say ME2 doesn't have some really good pieces (Suicide Mission, T.I.M., Normandy Reborn) but otherwise it lacks that atmosphere ME1 had. Music really is the soul of games and movies, and if you don't get that right then it just feels hollow. And when you do get it right it just makes the game that much memorable.

Although as a few others have pointed out Arrival does have a pretty good soundtrack. The continued use of similar themes would be a good move in my opinion going into ME3.

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I have faith in Mansell. I hope he tries to put the best from ME1 and ME2 and use that as inspiration for ME3.

My honest preference would him going into the compositions fitting ti to the aesthetics as opposed to making something derivitive just for the sake of having it "fit", especially considering the fact that the tones of the three games have been very different. Mass Effect's punch has always been in it's visual style if you ask me and after choosing to bring in someone as diverse as Mansell and force him to conform to another composers work.

With the exception of a few pieces that define the series(such as the galaxy map theme) I think Mansell's work should be all his own. Yes, there should be direction in terms of feel, but other than that, let the man work he knows what he's doing.

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UNATCO is one of the greatest tracks in videogame history. ME1 had one of the best soundtracks, and I spent days trying to find out what ME2's soundtrack would be like... I have absolute faith in Clint Mansell though, I'm a huge fan of Arnovsky's films (and Mansell always does his Soundtrack) and I think it will be epic... the only thing that made me sad was the end credits in ME2... no Faunts style epic song. I wish they got the faunts to write a cool track for ME3 credits... similar to M4 Pt. 2

also speaking of Deus Ex... the trailer song Icarus by Michael McCann is so epic I wish it were in every single game.

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Einz360 wrote...

UNATCO is one of the greatest tracks in videogame history. ME1 had one of the best soundtracks, and I spent days trying to find out what ME2's soundtrack would be like... I have absolute faith in Clint Mansell though, I'm a huge fan of Arnovsky's films (and Mansell always does his Soundtrack) and I think it will be epic... the only thing that made me sad was the end credits in ME2... no Faunts style epic song. I wish they got the faunts to write a cool track for ME3 credits... similar to M4 Pt. 2

also speaking of Deus Ex... the trailer song Icarus by Michael McCann is so epic I wish it were in every single game.

There's a chance that Miracle of Sound's new song The Normandy will be the end credits. It's actually gonna be revealed at Gamescom this week.

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Arrival's soundtrack is by far Mass Effect's best musical compilation.

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KingDan97 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I have faith in Mansell. I hope he tries to put the best from ME1 and ME2 and use that as inspiration for ME3.

My honest preference would him going into the compositions fitting ti to the aesthetics as opposed to making something derivitive just for the sake of having it "fit", especially considering the fact that the tones of the three games have been very different. Mass Effect's punch has always been in it's visual style if you ask me and after choosing to bring in someone as diverse as Mansell and force him to conform to another composers work.

With the exception of a few pieces that define the series(such as the galaxy map theme) I think Mansell's work should be all his own. Yes, there should be direction in terms of feel, but other than that, let the man work he knows what he's doing.


I don't think we have anything to worry about in this regard when it comes to Mansell. He excels at capturing the essence of each film he scores. "Derivative" is not a word I'd use to describe his work.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 août 2011 - 02:10 .


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Seriously, I think this is a great piece!


Modifié par bboynexus, 18 août 2011 - 02:12 .


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marshalleck wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I have faith in Mansell. I hope he tries to put the best from ME1 and ME2 and use that as inspiration for ME3.

My honest preference would him going into the compositions fitting ti to the aesthetics as opposed to making something derivitive just for the sake of having it "fit", especially considering the fact that the tones of the three games have been very different. Mass Effect's punch has always been in it's visual style if you ask me and after choosing to bring in someone as diverse as Mansell and force him to conform to another composers work.

With the exception of a few pieces that define the series(such as the galaxy map theme) I think Mansell's work should be all his own. Yes, there should be direction in terms of feel, but other than that, let the man work he knows what he's doing.


I don't think we have anything to worry about in this regard when it comes to Mansell. He excels at capturing the essence of each film he scores. 


What worries me about Mansell is that he never had any prior experience with composing music for video games. It's the same thing whenever I hear some big star writer from the film industry is going to write for a video game. I would generally love his screenwriting for films but in video games it doesn't fit with the platform he's using. 

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I'd argue it's hardly the same.

Bah! Get Sascha Dikiciyan and Cris Velasco to compose the whole damn game.

Modifié par bboynexus, 18 août 2011 - 02:15 .


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marshalleck wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I have faith in Mansell. I hope he tries to put the best from ME1 and ME2 and use that as inspiration for ME3.

My honest preference would him going into the compositions fitting ti to the aesthetics as opposed to making something derivitive just for the sake of having it "fit", especially considering the fact that the tones of the three games have been very different. Mass Effect's punch has always been in it's visual style if you ask me and after choosing to bring in someone as diverse as Mansell and force him to conform to another composers work.

With the exception of a few pieces that define the series(such as the galaxy map theme) I think Mansell's work should be all his own. Yes, there should be direction in terms of feel, but other than that, let the man work he knows what he's doing.


I don't think we have anything to worry about in this regard when it comes to Mansell. He excels at capturing the essence of each film he scores. "Derivative" is not a word I'd use to describe his work.

I'm not saying his work is derivative, sorry if that's what it came off as. I just don't want him to go into this worrying about having the right "sound" relative to anything but the current work he's scoring for. Let's have him focus on what he thinks ME3 should sound like not how he can interpret the sounds of mass effect 1+2 to fit what he thinks ME3 should sound like.

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IsaacShep wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

 Anbody else hope that Mansell will draw inspiration from ME's classic sci-fi samples rather than ME2's cinematic themes?

Watch Moon and you'll know what the music in ME3 will be like (hint: absolutely stellar) I'm not worried in a bit. Mansell's amazing!


Listen to this guy/gal.

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IsaacShep wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

 Anbody else hope that Mansell will draw inspiration from ME's classic sci-fi samples rather than ME2's cinematic themes?

Watch Moon and you'll know what the music in ME3 will be like (hint: absolutely stellar) I'm not worried in a bit. Mansell's amazing!


Mansell can definitely do that 80's style, similar to Moon.  The question is will he, and if so, what the overall quality will be.

Can't be much worse than Wall with ME2, quite honestly.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 18 août 2011 - 02:19 .


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The only problem I had with the ME2 soundtrack? No music for the Normandy. ME1 had it. I did like that ME1 was a little more unique as far as game soundtracks go, but I enjoyed alot of ME2's as much. *shrug*

I'm really interested to see how ME3 does. :happy:

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KingDan97 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I have faith in Mansell. I hope he tries to put the best from ME1 and ME2 and use that as inspiration for ME3.

My honest preference would him going into the compositions fitting ti to the aesthetics as opposed to making something derivitive just for the sake of having it "fit", especially considering the fact that the tones of the three games have been very different. Mass Effect's punch has always been in it's visual style if you ask me and after choosing to bring in someone as diverse as Mansell and force him to conform to another composers work.

With the exception of a few pieces that define the series(such as the galaxy map theme) I think Mansell's work should be all his own. Yes, there should be direction in terms of feel, but other than that, let the man work he knows what he's doing.


I don't think we have anything to worry about in this regard when it comes to Mansell. He excels at capturing the essence of each film he scores. "Derivative" is not a word I'd use to describe his work.

I'm not saying his work is derivative, sorry if that's what it came off as. I just don't want him to go into this worrying about having the right "sound" relative to anything but the current work he's scoring for. Let's have him focus on what he thinks ME3 should sound like not how he can interpret the sounds of mass effect 1+2 to fit what he thinks ME3 should sound like.

Re: bold text, you didn't come off like that at all! I only meant to express my belief that Clint Mansell really doesn't do "derivative." While I imagine he will incorporate some of the older, staple musical themes (Normandy, Vigil, the galaxy map, etc.) I very strongly doubt he will feel at all compelled to merely copy someone else's style. 

ME3 OST should be amazing, and stand apart from the other two games, while still clearly identifying as Mass Effect.

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Chaos-fusion wrote...

The only problem I had with the ME2 soundtrack? No music for the Normandy. ME1 had it. I did like that ME1 was a little more unique as far as game soundtracks go, but I enjoyed alot of ME2's as much. *shrug*

I'm really interested to see how ME3 does. :happy:



I actualy preferred the Normandy without the music I felt like I was actually on a ship.  Best case scenario would be the option to turn it on or off just like in Shepard's quarters but for the whole ship.