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[crimzontearz]

I'll need you to formulate a question there Phaedon

[Longsword-83]

Phaedon wrote...

For the record, Jesse Houston has confirmed that VS does not "outrank" Shepard when in the Normandy.

ON. ON the Normandy. You get IN a plane you get, IN a tank, you get IN a boat. You get ON a ship.


Too many years living around Norfolk aside, what about on the ground? Much as I love Ash, I won't be having any lip from her about my choice to get wasted before a mission.

[Boiny Bunny]

Phaedon wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Well you couldn't seriously be surprised about this. The Alliance repossessing a Cerberus ship and leaving the Cerberus crew to serve on it would be rather weird.

Not really surprised, it's quite interesting what it entails though

Shepard is court martialed, I very much doubt that they repurposed the ship and assigned an active crew to it just for him. There is a plotpoint behind this.

I don't think that there is any significant plot point behind it.  The Alliance seized the ship off an illegal terrorist group.  Given that the SR2 is based off the SR1, which was a prototype and at the time, one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy, and that the SR2 has greatly improved specs over the SR1 (Cerberus improved it to start with, then Shepard added further improvements) - it's not really a surprise that the Alliance want to be able to use it for their own purposes.

If I had to guess, I doubt we'll be seeing any of the Cerberus crew members on board in ME3 - much like Pressly and Adams were not on the SR2 in ME2.

[havoc373]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Well you couldn't seriously be surprised about this. The Alliance repossessing a Cerberus ship and leaving the Cerberus crew to serve on it would be rather weird.

Not really surprised, it's quite interesting what it entails though

Shepard is court martialed, I very much doubt that they repurposed the ship and assigned an active crew to it just for him. There is a plotpoint behind this.

I don't think that there is any significant plot point behind it.  The Alliance seized the ship off an illegal terrorist group.  Given that the SR2 is based off the SR1, which was a prototype and at the time, one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy, and that the SR2 has greatly improved specs over the SR1 (Cerberus improved it to start with, then Shepard added further improvements) - it's not really a surprise that the Alliance want to be able to use it for their own purposes.

If I had to guess, I doubt we'll be seeing any of the Cerberus crew members on board in ME3 - much like Pressly and Adams were not on the SR2 in ME2.

pressly wasent there because he was dead... he died in the opening cutscene of ME2... dunno about adams though

[Lunatic LK47]

Rather have the Cerberus Crew back. At least they had a reason to be on the Normandy (i.e. Shepard). Adams was only there for the sake of exposition and nothing else.

[Boiny Bunny]

havoc373 wrote...

pressly wasent there because he was dead... he died in the opening cutscene of ME2... dunno about adams though

That's true - but it wouldn't have made any sense for him to serve on the SR2 even if he had survived, nor would it make sense for Adams to.  Chakwas was always a little disillusioned about the Alliance though, and Joker was easy to bring over with a new Normandy and the promise of working with Shepard again.

It would be possible to have the entire Cerberus crew on the SR2 in ME3 - but just doesn't seem likely, especially given that Cerberus as a whole have now turned against Shepard and appear to be waging a war against the Alliance.

I guess in the end, Bioware will make excuses for the popular characters to return, regardless of how much senes it might make.  Either way, regardless of whether there are 2 or so 'token' Cerberus crew members in ME3, the Normandy seems be an Alliance ship now, with a majority Alliance crew.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 18 août 2011 - 11:42 .

[Dionkey]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Rather have the Cerberus Crew back. At least they had a reason to be on the Normandy (i.e. Shepard). Adams was only there for the sake of exposition and nothing else.

I like Adams, he was a charming fellow. I hope they bring back Daniels and Donnelly at least, because we all know Chawkwas will be back.

[mranderson25]

The way i see it happening is Shep gets court martialed/stripped of rank and/or right to command, and the Normandy is basically "repo'd" by the SA from them to inspect/re-commission. The VS then is able to take command of it once everything checks out and is re-fitted. As for the crew, they may or may not stay with the ship depending on their past relation with Shep/the Alliance, and their role in "The Arrival" events.

Then, once the Reapers show up, 1 of 2 scenarios can happen:
1. The SA basically goes "we dun goofed" and hands everything back over to Shepard, including crew/old squad members, for him to go save the universe with.
2. The VS (now in control of the ship) decides to go against the SA and illegally give the Normandy back over to Shepard. because he and he alone knows what to do in this time of crisis.

There's obviously a lot of speculation there, but i could see Bioware going with scenario 2, there's lots they could do there with a "rogue hero" kind of scenario i think.

[Dionkey]

mranderson25 wrote...

The way i see it happening is Shep gets court martialed/stripped of rank and/or right to command, and the Normandy is basically "repo'd" by the SA from them to inspect/re-commission. The VS then is able to take command of it once everything checks out and is re-fitted. As for the crew, they may or may not stay with the ship depending on their past relation with Shep/the Alliance, and their role in "The Arrival" events.

Then, once the Reapers show up, 1 of 2 scenarios can happen:
1. The SA basically goes "we dun goofed" and hands everything back over to Shepard, including crew/old squad members, for him to go save the universe with.
2. The VS (now in control of the ship) decides to go against the SA and illegally give the Normandy back over to Shepard. because he and he alone knows what to do in this time of crisis.

There's obviously a lot of speculation there, but i could see Bioware going with scenario 2, there's lots they could do there with a "rogue hero" kind of scenario i think.

I like theory 2, reminds me much of how Anderson unlocks the Normandy in ME1.

[DrSpoonbender]

I am very interested to learn the state of the Normandy’s crew and what changes will be made to the environment aboard the Normandy.

As for the crew it is preordained that the Alliance acquires the Normandy at the start of Mass Effect 3 and it should be expected the Alliance would be the ones who authorized the personal who would initially be placed aboard. Despite this being a fact in the end I hope that the crew is mostly comprised of members from both Normandy SR-1 & SR-2, people we have become acquainted during the previous two games. I willingly suspend some degree of disbelief to accommodate this. The universe is big, but since this is Shepard’s final space tour it is time to cash in.

[shep82]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I wonder what that means for the Cerberus crew. Even Joker and Chakwas were with Cerberus, and working with Cerberus is kind of frowned upon. Hopefully they'll be let off like Shepard.

Joker will be back, that we know. And there is probably a plotpoint behind this too.

In fact.

I think that Anderson refers to him as "Lieutenant" in the ending of the Earth level. Casey himself says that "Joker is probably in there"

Wait, really? Awesome.

I hope they explain things a bit, but I'm willing to let it slide. Joker is awesome after all. 

As long as EDI is there too then I'll be content.

Same here. THey've done well with the story so far so I'm not worried, but what's this about ash/kaiden as a spectre?

[Walker White]

The writers can easily solve the rank issue by having the Alliance award Shepard a retroactive promotion back to the end of ME1.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Memmahkth wrote...

PetrySilva wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if the old crew member were re-recruited by the Alliance.

I would be.  Remember, a lot of the crew from the SR2 were former alliance that left because they could no longer stand the alliance, or like Joker, saw a reduced role and decided to leave.  That's not exactly good material for a good crew.

I wouldn't doubt that the alliance could make use of them when the reapers attack, but they're not convinced of that from what we know.  So in the interim, while shepard is awaiting trial, I would think the crew would be arrested and imprisoned as well.  Their trials are likely to follow shepard's.  But once the Reapers attack, I wouldn't be surprised if the alliance is like.. well ****.  Everyone for themselves!

I'd be disappointed of the SR2 is crewed by former Cerberus from ME2.  I wouldn't have a problem if we went around and found some willing to join us, but to expect the whole crew there and the alliance saying "no harm, no foul" is quite the stretch.  The ONLY way I could see that happening, is if it's revealed that Cerberus is in fact, a former top secret alliance faction as an end around way of avoiding citadel law and treaties.  Which.. is not that far fetched.  But again, that'd have to be revealed.

In either case.. I'm more interested in what will happen to EDI.  The alliance has always been interested in AI's, but have always taken great care with them.  EDI is unshackled.. so.. I'm really curious to find out what the alliance thought/did about EDI.

Honestly, one could argue a new crew is actually more of a stretch. We have been told so far the Reaper invasion is immediate subsequent to Shepard on trial. How would the Alliance have time to fit the Normandy with an entire newly appointed crew with Earth is on the brink of destruction? Frankly, even the idea of a paint job is partially contrived unless there was a sizable gap between the aforementioned events.

[-Algernon-]

Keep in mind that at the start of the end game of ME1, Shepard and crew steal the Normandy. After the Omega 4 relay mission in ME2, depending on your choice, Shepard and crew are on the run from Cerberus in the now stolen again Normandy. I just have a suspicion that the Normandy might be a hot ship once again when Shepard gets her back in ME3. As for the crew, most of those mentioned above as hopeful returns are there for Shepard, not Cerberus. Cerberus was just a way for them to become part of the Normandy team under Shepard's leadership. Whatever shape or form this takes on in-game, I'm sure it'll make sense and play out well in the ME story.

[crimzontearz]

-Algernon- wrote...

Keep in mind that at the start of the end game of ME1, Shepard and crew steal the Normandy. After the Omega 4 relay mission in ME2, depending on your choice, Shepard and crew are on the run from Cerberus in the now stolen again requisitioned Normandy. I just have a suspicion that the Normandy might be a hot ship once again when Shepard gets her back in ME3. As for the crew, most of those mentioned above as hopeful returns are there for Shepard, not Cerberus. Cerberus was just a way for them to become part of the Normandy team under Shepard's leadership. Whatever shape or form this takes on in-game, I'm sure it'll make sense and play out well in the ME story.

fixed 

[DarkPsylocke26]

What if Joker actually working for the Alliance secretly to make sure that Shepard wasn't being corrupting him/her.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Kaiden/Ashley will be a SPECTRE, not SA, even though they were SA. So if Shepard gets busted in rank for working with Cerberus, or that Batarian colony incident, again for which there is no real proof Shepard did anything wrong. And Shepard might still be a SPECTRE (if in ME2 accepted that status) and if so would be senior to Kaiden/Ashley. Shepard might be XO at the start of the game, but due to the death of the Commander of the Normandy receives a field promotion from Hackett or Anderson back to Staff Commander. It's been done before. We'll survive.

Oh and let's not forget that our dear friend the Shadow Broker (aka Liara) would be able to dig up any kind of dirt we need before we pick her up -- as in stuff on the tribunal judges, Normandy Commander, Hackett, TIM, etc.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 19 août 2011 - 01:12 .

[DarkPsylocke26]

I read somewhere, I don't remember where that Anderson gives Shepard back his/her rank back.

[Kaiser Shepard]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Darkelefantos1 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Doesn't Shepard get some sort of promotion for saving humanity from the collectors? I mean, it's due.

Seeing as he is/was Spectre as well as KIA for 2 years, I don't think he has any military rank... As much as the Alliance wants it, a Spectre is not part of the military, just like a dead body.

...So what is he/she now if Shepard doesn't rejoin the Spectres?

A big damn hero.

DarkPsylocke26 wrote...

I read somewhere, I don't remember where that Anderson gives Shepard back his/her rank back.

He tells you "Welcome back to the Alliance" or something to that effect just before the Earth prologue level comes to an end.

[Boiny Bunny]

Bear in mind that we don't actually know how long the trial has been going on when ME3 starts. It is possible that Shepard and the SR2 have been in the custody of the Alliance for 3 months - 1 year before the trial actually takes place. That would be plenty of time to repaint it and upgrade it's systems.

[el master pr]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Bear in mind that we don't actually know how long the trial has been going on when ME3 starts. It is possible that Shepard and the SR2 have been in the custody of the Alliance for 3 months - 1 year before the trial actually takes place. That would be plenty of time to repaint it and upgrade it's systems.

We do know, it's been two months after Arrival.

[Boiny Bunny]

el master pr wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Bear in mind that we don't actually know how long the trial has been going on when ME3 starts. It is possible that Shepard and the SR2 have been in the custody of the Alliance for 3 months - 1 year before the trial actually takes place. That would be plenty of time to repaint it and upgrade it's systems.

We do know, it's been two months after Arrival.

Ah, ok - my mistake.  Nonetheless, 2 months is certainly enough time for the Alliance to repaint it and re-fit/re-staff it.

[Cypher0020]

Woooow that vid clip on page 2..... that's... interesting... anyone know what that is behind Shep exactly?