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[TMA LIVE]

Mesina2 wrote...

This is not what Phaedon is talking about, but it's similar.

Now where's the footage?

[Rahmiel]

Man, why is there so much hate and animosity directed towards the VS in these forums?

Besides, rank doesn't matter when you're a spectre. You can tell an admiral to shove off and deny him from being able to inspect your ship. I hope that admiral makes a return at the start of the third one. Either keeping your ship relatively intact, or tearing it apart.. depending on whether or not you let him inspect your ship.

[Robhuzz]

MysteryNotes wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Well you couldn't seriously be surprised about this. The Alliance repossessing a Cerberus ship and leaving the Cerberus crew to serve on it would be rather weird.

Cerberus didn't take it from the alliance, Cerberus BUILT the Normandy SR-2 speecially for Shepard.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Alliance considers the SR-2 to be theirs somehow. Hence why it was repossesed. Can't remember how or where it was described but... there it was. Anyway it doesn't matter at this point. The Alliance took possession of / stole the Normandy SR-2 from Shepard either for the intent of copying the superior technology, simply using it as an Alliance flagship (similar to what the SR-1 was supposed to be) or making it ready for humanity's next Spectre. And in ME3 it's going to be Shepard's again, plain and simple 

[eye basher]

Most likely shepard dropped the crew off somewhere before he/she turned themselves in and by the way the alliance has an AI of there own is called ELIZA.

[roflchoppaz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

This is not what Phaedon is talking about, but it's similar.

Now where's the footage?

I got it from here.

It's small on Youtube, but huge if you download it in it's original size.

[LGTX]

crimzontearz wrote...

LGTX wrote...
And about the hate on possibly being XO, why the fuss? The Horizon incident was a filler to get the VS postponed for ME3, we're all on the same side when the war breaks out. I'm pretty sure that rank plays little role in their respect of Shepard, and how they trust him in leading the counterassault. He'll be made de facto Captain right away.

it's the "possibility"of the incident people are not happy with.

Imagine a Rachni situation where Ashley can actually outrank Shepard. Or something along those lines anyway where Ashley can take control if she disagrees with Shepard. Sorry but no. I do not want a crewmember that has more authority than I do when push comes to shove especially since Bioware already said there will be heavy conflicts. If that is the case I'll just happily airlock her at the first chance I get.

and before people go "ZOMG you wanna kill her just because she was a ***** on horizon" and "she had all the rights in the world to doubt you" or some other BS defense line......it does not matter how crappy the writing was or how justified she may or may not have been, it "happened". She (and kaiden) had a choice....she (he) made the call. If they were underlings I would not have much of a problem, but as superioirs............Hell NO. I'd rather take them out of the picture altogether.

So it's a simple case of not settling for anything but being completely in charge? A savior of the galaxy who is ready to kill just to not be under someone else's supervision? -just because he doesn't want to?-

And from a meta-perspective, you seriously can't see the gameplay diversification potential in there?

I really don't want to have this discussion...

[ISpeakTheTruth]

They may consider the SR-2 theirs because the ship was built based on the SR-1 design. Designs that were legally theirs so any unlawful duplication of that design would make that ship theirs.

[lovgreno]

A Alliance crew makes sense, both practicaly and politicaly. As always Cerberus has lost controll over the things they build and now the Alliance wants to make sure that everyone knows that they have it and not those Cerberus losers. As the Cerberus crew realy didn't follow Cerberus but rather Shepard many of them could still be trusted enough to stay on board, except from hardliners like Miranda. Having crew used to the ship is a advantage. They would probably add some trusted people, including Kaidan/Ashley, just to keep an eye on Shepard who they have good reasons to mistrust.

Personaly I would like to see more aliens in the crew just to make it more interesting.

[RocketManSR2]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Doesn't Shepard get some sort of promotion for saving humanity from the collectors? I mean, it's due.

Shepard saved the galaxy from the Reapers by defeating Sovereign/Nazara. What did he get as a reward? Clean-up duty in some far-flung corner of space.

Edit: The Alliance didn't re-fit the Normandy for Shepard to take command of it. He has been stripped of his command at the beginning of 3 and the crew taken into custody. I'm sure TIM used his influence to get the Cerberus personnel freed, though. Joker and Chakwas have pretty clean records, so they're offered positions on the SR2 after some questioning by Alliance investigators. The alien crew don't fall under Alliance jurisdiction, so they were free to leave after maybe some questioning. The VS was to take command after Shepard's trial railroading. This is all imo, of course, and we won't know until release, but it seems logical.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 18 août 2011 - 03:44 .

[Red Son Rising]

if a soldier commandeers an enemy vehicle and brings it back to base that vehicle belongs to the military. the alliance did what any organization would do if one of their own had access to an advanced piece of tech: take it, study it, keep it and copy it

odds of any cerberus personnel being on the 'new' sr2 normandy in reality are almost zero, in a video game anything is possible. even doc chakwas would have trouble gettin back on the sr2

[Fredvdp]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

They may consider the SR-2 theirs because the ship was built based on the SR-1 design. Designs that were legally theirs so any unlawful duplication of that design would make that ship theirs.

It's theirs because they commandeered it. That's reason enough.

[aj2070]

Bad King wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

 I don't get why people keep saying that Kaidan outranks Shepard... Kaidan is staff commander Alenko, Shepard is a full blown commander

There is no "full blown commander"

Shepard has never been called a staff-commander ever to my knowledge.... we still don't know for sure that Shepard is in fact a staff-commander and whether or not there is a more senior rank of commander not listed on that page.

I'm pretty sure that he's a confirmed Lieutenant Commander.

Beginning of Mass Effect, Shepard is listed as a Leutennant Commander.  Assuming Shepard is promoted when reinstated, Shepard would be a Staff Commander as well.  If Shepard was promted during or at the end of Mass Effect, he/she would already be a Staff Commander.  Shepard would have more time in grade than Kaden, meaning he/ she would still outrank him.

[Robhuzz]

^I'm still a little curious about those ranks. Shepard is an N7 marine while Kaidan isn't. Doesn't that mean anything in the alliance?

[raziel1980]

crimzontearz wrote...

LGTX wrote...
And about the hate on possibly being XO, why the fuss? The Horizon incident was a filler to get the VS postponed for ME3, we're all on the same side when the war breaks out. I'm pretty sure that rank plays little role in their respect of Shepard, and how they trust him in leading the counterassault. He'll be made de facto Captain right away.

it's the "possibility"of the incident people are not happy with.

Imagine a Rachni situation where Ashley can actually outrank Shepard. Or something along those lines anyway where Ashley can take control if she disagrees with Shepard. Sorry but no. I do not want a crewmember that has more authority than I do when push comes to shove especially since Bioware already said there will be heavy conflicts. If that is the case I'll just happily airlock her at the first chance I get.

and before people go "ZOMG you wanna kill her just because she was a ***** on horizon" and "she had all the rights in the world to doubt you" or some other BS defense line......it does not matter how crappy the writing was or how justified she may or may not have been, it "happened". She (and kaiden) had a choice....she (he) made the call. If they were underlings I would not have much of a problem, but as superioirs............Hell NO. I'd rather take them out of the picture altogether.

I agree wholeheartedly with these statements and seriously...I would consider dropping the VS from my 'permanent' roster if that is a possibilty( not to mention the fact that if they are XO that means they are ALSO stealing Miranda's quarters and that 2 I REFUSE to tolerate).

Modifié par raziel1980, 18 août 2011 - 03:34 .

[DragonIroh001]

Fredvdp wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

They may consider the SR-2 theirs because the ship was built based on the SR-1 design. Designs that were legally theirs so any unlawful duplication of that design would make that ship theirs.

It's theirs because they commandeered it. That's reason enough.

Yup Finders, Keepers. it's as simple as that.

[bleetman]

So long as Shepard gets to point out that the last time someone took her ship away, they ended up obliterated in the galactic core. The time before that, she just stole it back.

Nobody takes my ship.

[Leonia]

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here!"

[Jayce]

Robhuzz wrote...

^I'm still a little curious about those ranks. Shepard is an N7 marine while Kaidan isn't. Doesn't that mean anything in the alliance?

The N7 is Shepard's military vocational code, ie Tier One Special Operations. it's not a rank, more of a qualification.

Kaidan is likely also an N6 or 7 as he was the OC of the Normandy's Marine detachment. And we know from Revelation Anderson was also qualified N7 while he was a Lieutenant and Ground Team OC on the Hastings.

[Patchwork]

Considering that the SR2 was able to go through the Omega 4 Relay and destroy a/the collector vessel it's possible Shepard dangled the upgraded Normandy and prototype alien tech to get the crew pardoned.

Most of the crew (not Shepard's squad but the ship's crew) seemed to have colony connections. Not many were there for Cerberus or Shepard but to stop the abductions on the colony worlds.

Plus it's actually in Shepard's favour if the Alliance ships are upgraded. All the better to fight the Reapers.

As for EDI I have a hope that her code is hidden amongst a VI's or that Joker has a copy of her program. Which gets uploaded when Shepard gains command of the Normandy. Maybe the Shepard VI has its moment in the sun before EDI reveals herself.

IMO the Normandy is under the VS's command but a quick chat with the council will remedy that.

[Thompson family]

As long as the Alliance didn't ****-up EDI, Joker's at the helm and Chakwas is in the med bay, I don't think it matters much who mans the stations. Chakwas needs to be there because she's been with Shep since the beacon on Eden Prime.

On a more sentimental level, I'd like see that much of the old Cerberus crew is safe even if they're not back on the ship. I'd hate like anything for Shep to have saved them only to have to fight them or see them indoctrinated, or even stand out of this fight and be considered part of a group of enemies. My Sheps went and got his/her people and they were all his crew after he pulled them out of the Collector base. There's loyalty there but I can't see the Alliance allowing them back on board.

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As for the Cerberus crew being on trial, etc. I can't see that. We don't know what happened yet, but my Shep would have left the crew somewhere safe and gone to earth in the Normandy with EDI. Joker and Chakwas would get to come only because they refused to leave. After all, the first thing my Shep does on ME2 playthroughs is go to the Citadel and try to turn him/herself in.

And yes, I'm an insufferable paragon saint player. I can't help it.

Modifié par Thompson family, 18 août 2011 - 04:25 .

[bleetman]

Ser Bard wrote...

IMO the Normandy is under the VS's command but a quick chat with the council will remedy that.

Or a quick chat with the Virmire Survivor. Specifically this chat:

leonia42 wrote...

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here!"

Ah well. I wouldn't personally mind them retrofitting the Normandy and crewing it with Alliance, provided they actually strip all the surveillance bugs out first and didn't just decide to take the ship for themselves and throw the old crew into prison before Shepard's trial is even over. I imagine Hackett would have something to say about that if they tried.

Modifié par bleetman, 18 août 2011 - 04:23 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Art3mShepard wrote...

I just watched the clip of this on youtube, German Shepard is awesome! He even winks!

I think I just fell in love with Sheploo.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 18 août 2011 - 04:20 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Darkelefantos1 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Doesn't Shepard get some sort of promotion for saving humanity from the collectors? I mean, it's due.

Seeing as he is/was Spectre as well as KIA for 2 years, I don't think he has any military rank... As much as the Alliance wants it, a Spectre is not part of the military, just like a dead body.

...So what is he/she now if Shepard doesn't rejoin the Spectres?

[Jayce]

It might not be as cut and dry as we think. I've long suspected Ken Donnelly was an Alliance spy within Cerberus. There's a clip of Anderson meeting a Cerberus guy on the citadel in LotSB and I'm pretty sure it's Ken he's talking to.