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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

Garrus is a good Cerberus blood brother for giving them the Thanix schematics.

Ok I normally don't come in on one of your little "Cerberus butt brother" or w/e

But he gave those plans to Shepard,not Cerberus.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 18 août 2011 - 03:31 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...
a fleet of vorcha

The frak is a fleet of vorcha?

[marshalleck]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
a fleet of vorcha

The frak is a fleet of vorcha?

Your worst nightmare.

[SandTrout]

Seboist wrote...

Garrus is a good Cerberus blood brother for giving them the Thanix schematics.

He's not a blood-brother with anyone but Shepard. He's just not so naive to not be able to see that the big picture of the Reaper threat trumps anything Cerberus might do.

[JGDD]

SandTrout wrote...

While I agree that carriers w/ thanix armed fighters will likely be more effective against Reapers than main-line vessels, they probably will not be a cure-all. Note that the Reapers do have smaller versions of the Thanix than the heavy-duty leg mounted ones. I am of course referring to the Reaper that takes out 2 Kodiak style shuttles in the trailer. This does not negate the practicality of fighter swarms b/c the Reapers apparently have limited numbers of these fast-recharge weapons, but the Reapers are not defenseless.

If you watch the Shepard/Anderson demo video you also will see an Oculus taking out a shuttle. Swarms of them released from just one reaper can could probably raise all sorts of havoc with unshielded vehicles.

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
a fleet of vorcha

The frak is a fleet of vorcha?

Your worst nightmare.

Sorry, Marsh, but that sounds more like a pipe-dream.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
a fleet of vorcha

The frak is a fleet of vorcha?

Your worst nightmare.

Turian make us stronger,YOU DIE! GRAAAAAH!

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Garrus is a good Cerberus blood brother for giving them the Thanix schematics.

He's not a blood-brother with anyone but Shepard. He's just not so naive to not be able to see that the big picture of the Reaper threat trumps anything Cerberus might do.

And wouldn't call it quite like that, although I think it does play a part in it.  I think he trusts enough in Shepard to make the right decisions, and to use his information for the right reasons (as in NOT turning around and obliterating him).

That and he does call himself a "bad" Turian -- maybe he doesn't think that sharing top-secret weapons technology is such a bad thing?

[SandTrout]

@Sisterofshane,

I was actually thinking about that 'bad Turian' line, and I think it does actually play into it, but in a positive way in that Garrus isn't unreasonably bound in his actions.

[Seboist]

SandTrout wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Garrus is a good Cerberus blood brother for giving them the Thanix schematics.

He's not a blood-brother with anyone but Shepard. He's just not so naive to not be able to see that the big picture of the Reaper threat trumps anything Cerberus might do.

Garrus talked about how he wished they'd have worked with them sooner and my Shepard approved of that statement.

He's clearly has humanity's interests at heart unlike the VS. He's an honorary human in my book.

[marshalleck]

HomelessGal wrote...

Though the trade-off is that Garrus is incredibly brash and short-sighted.

Garrus is good people. So is his evil twin Barrus.

But before this spins off into yet another Cerberus thread, is there any other way that the Systems Alliance could get access to thanix technology? Let's assume for the question that Shepard didn't ask Garrus to upgrade the Normandy, so the Alliance wouldn't have discovered it upon impounding the Normandy and reviewing her systems, and it couldn't have been leaked to any Cerberus operatives.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 août 2011 - 03:41 .

[Seboist]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
a fleet of vorcha

The frak is a fleet of vorcha?

Your worst nightmare.

True, the action in Mordin's recruitment mission was just a taste of what's to come. There's going to be a lot of necks swinging from nooses when the Vorcha go on the warpath.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Garrus is a good Cerberus blood brother for giving them the Thanix schematics.

He's not a blood-brother with anyone but Shepard. He's just not so naive to not be able to see that the big picture of the Reaper threat trumps anything Cerberus might do.

Garrus talked about how he wished they'd have worked with them sooner and my Shepard approved of that statement.

He's clearly has humanity's interests at heart unlike the VS. He's an honorary human in my book.

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[SandTrout]

Seboist wrote...

Garrus talked about how he wished they'd have worked with them sooner and my Shepard approved of that statement.

He's clearly has humanity's interests at heart unlike the VS. He's an honorary human in my book.

He was clearly joking about wanting join up sooner. The fact that he can joke about it puts him leagues above the VS, IMO, though.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

Though the trade-off is that Garrus is incredibly brash and short-sighted.

Garrus is good people. So is his evil twin Barrus.

But before this spins off into yet another Cerberus thread, is there any other way that the Systems Alliance could get access to thanix technology? Let's assume for the question that Shepard didn't ask Garrus to upgrade the Normandy, so the Alliance wouldn't have discovered it upon impounding the Normandy and reviewing her systems.

Maybe the turians are like the USA,and give "watered down" version of their tech to their allies,though I suppose they wouldn't be obligated to since they aren't allies in any "official" sense...


Or an even easier way,they just asked Garrus or Garrus volunteered the info.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 18 août 2011 - 03:44 .

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

But before this spins off into yet another Cerberus thread, is there any other way that the Systems Alliance could get access to thanix technology? Let's assume for the question that Shepard didn't ask Garrus to upgrade the Normandy, so the Alliance wouldn't have discovered it upon impounding the Normandy and reviewing her systems, and it couldn't have been leaked to any Cerberus operatives.

The Turians and Alliance cooperated on making the Normandy, so I wouldn't put it past them to cooperate and share the Thanix tech in the face of the Reapers. Honestly, I always considered the Turians as the allies that almost were.

[marshalleck]

I'm assuming the bit about turians escalating an arms race only plays if the old Council died? Or does it play regardless? I know if the Council is saved, there's talk of the turians paying additional reparations to the human families of victims of the First Contact War.

[Ramus Quaritch]

It'd be nice to see carriers. They usually are the flagships and single most valuable vessels in fleets (from my understanding). I'd love to see Admiral Hackett kick ass from one of those.

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

I'm assuming the bit about turians escalating an arms race only plays if the old Council died? Or does it play regardless? I know if the Council is saved, there's talk of the turians paying additional reparations to the human families of victims of the First Contact War.

I think the arms race is specifically a result of the death of the ME1 council.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

I'm assuming the bit about turians escalating an arms race only plays if the old Council died? Or does it play regardless? I know if the Council is saved, there's talk of the turians paying additional reparations to the human families of victims of the First Contact War.

Yeah,that willingness to still work with humans might imply they help with other tech past just the Normandy...if you saved the council,if not turians just hate you,your face,and your friends faces.

[Rahmiel]

marshalleck wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

Though the trade-off is that Garrus is incredibly brash and short-sighted.

Garrus is good people. So is his evil twin Barrus.

But before this spins off into yet another Cerberus thread, is there any other way that the Systems Alliance could get access to thanix technology? Let's assume for the question that Shepard didn't ask Garrus to upgrade the Normandy, so the Alliance wouldn't have discovered it upon impounding the Normandy and reviewing her systems, and it couldn't have been leaked to any Cerberus operatives.

I don't think anywhere else in the game or books is Thanix Cannon technology mentioned.  However, it's not exactly implausible to assume the SA spies on the other races.  So that's always an out they can take.

As for the war time economy someone mentioned earlier.. that's a possibility.  But how many fighters can they make while the Reapers are tearing up other parts of the galaxy on their way to you?  It's highly likely they know where they're going, and I'm sure they'll attack and block shipyards.  I will concede that it's easier to build a whole host of fighters than retrofit or building new capital ships.

The other problem you'll run into, is finding pilots for all these fighters, assuming you can even make a lot of fighters!  Where are all the reservists?  Earth?

And the final problem with fighters.. what if the Reapers attack a carrier and blow it up before they can launch their fighters?  As I concede above, it's easier to build/retrofit fighters than doing the same to capital ships.  Which means, the fighters' greatest weakness may be the horse they ride in on.

[marshalleck]

SandTrout wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I'm assuming the bit about turians escalating an arms race only plays if the old Council died? Or does it play regardless? I know if the Council is saved, there's talk of the turians paying additional reparations to the human families of victims of the First Contact War.

I think the arms race is specifically a result of the death of the ME1 council.

Yes, I think so too. I know if the Council dies and the DA destroyed, the asari withdraw their fleets and cede their share of dreadnought construction to the turians. 

Which raises interesting legal questions in itself, but that's another thread.