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[Art3m]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Art3mShepard wrote...

I just watched the clip of this on youtube, German Shepard is awesome! He even winks!

I think I just fell in love with Sheploo.

But why he makes such a weird shoulder motion as if his pants go down anh he pulls 'em up.

[Patchwork]

bleetman wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

IMO the Normandy is under the VS's command but a quick chat with the council will remedy that.

Or a quick chat with the Virmire Survivor. Specifically this chat:

leonia42 wrote...

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here!"

As much as I love a Jayne quote the council basicly telling the VS "Sorry noob but leave it to the pros. Shepard, you have the full backing of the council." leaves me feeling warm and fuzzy.

[Thompson family]

Jayce F wrote...

It might not be as cut and dry as we think. I've long suspected Ken Donnelly was an Alliance spy within Cerberus. There's a clip of Anderson meeting a Cerberus guy on the citadel in LotSB and I'm pretty sure it's Ken he's talking to.

That would explain a h*** of a lot, but I thought the Cerberus guy in the video had closely shaved head. I'll go look at it again.

[esalor]

I think this discussion becomes more interesting given that we don't know the exact relationship between Cerberus and the Alliance. I am referring to theories voiced most notably on "Mass Effect: a Dissertation" thread over on the Steam forums.

In the case of Chakwas and Joker, Alliance can re-commission them and not make a big deal out of it, simply because some Alliance high-ups don't have much of a problem with Cerberus. Broker's file on Hackett indicates that he was clearly leaving Shepard alone to do what he was doing. So, we don't know all the details.

But above all, the thing I am dreading the most is the possibility of Shepard not being completely in charge of the Normandy. She is Shepard's ship. Period.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Art3mShepard wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Art3mShepard wrote...

I just watched the clip of this on youtube, German Shepard is awesome! He even winks!

I think I just fell in love with Sheploo.

But why he makes such a weird shoulder motion as if his pants go down anh he pulls 'em up.

No no, he's doing the Kirk / Picard Maneuver.  

It always puzzles me when they do this (thane or whoever else with Shep when they stepped out of the car). What's there to pull up / down?   Can the hardsuit be tugged in such a way?

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 18 août 2011 - 04:50 .

[LilyasAvalon]

I think it's a stretching motion... not that I mind if his pants are coming down.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 18 août 2011 - 04:53 .

[Recon Member]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Art3mShepard wrote...

I just watched the clip of this on youtube, German Shepard is awesome! He even winks!

I think I just fell in love with Sheploo.

Sheploo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All other space heroes. Yes, he even beats Kirk.

[Leonia]

Jayce F wrote...

It might not be as cut and dry as we think. I've long suspected Ken Donnelly was an Alliance spy within Cerberus. There's a clip of Anderson meeting a Cerberus guy on the citadel in LotSB and I'm pretty sure it's Ken he's talking to.

Why Ken in particular? If there were to be a spy, it might be someone we don't actually "see" on the Normandy, it's not like we got to see every single crew member (but we know from say the codex that more were there "off screen").

[Reptillius]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

FDrage wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The Alliance woulnd't retrofit the Normandy and leave an illegal and potentially dangerous AI in the ship that would be stupid.

they might not have much of a choice ... beside ripping everything out and rebuilding the Normany instead of retro-fitting.

It wouldn't be hard to kill EDI. All they'd have to do is destroy the AI core which is her 'brain' if you destroy that than she'd be gone. It wouldn't be an overly difficult thing to do at all.

You do this you kill most of the ship so it is not this easy. She has at least partial control of most of the ship. most of the automated functions are actually her functions... You could potentially kill everything from navigation to being able to flush the toilets if you take out EDI.

On the Issue of the Crew... Joker for starters has one of the most impressive records and capabilities of any pilot in or out of the Alliance.  This is not something you just throw away. Specially when he is one of the few characters that basically outright says that he's not there for Cerberus. He's there purely for Shepard and the Normandy.  This makes him much easier to reinstate.  Chakwas is a little more difficult but could be over looked because she's been taking care of Joker so long she basically went for Joker and for Shepard and never really joined cerberus.

As for say Gabby and Ken. These two would be kept around in some form because they know a lot about the tech used all over the Normandy. they are litterally experts on how it works.  They were civilian with certain brushes with the alliance military but nothing damaging. They jumped at the chance to work on the ship.  This makes them valuable assets in helping to retrofit the ship and potentially reproduce some of that tech in other ships.  Everything about the normandy and even the upgrades went through their hands at some point.  If they haven't gotten others up to speed and the attack forces the Alliance into a position of "We need this ship now" then the alliance finds it in their best interest to put them back on the ship.  Perhaps with underlings that they are training...

this leaves only Kelly and the cook as kind of the odd men out and hard to explain. I'm personally not going to try.

As for Ashley/Kaidan... if they do put what little is left of the small crew to start with back together.  They are going to need oversight.  Now what does this mean?  Not that the ship is just handed over to Ashley and Kaidan... Because there is the small fact that the Ship is still Shepards and it wasn't actually Alliance Military to start with at this point. The alliance military ship was destroyed... The New one was made with AM blueprints and upgraded but that is a different issue. Now they are of course going to instate it as an AM ship but until they get done with their trial and decide what to do with it's captain the ship is in Limbo.   What they can do is take a Spectre that's going to have their own ship somewhere at this point and Place them on board the Normandy if they Reinstate shepard and the crew as that Oversight because the Spectre is the only one with the actual status to get involved in Council/ Shepards business and have a say in it. That doesn't actually put them in charge.  That puts them in a position to try and take charge should they find that they need to. being one of Shepards old comrade's and back with Shepard and seeing what he's doing first hand. We know they won't need to.

[el master pr]

Remember, it's been only two months after Arrival. What if the Normandy is just out of the shipyard and on its schedule is the shakedown run? After all, in ME1 Eden Prime was supposed to be its shakedown run and in ME2 there was no shakedown run at all. So basically, the Normandy is yours since forever and I think taking it from you is a douchy move from BW, which they are not, and find it highly unlikely.

Ranks, ranks, ranks. Shepard is Lt. Commander of the SA, while Kaidan was promoted to Staff Commander and Ashley to Second Lt. I'm positive that they do not outrank Shepard, because Lt. Cmdr. >>> Staff Cmdr. and Ashley's is obvious. The Normandy is Shepard's, and no one can change that.

*Spoiler alert*



Edit: I read on the hands-on of IGN that at the beginning of the game Shepard had been stripped off his military rank, as per Court Martial protocol, but that at the end when the Normandy picks you up Anderson reinstates you as Lt. Commander of the SA.

Modifié par el master pr, 18 août 2011 - 05:20 .

[el master pr]

Sorry for double post.

Modifié par el master pr, 18 août 2011 - 05:20 .

[Reptillius]

Stripped of his rank or of his authority to command? one is a punishment. One is "sorry but we can't actually have you do anything until we've made a decision on what you potentially did wrong."

[Alamar2078]

Hmmm ... If I were Shep I would have been happy to stand trial but I'd be darned if anybody even got a chance to lay hands on my ship or my crew.

[esalor]

By the way, are we actually told, in those words, that Shepard was being court martialed?
All I heard was he was testifying in a hearing. Which can be serious but not the same as a court martial.

[wright1978]

Interested to see how they are going to handle Shep handing himself in. My sheps would definitely protect their crew from getting imprisoned by the Alliance. However i don't see how the likes of Joker would possibly be re-instated into the Alliance until after the reapers attack. Not particularly impressed by Alliance attempts to stick an alliance bumper sticker on the Normandy.

[Patchwork]

Loyalty is a big thing in the military there's no way Cerberus agents even former ones are getting reinstated and assigned to an Alliance ship without Spectre intervention.

It would be interesting if the VS recruits Joker, Chakwas and a few other ME2 crew because of their experience with Shepard and the Collectors.

[Art3m]

Well, taking in mind that Normandy's been remade and it take pretty long time all the crew is under investigation. Just look at Sheploo's face after all fights he's been fed well:) Chubby face lol. Hey don't touch the kitchen and srg. Rupert!

[Jayce]

leonia42 wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

It might not be as cut and dry as we think. I've long suspected Ken Donnelly was an Alliance spy within Cerberus. There's a clip of Anderson meeting a Cerberus guy on the citadel in LotSB and I'm pretty sure it's Ken he's talking to.

Why Ken in particular? If there were to be a spy, it might be someone we don't actually "see" on the Normandy, it's not like we got to see every single crew member (but we know from say the codex that more were there "off screen").

Mainly because of what he tells you when he speaks to you. He makes it pretty clear he was ticked off at the alliance brass and very public about it, but also that he was a strong believer in the Reaper threat. I can well imagine Anderson finding Ken a kindred spirit and coaxing Ken to get even more vocal about his support for Shepard as bait for an approach by Cerberus. 

The LoTSB clip just took something that was a vague theory of mine and made it a little more solid. Still it's just a theory.

[wright1978]

I honestly think the idea of an alliance mole betraying Shep makes more sense than the hand yourself in for trial in a gameplay sense. I wonder if the Hackett get ready to hand yourself in speech in Arrival is a ruse and in reality Shep is going to get captured. Well if it is Donnelly at least i took him to the cleaners at cards.

[Phaedon]

For the record, Jesse Houston has confirmed that VS does not "outrank" Shepard when in the Normandy.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

If they did anything to Engineer Gabriella Daniels,I will let Earth,and everything SA related burn to the mf ground.

[King Minos]

Is the VI only with Shepard because the council told them to observe Shepard?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

King Minos wrote...

Is the VI only with Shepard because the council told them to observe Shepard?

What VI?

[crimzontearz]

LGTX wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

LGTX wrote...
And about the hate on possibly being XO, why the fuss? The Horizon incident was a filler to get the VS postponed for ME3, we're all on the same side when the war breaks out. I'm pretty sure that rank plays little role in their respect of Shepard, and how they trust him in leading the counterassault. He'll be made de facto Captain right away.

it's the "possibility"of the incident people are not happy with.

Imagine a Rachni situation where Ashley can actually outrank Shepard. Or something along those lines anyway where Ashley can take control if she disagrees with Shepard. Sorry but no. I do not want a crewmember that has more authority than I do when push comes to shove especially since Bioware already said there will be heavy conflicts. If that is the case I'll just happily airlock her at the first chance I get.

and before people go "ZOMG you wanna kill her just because she was a ***** on horizon" and "she had all the rights in the world to doubt you" or some other BS defense line......it does not matter how crappy the writing was or how justified she may or may not have been, it "happened". She (and kaiden) had a choice....she (he) made the call. If they were underlings I would not have much of a problem, but as superioirs............Hell NO. I'd rather take them out of the picture altogether.

So it's a simple case of not settling for anything but being completely in charge? A savior of the galaxy who is ready to kill just to not be under someone else's supervision? -just because he doesn't want to?-

And from a meta-perspective, you seriously can't see the gameplay diversification potential in there?


I really don't want to have this discussion...

you bet your ***!

My shepard is a paragon but not a pushover nor a moron for that matter. He (and I) will not tolerate the lasting presence an officer on MY ship who can outrank me and simply takecontrol of the ship away from me who also has second guessed me openly in the past. Sorry but no, maybe killing her (him) is going too far and I'll sooner just drop them off somewhere or just tell them to leave or painfully put them in their place by showing them that the crew is loyal to me and not them (and thus attempting anything funny will be met with lethal force).... but if it comes down to that I'll have zero problems pulling the trigger. The beauty of it is that YOU can do the opposite. So no worries there.

this also assumes she (or he) will not actually sincerely apologize for her behaviour on Horizon and promise to keep her second guessing mouth shut from then on....in which case I'll just be peachy.

Lacking that, tho, I will pimp smack the Virmire Suvivor (Ash in my case) with a hard cover, leather bound copy of "the Prince" by Machiavelli. Yes my authority and control will not be questioned.

[Phaedon]

crimzontearz wrote...
My shepard is a paragon but not a pushover

leather bound copy of "the Prince" by Machiavelli.

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