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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Michel1986 wrote...

Anyone care to explain what CIC means ??? i also did not understand it in Mass Effect 2 when Joker said that.

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[Reptillius]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Face one fact: The Normandy without Shepard in command would be like watching Kirk take orders from Spock. And Shepard being outranked by the VS among the SPECTREs? It is not happening.

And didn't the SA even bother to ask Garrus about the Thanix cannon? Like, "Garrus, can you get us another Thanix cannon?" "I suppose I could but what about Shepard?"
"Shepard's on trial."
"Pardon Shepard or no deal."

Garrus only got them the knowledge of how to make them. Not one of the actual cannons themselves...  The Alliance is more than capable of figuring out how to build more.

[Last Vizard]

rapscallioness wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Hmmm. Well, when the Reapers invade, all hell breaks loose. Nobody's gonna be thinking abt. Cerberus vs Alliance at that particular moment.

The squad according to BW goes in different directions after Shepard is....arrested? They're off doing their own thing. I've heard Shep is in this mess from 2-6 months. idk which is true. So, what abt the crew?

Did they stay? Did Shepard drop off the squad somewhere...but then why not the actual crew? Unless, the Normandy got apprehended b4 they got the chance.

If the crew, or even some of the sr2 crew got caught w/ Shepard and were arrested (speculating), there's a good chance that they're being held in an area and Shep in a separate area.

When the Reapers drop, Anderson goes to get Shep and the VS goes to get watever crew they can assemble in such a situation and beat a path to the unfinished Normandy.

Edit: oh, btw, if the Vs is a Spectre now, there's a good chance they could be sent to bring the rogue Spectre Shepard in...or if you didn't reinstate..they're just bringing down a huge perceived threat...Shepard. 

That would be awkward.

So after minning every world to depletion (thought it might be funny considering the reapers would be like "WTF")..... all upgrades are gone? one weapon that might hurt the Reapers "thanax cannon" is gone at the very start of the invasion? not to mention cyclone field generators and other gadgets...

prepare for rage in six months devs.

LOL...the would be funny. The Reapers would like "These friggin' organics!"  But as far as upgrades...pfft. Who knows wats gonna be there and wats not. Casey did say something abt. the Normandy being unfinished when Reapers hit. To wat degree of unfinished..who can say. And really, how useful will those upgrades be against Reapers. They did okay against a Collector ship, but we may need a bigger boot.

I think the point of the Thanax cannon is that its a slow moving stream of superheated metal that passes through mass effect fields and burns through the hull.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Reptillius wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Face one fact: The Normandy without Shepard in command would be like watching Kirk take orders from Spock. And Shepard being outranked by the VS among the SPECTREs? It is not happening.

And didn't the SA even bother to ask Garrus about the Thanix cannon? Like, "Garrus, can you get us another  tell us how to make a Thanix cannon?"
"I suppose I could but what about Shepard?"
"Shepard's on trial."
"Pardon Shepard or no deal."

Garrus only got them the knowledge of how to make them. Not one of the actual cannons themselves...  The Alliance is more than capable of figuring out how to build more.

Corrected. Same point though. I think the problem is that EDI is still bound by Cerberus programming and probably is relaying info to TIM. Joker loses his leather seat because there was a surveillance device in it.

[1136342t54_]

Last Vizard wrote...
I think the point of the Thanax cannon is that its a slow moving stream of superheated metal that passes through mass effect fields and burns through the hull.

Actually the Thanix cannons fires a stream of superheated tungsten at a fraction of the speed of light.

[1136342t54_]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Corrected. Same point though. I think the problem is that EDI is still bound by Cerberus programming and probably is relaying info to TIM. Joker loses his leather seat because there was a surveillance device in it.

That isn't likely. Without the Cerberus blocks EDI could easily override that and block any info being sent to the Illusive Man.

[HogarthHughes 3]

What would the Cerberus crew need a pardon for?  Being a part of Cerberus?  Would they really have been so stupid as to join Cerberus without at least finding out that it has been branded a terrorist organization by both the Alliance and Council?  The crew joined Cerberus of their own volition, I don't see why they would suddenly want to turn over the Normandy in an attempt to be pardoned.   Unless it has to do with Arrival, but I thought only Shepard was to be held accountable for that.

If the Alliance does just commandeer the Normandy during the trial (which shouldn't be an option in the first place, Shepard could board an alternate ship in order to lessen the risk of this happening), then I hope Shepard can become disloyal (i.e. perhaps leaving the Alliance at some point in the game).

I do not understand this "stripped of rank stuff" either.  Shepard shouldn't have any rank in the Alliance, the "Commander" moniker was just something that has stuck with Shepard.  As with his/her Spectre status, Shepards official rank in the Alliance died with him/her.  Shepard isn't even a Private anymore from the moment of resurrection to the end of ME2.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 20 août 2011 - 02:17 .

[1136342t54_]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

What would the Cerberus crew need a pardon for?  Being a part of Cerberus?  Would they really have been so stupid as to join Cerberus without at least finding out that it has been branded a terrorist organization by both the Alliance and Council?  The crew joined Cerberus of their own volition, I don't see why they would suddenly want to turn over the Normandy in an attempt to be pardoned.   Unless it has to do with Arrival, but I thought only Shepard was to be held accountable for that.

They mostly joined Cerberus because they seemed like the only group that was doing anything about the Reapers. It seemed Cerberus was using Shepard as a way to recruit others. Shepard was likely forced to give up his crew and ship.

If the Alliance does just commandeer the Normandy during the trial (which shouldn't be an option in the first place, Shepard could board an alternate ship in order to lessen the risk of this happening), then I hope Shepard can become disloyal (i.e. perhaps leaving the Alliance at some point in the game).

Again the Normandy SR2 is essentially Alliance property. Cerberus used classified info gained from the construction of the Normandy to build the Normandy SR2. Shepard was likely forced to give the ship up as a part of the trial.

I do not understand this "stripped of rank stuff" either.  Shepard shouldn't have any rank in the Alliance, the "Commander" moniker was just something that has stuck with Shepard.  As with his/her Spectre status, Shepards official rank in the Alliance died with him/her.  Shepard isn't even a Private anymore from the moment of resurrection to the end of ME2.

Shepard never truly left the Alliance Military. Even Admiral Hackett will say Commander Shepard is essentially part of the Alliance Military and Citadel Spectres. If he was soley a spectre they never would have let him keep the ship.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Normandy is a civilian vessel,the SA can tinker about all they want,but it's Shepard's ship.

Unless he is tried AND convicted,they can't take it and say its an SA ship,if he volunteers her to the SA as a show of good faith or w/e that's a different story.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 20 août 2011 - 02:36 .

[AquamanOS]

Why would they want a pardon for being Cerberus? So they can keep fighting the good fight against the Reapers. They weren't really Cerberus loyal (humanity first, no matter the cost) so must as Alliance crew that lost faith after they dismissed Shepard and wanted to help Shep out, and colonists who wanted to stop the Collectors to protect their families. Cerberus was fighting Collectors/Reapers so like Shepard it was an alliance of convienience.

But now the situations reversed. The Alliance is taking the fight to the Reapers, while Cerberus is activly opposing those who would fight them. Natrually they'd want to go to the Alliance and quit Cerberus.


As for the Normandy, it's still an Alliance/Turian military design regardless of who actually constructed it. So of course they'd claim it belongs to them.

If I built an SR 71 Blackbird for my personal use out of stolen government plans, you think the miltary wouldn't claim it should belong to them?

Modifié par AquamanOS, 20 août 2011 - 02:41 .

[didymos1120]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Normandy is a civilian vessel,the SA can tinker about all they want,but it's Shepard's ship.

Um, no, it's a ship that Cerberus built using stolen state secrets.  So, here, tell you what: you go steal all the info needed to build an F-22 Raptor and build your own.  You think the US gov't is just gonna be cool with that because you paid for the materials?  Good luck with that. 

Oh, and the fact is that at the end of ME2, Shep basically stole the SR-2 from Cerberus.  In general, the law tends to not recognize a person as having a title to stolen goods.

ETA:  ninja'd

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 août 2011 - 02:42 .

[Someone With Mass]

I've heard that the Normandy receives some upgrades/modifications from the Alliance while Shepard is on the trial, so it might just be good.

[HogarthHughes 3]

1136342t54 wrote...

They mostly joined Cerberus because they seemed like the only group that was doing anything about the Reapers. It seemed Cerberus was using Shepard as a way to recruit others. Shepard was likely forced to give up his crew and ship.

Again the Normandy SR2 is essentially Alliance property. Cerberus used classified info gained from the construction of the Normandy to build the Normandy SR2. Shepard was likely forced to give the ship up as a part of the trial.

All the same, Shepard was allowed to have it all of ME2.  Now that Shepard is to be on trial, the Alliance wants the SR2 under their control?  I would think that Shepard could just be dropped off somewhere near Earth and then take a different ship (or be picked up by the Alliance).  Its looking like you're right though, again I hope Shepard can take offense to this.  Sure, Shepard should be held accountable for his/her actions and perhaps be condemned to death or imprisonment.  However that doesn't mean that he/she should turn the Normandy over to the Alliance, they don't deserve it.

Shepard never truly left the Alliance Military. Even Admiral Hackett will say Commander Shepard is essentially part of the Alliance Military and Citadel Spectres. If he was soley a spectre they never would have let him keep the ship.

Since when?  The only contact Shepard has with the Alliance in ME2 is with the VS, Anderson, Hackett, and perhaps a message from Hannah Shepard.  I don't recall orders of any kind being given to Shepard by any of them, Hacketts mission is a "personal favor" even.  For all intents and purposes Shepard is with Cerberus for ME2 (at least until the end).  Shepard was only allowed to wander around as he/she pleased (mostly in areas outside Alliance/Council control mind you) because of people like Hackett and Anderson who advocated for Shepard.

[el master pr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I've heard that the Normandy receives some upgrades/modifications from the Alliance while Shepard is on the trial, so it might just be good.

It might be bad too. No-Captain's-Quarters bad! Unless it's been announced and I missed it.

[Doriath666]

For the Alliance or a VS to take control or detirmine what happens on the normandy theyll have to kill my shep first.Id gladly introduce all of them to the airlock.

[Someone With Mass]

el master pr wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I've heard that the Normandy receives some upgrades/modifications from the Alliance while Shepard is on the trial, so it might just be good.

It might be bad too. No-Captain's-Quarters bad! Unless it's been announced and I missed it.

Nah, I think it's still there. The observation decks can go, though. The windows are structural weaknesses.

[HogarthHughes 3]

AquamanOS wrote...

Why would they want a pardon for being Cerberus? So they can keep fighting the good fight against the Reapers. They weren't really Cerberus loyal (humanity first, no matter the cost) so must as Alliance crew that lost faith after they dismissed Shepard and wanted to help Shep out, and colonists who wanted to stop the Collectors to protect their families. Cerberus was fighting Collectors/Reapers so like Shepard it was an alliance of convienience.

But now the situations reversed. The Alliance is taking the fight to the Reapers, while Cerberus is activly opposing those who would fight them. Natrually they'd want to go to the Alliance and quit Cerberus.


As for the Normandy, it's still an Alliance/Turian military design regardless of who actually constructed it. So of course they'd claim it belongs to them.

If I built an SR 71 Blackbird for my personal use out of stolen government plans, you think the miltary wouldn't claim it should belong to them?

When does Cerberus' apparent change of heart occur though?  Do they become pro-Reaper before the trial in the few months that the players don't see?  I don't know of any information on the subject, by the time Shepard is fighting Cerberus in ME3 the trial has come and gone.  If there is no knowledge of Cerberus aiding the Reapers before or during the trial, then it makes no sense for the SR2 crew to want to join the Alliance (again for some).  Unless perhaps Shepard wants to or something, but not all Shepards want that I would hope (roleplaying options).

[Someone With Mass]

They could just replace the Cerberus crew.

[rapscallioness]

Last Vizard wrote...

I think the point of the Thanax cannon is that its a slow moving stream of superheated metal that passes through mass effect fields and burns through the hull.

Yeah. no sh*t. the real point is that they can always come up w/ something better. And how boring it would be if we couldn't equip the ship w/ something better. Or at least mod it.

besides which, ur gonna get to keep the upgrades AND some Alliance tweaks. Also as I said b4 "unfinished" may have nothing to do w/ upgrades at all.


Edit: "Actually the Thanix cannons fires a stream of superheated tungsten at a fraction of the speed of light." from @113.......   thanx for the clarification:wizard:   

Modifié par rapscallioness, 20 août 2011 - 03:09 .

[didymos1120]

Doriath666 wrote...

For the Alliance or a VS to take control or detirmine what happens on the normandy theyll have to kill my shep first.Id gladly introduce all of them to the airlock.

You'll do whatever the game allows you to, and I highly doubt a summary execution via airlock option will be on the dialogue wheel.  And the fact is, the Alliance already has taken control of the Normandy. The devs have made that clear on multiple occassions. Or didn't you notice the new paint job?

[1136342t54_]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

All the same, Shepard was allowed to have it all of ME2.  Now that Shepard is to be on trial, the Alliance wants the SR2 under their control?  I would think that Shepard could just be dropped off somewhere near Earth and then take a different ship (or be picked up by the Alliance).  Its looking like you're right though, again I hope Shepard can take offense to this.  Sure, Shepard should be held accountable for his/her actions and perhaps be condemned to death or imprisonment.  However that doesn't mean that he/she should turn the Normandy over to the Alliance, they don't deserve it.

Most of the Alliance didn't even know shepard was alive. Even throughout ME2 only the Council and a Hackett really knew about Shepard's existence although I'm sure the VS report would tell the Alliance about it. I'm sure the Alliance wanted the Normandy back but try and find a vessel that is very good at using stealth while having one of your top Admirals (Hackett) and a Councilor or Alliance Admiral (Anderson) is trying to cover for it.

Since when?  The only contact Shepard has with the Alliance in ME2 is with the VS, Anderson, Hackett, and perhaps a message from Hannah Shepard.  I don't recall orders of any kind being given to Shepard by any of them, Hacketts mission is a "personal favor" even.  For all intents and purposes Shepard is with Cerberus for ME2 (at least until the end).  Shepard was only allowed to wander around as he/she pleased (mostly in areas outside Alliance/Council control mind you) because of people like Hackett and Anderson who advocated for Shepard.

While Shepard is alive he is still Alliance. You could say because he died he isn't commited to the Alliance but the Alliance, Council and especially the Batarians won't see it that way. Shepard is too popular and its a small argument to use during a trial that won't fly or make anyone fill better. He has to be tried by someone and the group Shep has the closest relationship to is the SA.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

It doesn't matter who says they own the ship and what paint job they give the ship the Normandy has always been Shepard's. Once Anderson gives us our rank back and we board the Normandy she's ours again end of story. She's ours to do with in whatever way we see fit to stop the Reapers.

I'm sure there isn't going to be an airlock option for someone questioning Shepard's authority but I'm sure there would be a punch to the face option if the VS tries to second guess Shepard again in the middle of the largest most important war in galactic history.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Doriath666 wrote...

For the Alliance or a VS to take control or detirmine what happens on the normandy theyll have to kill my shep first.Id gladly introduce all of them to the airlock.

You'll do whatever the game allows you to, and I highly doubt a summary execution via airlock option will be on the dialogue wheel.  And the fact is, the Alliance already has taken control of the Normandy. The devs have made that clear on multiple occassions. Or didn't you notice the new paint job?

Just to point it out:

[The Interloper]

Aren't most of the cerebus crew ex alliance who joined specifically to crew the new normandy?

[el master pr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

el master pr wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I've heard that the Normandy receives some upgrades/modifications from the Alliance while Shepard is on the trial, so it might just be good.

It might be bad too. No-Captain's-Quarters bad! Unless it's been announced and I missed it.

Nah, I think it's still there. The observation decks can go, though. The windows are structural weaknesses.

If the observations deck go, no more Lounge/Bar. 

BW did say the SA would be opening new areas, but nothing about closing or eliminating stuff. In fact, it'd be no surprise to find it practically unchanged. After all, Cerberus knows how to built vessels.