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[el master pr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Doriath666 wrote...

For the Alliance or a VS to take control or detirmine what happens on the normandy theyll have to kill my shep first.Id gladly introduce all of them to the airlock.

You'll do whatever the game allows you to, and I highly doubt a summary execution via airlock option will be on the dialogue wheel.  And the fact is, the Alliance already has taken control of the Normandy. The devs have made that clear on multiple occassions. Or didn't you notice the new paint job?

Just to point it out:

Next thing, they're stamping an SA symbol on Shep's ass.

I'm really not anti-Alliance, but I think they've been a little bit unsupportive towards Shepard since ME1. I mean, would they have given you the Normandy if the Council had not made him Spectre? All of its actions have been to save face, and the only ones brave enough to vocally defend Shepard are fired or pushed aside. F*** bureaucracy!

[Jayce]

Not too sure on the reversing of the hull colors and swapping the yellow flashes for Alliance symbols.

Couldn't they just replace the yellow Cerberus markings for red highlights like on the SR1 and leave the rest of the hull paint alone?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

didymos1120 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Normandy is a civilian vessel,the SA can tinker about all they want,but it's Shepard's ship.

Um, no, it's a ship that Cerberus built using stolen state secrets.  So, here, tell you what: you go steal all the info needed to build an F-22 Raptor and build your own.  You think the US gov't is just gonna be cool with that because you paid for the materials?  Good luck with that. 

Oh, and the fact is that at the end of ME2, Shep basically stole the SR-2 from Cerberus.  In general, the law tends to not recognize a person as having a title to stolen goods.

ETA:  ninja'd

I wouldn't be stealing from The US government,I'd be stealing from Lockheed Martin.


Cerberus didn't steal anything,they were involved in the construction of the original Normandy,SR-2 is a knock-off at best,they could sue the f--k out of Cerberus,but it isn't a stolen design,just a copied one.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 20 août 2011 - 03:22 .

[Ryzaki]

As long as my Shepard has a "F*ck all of you I'm leaving." ending where he can steal the Normandy I don't care what paint the alliance throws on it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Doriath666 wrote...

For the Alliance or a VS to take control or detirmine what happens on the normandy theyll have to kill my shep first.Id gladly introduce all of them to the airlock.

You'll do whatever the game allows you to, and I highly doubt a summary execution via airlock option will be on the dialogue wheel.  And the fact is, the Alliance already has taken control of the Normandy. The devs have made that clear on multiple occassions. Or didn't you notice the new paint job?

Just to point it out:

Aww,as much as I hate the blatant Ferrari-esque branding of Cerberus,the old SR-2 ranked among the coolest looking star ships ever.

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
I wouldn't be stealing from The US government,I'd be stealing from Lockheed Martin.


Cerberus didn't steal anything,they were involved in the construction of the original Normandy,SR-2 is a knock-off at best,they could sue the f--k out of Cerberus,but it isn't a stolen design,just a copied one.

When it's copied without their authorization, I'm pretty sure it's stolen.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Ryzaki wrote...

As long as my Shepard has a "F*ck all of you I'm leaving." ending where he can steal the Normandy I don't care what paint the alliance throws on it.

Steal Normandy+go pirating with my pirate queen Jack:devil:

[HogarthHughes 3]

1136342t54 wrote...

Most of the Alliance didn't even know shepard was alive. Even throughout ME2 only the Council and a Hackett really knew about Shepard's existence although I'm sure the VS report would tell the Alliance about it. I'm sure the Alliance wanted the Normandy back but try and find a vessel that is very good at using stealth while having one of your top Admirals (Hackett) and a Councilor or Alliance Admiral (Anderson) is trying to cover for it.

Likely many other Alliance Admirals would want Normandy technology back under their control.  Still, why would they be willing to trust Shepard with it again if they took it away from him/her in the first place?  Because the whole "Reaper" thing turns out to be real, thus justifying Shepards apparent destruction of a solar system?

While Shepard is alive he is still Alliance. You could say because he died he isn't commited to the Alliance but the Alliance, Council and especially the Batarians won't see it that way. Shepard is too popular and its a small argument to use during a trial that won't fly or make anyone fill better. He has to be tried by someone and the group Shep has the closest relationship to is the SA.

Shepard isn't officially a part of the Alliance when he/she is brought back to life.  Members of the Alliance want to detain and question him/her, but Admiral Hackett apparently doesn't allow it.  It is simply assumed that Shepard went awol for two years, that alone is enough for Shepard to be stripped of any rank.  If Shepard is to have any rank in the Alliance after ME2, it is because he/she is reinstated.  Of course Shepard should be put on trial by the Alliance; Shepard is a human, not to mention a former Alliance marine.  Given Shepards previous relations with them it makes sense that the Batarians would blame the Alliance for Shepards deeds.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
I wouldn't be stealing from The US government,I'd be stealing from Lockheed Martin.


Cerberus didn't steal anything,they were involved in the construction of the original Normandy,SR-2 is a knock-off at best,they could sue the f--k out of Cerberus,but it isn't a stolen design,just a copied one.

When it's copied without their authorization, I'm pretty sure it's stolen.

If you and I made a car,and I left the design team afterward and made a bigger faster better version of the car,while incorporating only the basic concepts of said car,at best all you could do is sue me.


Other then that think what you will,I'm not zulu and I'm not gonna type a ~50 paragraph lecture to spell it out.

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
If you and I made a car,and I left the design team afterward and made a bigger faster better version of the car,while incorporating only the basic concepts of said car,at best all you could do is sue me.


Other then that think what you will,I'm not zulu and I'm not gonna type a ~50 paragraph lecture to spell it out.

Even so, I don't think the Alliance wants to leave a stealth ship in the hands of paramilitary extremists.

[Jayce]

Eh....



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Modifié par Jayce F, 20 août 2011 - 03:33 .

[rapscallioness]

The Alliance does take the Normandy. I can't see Shepard handing it over. Handing it over to be inspected is one thing, but the Alliance takes it apart. That tells me that Shepard's time w/ this trial isn't some old friend coming in for a chat...just to clear things up w/ the Alliance.

When you get arrested they can and will take all your stuff. If you're "driving" at the time, they will impound your ride (Normandy) until a judgment.

But if you're perceived as a terrorist. They will take it, and consider it theirs as part of the investigation. Looking to find more evidence.

To me, the Alliance taking the Normandy and doing what they will w/ it, is not a good sign for how they're planning on treating Shepard. Whether, or not it was going to belong to the VS when they were done...it would make sense since they're the new Spectre.

Even if they were tho, that was b4 the Reapers showed up. With the Normandy being unfinished, they prolly didn't officially assign it to the VS yet. Maybe they were going to do that when it was done, but now that the Reapers have shown up and proven Shepard right w/ a vengeance, none of that matters. You could also say that technically the Normandy still belongs to Shepard to command.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
If you and I made a car,and I left the design team afterward and made a bigger faster better version of the car,while incorporating only the basic concepts of said car,at best all you could do is sue me.


Other then that think what you will,I'm not zulu and I'm not gonna type a ~50 paragraph lecture to spell it out.

Even so, I don't think the Alliance wants to leave a stealth ship in the hands of paramilitary extremists.

I wasn't arguing that,just that the ship herself is not SA property just because it resembles the original,by all means take it away from Cerberus.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

rapscallioness wrote...

The Alliance does take the Normandy. I can't see Shepard handing it over. Handing it over to be inspected is one thing, but the Alliance takes it apart. That tells me that Shepard's time w/ this trial isn't some old friend coming in for a chat...just to clear things up w/ the Alliance.

When you get arrested they can and will take all your stuff. If you're "driving" at the time, they will impound your ride (Normandy) until a judgment.

But if you're perceived as a terrorist. They will take it, and consider it theirs as part of the investigation. Looking to find more evidence.

To me, the Alliance taking the Normandy and doing what they will w/ it, is not a good sign for how they're planning on treating Shepard. Whether, or not it was going to belong to the VS when they were done...it would make sense since they're the new Spectre.

Even if they were tho, that was b4 the Reapers showed up. With the Normandy being unfinished, they prolly didn't officially assign it to the VS yet. Maybe they were going to do that when it was done, but now that the Reapers have shown up and proven Shepard right w/ a vengeance, none of that matters. You could also say that technically the Normandy still belongs to Shepard to command.

What I'm getting from this is

If the police impound a Lamborghini,they can search it and take it apart,and then assign it to an officer...


In combat you can commandeer a vehicle for your side at your leisure,but there isn't a declaration of war against cerberus as far as I know...

[rapscallioness]

God, i do hope they don't mess w/ my captains cabin and my stuff...grrr. I wanna a bar/lounge that actually...has ppl in it sometimes. Not just a bunch of squaddies laid up here and there like a traveling band of gypsies.

They said that as Shepard escapes to the Normandy Anderson throws Shepard's dog tags back and says, "Consider yourself reinstated!"

It's interesting that the Alliance, even if it's Anderson, is now in possession of your very dog tags that Shepard got back from Liara. I had them sitting on my desk.....so they rifled all thru my stuff. Heck, i wonder if they saw my pic of Kaidan still up.....oy...facepalm..that's not good.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I like us being back in the Alliance but as for VS using MY ship for their spector as their own for their spector business they don't get to commandeer a ship I didn't give up. It may've been stolen by the Alliance once they arrestd me that doesn't make it theirs so if they feel that way I'm setting them straight and if they don't like it I'm a spector too for one and for two they'll be booted off my ship if they can't stay out of my way.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Humanoid your analogy is a little flawed. Let me make up my own and I think you'll find that it fits better.

If you help to design a military ship and then leave to become a terrorist than you give up your legal claim to the design. Also that military ship and its designs are most likely legally the SA and the Turian's. You no longer being a part of the SA means that you have no right to use those designs.

[HogarthHughes 3]

rapscallioness wrote...

The Alliance does take the Normandy. I can't see Shepard handing it over. Handing it over to be inspected is one thing, but the Alliance takes it apart. That tells me that Shepard's time w/ this trial isn't some old friend coming in for a chat...just to clear things up w/ the Alliance.

When you get arrested they can and will take all your stuff. If you're "driving" at the time, they will impound your ride (Normandy) until a judgment.

But if you're perceived as a terrorist. They will take it, and consider it theirs as part of the investigation. Looking to find more evidence.

To me, the Alliance taking the Normandy and doing what they will w/ it, is not a good sign for how they're planning on treating Shepard. Whether, or not it was going to belong to the VS when they were done...it would make sense since they're the new Spectre.

Even if they were tho, that was b4 the Reapers showed up. With the Normandy being unfinished, they prolly didn't officially assign it to the VS yet. Maybe they were going to do that when it was done, but now that the Reapers have shown up and proven Shepard right w/ a vengeance, none of that matters. You could also say that technically the Normandy still belongs to Shepard to command.

The fact that the Normandy is repainted indicates to me that the Alliance has no intention of turning the ship over to Shepard.  But then the Reapers show up and what?  "Oh uh, we need your help now so you can have it back."  *&@#*$*&#@
Shepard completes an Alliance project as it was intended to be carried out, and then must be scapegoated to avoid war with the Batarians.  The Alliance taking the SR2 is just icing on the cake I suppose.

[rapscallioness]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

The Alliance does take the Normandy. I can't see Shepard handing it over. Handing it over to be inspected is one thing, but the Alliance takes it apart. That tells me that Shepard's time w/ this trial isn't some old friend coming in for a chat...just to clear things up w/ the Alliance.

When you get arrested they can and will take all your stuff. If you're "driving" at the time, they will impound your ride (Normandy) until a judgment.

But if you're perceived as a terrorist. They will take it, and consider it theirs as part of the investigation. Looking to find more evidence.

To me, the Alliance taking the Normandy and doing what they will w/ it, is not a good sign for how they're planning on treating Shepard. Whether, or not it was going to belong to the VS when they were done...it would make sense since they're the new Spectre.

Even if they were tho, that was b4 the Reapers showed up. With the Normandy being unfinished, they prolly didn't officially assign it to the VS yet. Maybe they were going to do that when it was done, but now that the Reapers have shown up and proven Shepard right w/ a vengeance, none of that matters. You could also say that technically the Normandy still belongs to Shepard to command.

What I'm getting from this is

If the police impound a Lamborghini,they can search it and take it apart,and then assign it to an officer...


In combat you can commandeer a vehicle for your side at your leisure,but there isn't a declaration of war against cerberus as far as I know...

They can only impound it until judgment is reached...depending on the alleged crimes. But if they have evidence on you, even slight, being a ...big drug dealer. Then it's all for the bust. bye bye lamborghini. That's wat makes me nervous for Shepard w/ them taking and feeling like the Normandy is theirs.

I don't think Allaince would be taking it for their leisure. I think they would be searching it for more evidence. Maybe trying to find plans for a future attacks.

I don't think there's a declaration of war against Cerberus...officially. idk.

[Someone With Mass]

rapscallioness wrote...

God, i do hope they don't mess w/ my captains cabin and my stuff...grrr. I wanna a bar/lounge that actually...has ppl in it sometimes. Not just a bunch of squaddies laid up here and there like a traveling band of gypsies.

They said that as Shepard escapes to the Normandy Anderson throws Shepard's dog tags back and says, "Consider yourself reinstated!"

It's interesting that the Alliance, even if it's Anderson, is now in possession of your very dog tags that Shepard got back from Liara. I had them sitting on my desk.....so they rifled all thru my stuff. Heck, i wonder if they saw my pic of Kaidan still up.....oy...facepalm..that's not good.

Those are Shepard's old dog tags, from before he/she died. They're invalid now.

[rapscallioness]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

The fact that the Normandy is repainted indicates to me that the Alliance has no intention of turning the ship over to Shepard.  But then the Reapers show up and what?  "Oh uh, we need your help now so you can have it back." 

yup. that's the way it seems to me.

[Balek-Vriege]

What crew you have should be governed by how fast you rescued your Cerberus crew in ME2. If they all survived, the named crew should be on the Normandy (even the dialogue banter characters). If they die, the crew should obviously be 100% alliance.

I could see this being the way it is too. When the Reapers attack, Ash/Kaidan (with orders from Anderson maybe) break your old crew, Joker and Chakwas out of jail to get the Normandy fully staffed quickly. If you don't have your old crew, then it's mostly Alliance people who worked on the retrofit.

[Someone With Mass]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Humanoid your analogy is a little flawed. Let me make up my own and I think you'll find that it fits better.

If you help to design a military ship and then leave to become a terrorist than you give up your legal claim to the design. Also that military ship and its designs are most likely legally the SA and the Turian's. You no longer being a part of the SA means that you have no right to use those designs.

It's sort of like how civilians aren't allowed to use, build or buy certain weapons or ammunition used by the military.

[rapscallioness]

Someone With Mass wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

God, i do hope they don't mess w/ my captains cabin and my stuff...grrr. I wanna a bar/lounge that actually...has ppl in it sometimes. Not just a bunch of squaddies laid up here and there like a traveling band of gypsies.

They said that as Shepard escapes to the Normandy Anderson throws Shepard's dog tags back and says, "Consider yourself reinstated!"

It's interesting that the Alliance, even if it's Anderson, is now in possession of your very dog tags that Shepard got back from Liara. I had them sitting on my desk.....so they rifled all thru my stuff. Heck, i wonder if they saw my pic of Kaidan still up.....oy...facepalm..that's not good.

Those are Shepard's old dog tags, from before he/she died. They're invalid now.

Um, yeah..but they were a keepsake for my Shepard. Unless during the trial the Alliance mixed up a new batch of Shepard dog tags, I think they're the same ones. And shepard is reinstated by Anderson on the fly while escaping the invasion. I'm thinking there are not going to be alot of hard and fast rules right now. Everybody's dying. Fast.

[didymos1120]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I wouldn't be stealing from The US government,I'd be stealing from Lockheed Martin.

Cerberus didn't steal anything,they were involved in the construction of the original Normandy,SR-2 is a knock-off at best,they could sue the f--k out of Cerberus,but it isn't a stolen design,just a copied one.

You seem to not really get the concept of a state secret.  The SR-2 was built using highly classified data which Cerberus was in no way authorized to even see, much less copy and use.  It wouldn't even get near a court at all (as if Cerberus could even be served papers or whatever).

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 août 2011 - 04:05 .