40 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Prince_12]

Doesn't really matter. Corypheus still lives on whatever you choose.

[Gespenst]

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

The Wardens of old couldn't control or bargain with Corypheus what makes Janeka think she knows more magic than they did back then before blood magic had been banned for 1000 years?

Quething wrote...

On the whole, though, I'd say the game tends to tilt you toward Larius in much the way it nudged you toward Harrowmont in DA:O.

It did? I got the impression that Harrowmont was a good man who would be the worst king ever and would actually allow Orzammar to self-destruct if he had his way.

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Of course the murdering spree that Bhelin goes on after he becomes king counts against him.


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[Prince_12]

Bhelen may be a scumbag, but he clearly by far a "better" king than Harrowmont IMO.

[Flopsi]

To refer to the OP this is Dragon Age. There is only your right or wrong as morality is subjective. This is what i loved in the DA franchise and hated in many others(Mass effect,fallout,infamous). But considering the final decision in ME2 it is seems that Larius would be the good choice as it is safer.

[HopHazzard]

Janeka just seemed like another overconfident mage who didn't truly understand what she was dealing with. So I went with Larius. Even if he was a bit crazy he seemed to have a healthy respect for the danger Corypheus represented.

Not that it really matters since Corypheus hitches a ride inside whoever it is you choose.

[Urazz]

Gespenst wrote...

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

The Wardens of old couldn't control or bargain with Corypheus what makes Janeka think she knows more magic than they did back then before blood magic had been banned for 1000 years?

Quething wrote...

On the whole, though, I'd say the game tends to tilt you toward Larius in much the way it nudged you toward Harrowmont in DA:O.

It did? I got the impression that Harrowmont was a good man who would be the worst king ever and would actually allow Orzammar to self-destruct if he had his way.

SPOILERS

Of course the murdering spree that Bhelin goes on after he becomes king counts against him.


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The only murdering he does is against his opponents and enemies.  I.E. Dwarven Nobles and other that disapprove his plans.

He went after the last Harrowmount in DA2 as more of a paranoia kind of thing thinking that he will want revenge at some point.

His lack of honor and morality towards his enemies aside, Bhelen actually does bring the dwarves out of their self-destruction and starts reclaiming thaigs.

Back onto the topic, I generally always pick Larius now.  The only time I picked Janeka was my second playthrough on Legacy and that was when it was revealed that Larius blackmailed Malcom Hawke into strengthening the wards at Corypheus' prison.  That was pretty much the only point I felt I could realistically choose Janeka.

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[Gespenst]

Urazz wrote...

The only murdering he does is against his opponents and enemies.  I.E. Dwarven Nobles and other that disapprove his plans.

He went after the last Harrowmount in DA2 as more of a paranoia kind of thing thinking that he will want revenge at some point.

That makes him better? Isn't it a bit like saying that "this tyrant isn't bad because he only attacks his enemies"? People should be allowed to disapprove of his plans...

Urazz wrote...

His lack of honor and morality towards his enemies aside, Bhelen actually does bring the dwarves out of their self-destruction and starts reclaiming thaigs.

...but Harrowmont will kill everyone in Orzammar - and everyone on the surface too if he can manage it.

"Orzammar has been in decline for more than 1000 years, and if it was good enough for my father and his father before him it's darn well good enough for us!"

[Harid]

Same thing is going to happen either way, this is not only dlc, but a trademark "Bioware choice."

[Urazz]

Gespenst wrote...

Urazz wrote...

The only murdering he does is against his opponents and enemies.  I.E. Dwarven Nobles and other that disapprove his plans.

He went after the last Harrowmount in DA2 as more of a paranoia kind of thing thinking that he will want revenge at some point.

That makes him better? Isn't it a bit like saying that "this tyrant isn't bad because he only attacks his enemies"? People should be allowed to disapprove of his plans...

Nah, it doesn't really make him better as he has no concept of mercy really and that would probably come back to bite him in the ass later on in his life from constant assassination attempts.  I'm not actually trying to defend his actions on that kind of stuff but what he is doing for his people overall.

What makes Bhelen 'better' than the typical tyrant as it stands is the only people he's really being a tyrant to are the rich and powerful nobles and the like that don't like his ideas and plans.  Considering that the majority of these dwarven  nobles would have no problem assassinating rivals and have no problems doing whatever it takes to increase their own power.  Bhelen is like that as well but he knows that having the civilians on his side are the true source of power and pissing them off is the way to shorten his reign.

It's why Bhelen is does things like expanding upon surface trade which will help the dwarves economically, he gives casteless an option to get more rights by fighting in the dwarven army which is way more than they ever had before and it gets the dwarven people out of the dismal situation of being nearly annihilated from the darkspawn and again.  These things work on improving things for the majority for the most part and makes them happy.

So really, I doubt Bhelen would ever really have to deal with a rebellion on his hands.  He would just have to deal with constant assassination attempts from individual nobles at the least and maybe a coup de tat from groups of nobles at the most.

[Archyle]

Since this devolved into a discussion about Bhelen and Harrowmont, your own personality nudges you to one or the other. Bhelen might have played the game of noble intrigue far better than Harrowmont, and we can see his actions a reflection of the nobility of Europe for about 800 years, the bottom line is that no matter what the nobles do to each other, as long as the common man is fed and sheltered well, he doesn't really care what hand feeds him...regardless of your choices this is just another way of saying all those big choices don't really have any impact on the narrative flow, as is the case with the Anders debacle..no matter what was written on the subject in Awakening post scripts, he still very much always shows up in Kirkwall ready to do the nasty to the grand cleric. What we have to ask ourselves is that aside from a few minor and relatively unimportant side quests, how much are these "choices" affecting the end experience and the transfer from one game to the next, the answer is "not that much...." and while it's understandable considering the undertaking of making such a game, it does wear quite quickly.

[thats1evildude]

I reallize from the onset that Larius is being manipulated by Corypheus as much as Janeka, as his plan doesn't make much sense. I mean, Corypheus is set loose either way. So why not work with Janeka and, when her efforts inevitably fail, just go ahead with killing him as you always intended? But no, he can't see the benefit of collaboration because he's being controlled.

Still, I side with Larius before he imparts more insights into Malcolm's character, which I was eager to learn.

[Beliar86]

I sided with Larius because if he goes to the wardens directly they'll immediately know something is wrong because people don't come back from being called. Bit less chance of Corypheus successfully hijacking the wardens for whatever cause.

[LobselVith8]

Beliar86 wrote...

I sided with Larius because if he goes to the wardens directly they'll immediately know something is wrong because people don't come back from being called. Bit less chance of Corypheus successfully hijacking the wardens for whatever cause.

I doubt possessed Larius was really going to go back to the Wardens.

[TEWR]

The best course of action is to side with Janeka at first and then when you come across Larius again -- who has by that point gotten 3 Wardens on his side -- to side with him.

*cue awesome moment of awesome awesomeness*

Then Larius ends up sending those 3 Wardens to tell the Wardens in the other nations -- even the Anderfels -- of what's happening so they can rally their forces and respond.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The best course of action is to side with Janeka at first and then when you come across Larius again -- who has by that point gotten 3 Wardens on his side -- to side with him.

*cue awesome moment of awesome awesomeness*

Yeah, Larius really seized his moment there. 

You know, I actually did that the last time I played, when I finally got around to finishing my canon run. I was trying to make apostate Hawke distinct from my Surana Warden, but the insane carta members who seem to hear and serve Corpyheus and are helping Janeka in her goal contribute to the idea that she isn't likely to succeed in taking control of Corypheus.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Then Larius ends up sending those 3 Wardens to tell the Wardens in the other nations -- even the Anderfels -- of what's happening so they can rally their forces and respond.

At least now the Wardens know that Corypheus is on the loose.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

At least now the Wardens know that Corypheus is on the loose

To be fair, they probably learn about it anyway since the Seekers under Cassandra's command found Wardens guarding the area.

At least that one can give Hawke some measure of taking action against it, even though it wasn't his idea to send them out in the first place. But you could always headcanon your Hawke to be thinking "That's what I would've done" and nodding in approval.