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[RussianSpy27]

If the whole ordeal is about blowing up a Batarian planet, shouldn't an interplanetary court (Citadel?) judge such an action? 

I thought the Council has actual power over many systems and it's not just a UN-like entitty.. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Zulu wrote a long rant about this once. In short you're being plot hammered to be on Earth at the time of the invasion.

[Leonia]

Uh oh here we go again, where's Zulu.. I still think the trial should be on the Citadel or possibly at Arcturus Station (and I'm still angry that Dr. Kenson got my hopes up about actually going there in Arrival..).

But Earth is special.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

But Zulu is a bit of a looney,so you go with his story or the one about Shepard being tried on Earth cause humanity is saving face.

Either is fine,and we don't need another thread on it.






inb4 internet argument.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 18 août 2011 - 05:21 .

[Recon Member]

I rather have it on earth. I wanna see it before it gets destroyed.

[MarauderESP]

wait sheploo is a specter.... soo why the alliance even botther?? ....

[Il Divo]

Thekill_3 wrote...

I rather have it on earth. I wanna see it before it gets destroyed.

This. It may contradict the codex's entry on Arcturus Station, but I'm willing to go along for the epic factor.

[TheOptimist]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

If the whole ordeal is about blowing up a Batarian planet, shouldn't an interplanetary court (Citadel?) judge such an action? 

I thought the Council has actual power over many systems and it's not just a UN-like entitty.. 

Hilariously enough, it's unlikely the Council can do anything, atleast if you got yourself reinstated as a Spectre.  If memory serves, Spectres have a broad latitude to do anything they see as necessary to keep the galaxy safe, and if they go rogue, the only remedy is sending another Spectre to put them down.  So Mass Effect 1 told us, anyway.  But the mission in The Arrival was an Alliance mission, given specifically to you by Admiral Hackett.  The fact that you "botched" it means the Alliance wants answers, and thus, to Earth you go. 

Now, there is a certain amount of railroading going on here for Renegade Sheps, as I would think at least some of them don't give a damn what the Alliance wants and I have a hard time imagining why Renegade Shepard would feel compelled to return to Earth, but that's a whole nother subject.

[Someone With Mass]

Il Divo wrote...

Thekill_3 wrote...

I rather have it on earth. I wanna see it before it gets destroyed.

This. It may contradict the codex's entry on Arcturus Station, but I'm willing to go along for the epic factor.

Besides, the Reapers can destroy the Arcturus station with ease. Oh, that was a short game. Shepard had a trial and then died.

[Il Divo]

TheOptimist wrote...

Hilariously enough, it's unlikely the Council can do anything, atleast if you got yourself reinstated as a Spectre.  If memory serves, Spectres have a broad latitude to do anything they see as necessary to keep the galaxy safe, and if they go rogue, the only remedy is sending another Spectre to put them down.  So Mass Effect 1 told us, anyway.  But the mission in The Arrival was an Alliance mission, given specifically to you by Admiral Hackett.  The fact that you "botched" it means the Alliance wants answers, and thus, to Earth you go. 

Now, there is a certain amount of railroading going on here for Renegade Sheps, as I would think at least some of them don't give a damn what the Alliance wants and I have a hard time imagining why Renegade Shepard would feel compelled to return to Earth, but that's a whole nother subject.

Spectres do have a great deal of freedom, but Mass Effect did make clear that the Spectres still have to answer to the Council, as Saren losing his Spectre status demonstrates. The question was whether the Council could get their hands on Saren, not whether they had the political power to stop him.

Modifié par Il Divo, 18 août 2011 - 05:32 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Thekill_3 wrote...

I rather have it on earth. I wanna see it before it gets destroyed.

This. It may contradict the codex's entry on Arcturus Station, but I'm willing to go along for the epic factor.

Besides, the Reapers can destroy the Arcturus station with ease. Oh, that was a short game. Shepard had a trial and then died.

"We the jury find the defendant-" *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

[dreman9999]

1. What Shepard did was not in citidel jurisdiction, so they can't make a ruling.

2. The alliance made the first move to stop a war with the bartarians.

3. Technically, it's the bartarians that have the allowance and right to have a trail for Shepard and request Shepard to be arrested and extradited to their Hierarchy. The alliance acted first because that bartarian trail will only be a public linching.
.......

So, the trail is to protect Allaince interests and Shepard  politically as the reapers advance.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 août 2011 - 05:32 .

[RussianSpy27]

Thekill_3 wrote...

I rather have it on earth. I wanna see it before it gets destroyed.

As if another mission couldn't have been developed for us to visit earth.

[Reptillius]

Actually. I have to go through and play ME2 again. (i have to do this anyway) But I'm pretty sure Hacket says something about your being wanted on Earth for a potential court marshal for your involvement with Cerberus shortly before you go on the Suicide mission. Which would be a purely human manner and thus you would be wanted in a human military court for that matter. I remember a short conversation where Hackett says that he'll try to stall it and hold it off as long as possible so you can finish the collector business in ME2.

the blowing up of a batarian star system is a whole other issue on the level of war crimes and should be handled by the citadel... but at the same time. it was a stealth mission so your involvement in that should hopefully only be known to the Alliance in that incident and it might be bad for them should they openly report it. There is also something to consider in that Depending on just where BW classifies that star system you blew up. It may technically be outside of Citadel space and might be overlookable for the greater good. Guess we'll get an answer to that in ME3.


Edit: besides you got to admit. Best way to get yourself off in a court Marshal involving stories about the Reapers and get yourself back into action quickly. Have the Reapers start landing right outside the window of the space station your being put on trial in and start blowing stuff up.  I hope there's a line where you can point at the window of all those unidentifiable ships landing and go. "I give you exhibit F" for a Renegade response.

Modifié par Reptillius, 18 août 2011 - 05:36 .

[The_Illusive]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
"We the jury find the defendant-" *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

Shepard: I call Harbringer as a witness.

*Harbringer storms in through the roof*

Harbringer: I will defend you personally!

[Robhuzz]

MarauderESP wrote...

wait sheploo is a specter.... soo why the alliance even botther?? ....

Spectres are above the law, meaning the council will not look into them causing a few deaths if it means completing the mission. The council has NO authority at all over independant governements. Any species may trial a spectre if said spectre did something wholly against the law. The Salarians, Turians and Asari governements are, by now mixed up in the citadel business so their spectres are supposedly excluded up to a certain point. This does not count for Shepard.

Also, Shepard's trial is mostly political in order to try and appease the Batarians - remember there is no reaper threat according to most of the alliance and the council so they're only afraid of a possible batarian attack. This is no real trial. There is no evidence and what Shepard did was necessary. This trial is only called for to try and hold of the Batarians who were looking for an excuse to attack humanity and may just have found one.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 18 août 2011 - 05:34 .

[Leonia]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Thekill_3 wrote...

I rather have it on earth. I wanna see it before it gets destroyed.

This. It may contradict the codex's entry on Arcturus Station, but I'm willing to go along for the epic factor.

Besides, the Reapers can destroy the Arcturus station with ease. Oh, that was a short game. Shepard had a trial and then died.

I would expect that the vast majority of the Alliance fleet would be near Arcturus Station but it would be harder to defend regardless.

[Jestina]

Shepard should be asking for his back pay too while he's at it...when they thought he was dead. He probably has multiple court dates too, with the Alliance and then with the Council.

[TheOptimist]

Il Divo wrote...
Spectres do have a great deal of freedom, but Mass Effect did make clear that the Spectres still have to answer to the Council, as Saren losing his Spectre status demonstrates. The question was whether the Council could get their hands on Saren, not whether they had the political power to stop him.

True.  Then again, given that:
1: The Council is actively engaged in denying the Reaper threat and does not want to give Shepard a forum to voice his/her evidence to the contrary; and

2: The Batarians have no way to launch a complaint on the Citadel due to closing their embassy themselves a few decades before the events of the games;

the Council may very well be content to leave this to the Alliance as an internal matter, provided the 'correct' verdict is reached. 

[Leonia]

The only fly in the ointment is Shepard's potential Spectre status.

[esalor]

I keep reading Shepard is tried in a court martial but all I remember hearing from devs is that he is in a hearing, accounting for his actions.
There is a difference, no?
Is this being a court-martial confirmed? Can someone be kind enough to share the source?

[Arppis]

Oh, I read: "Why is Shepard TIRED on earth?". XD

[MarauderESP]

im just imaginig......

Court on earth

Shepplo: ....well the reapers where about to....
Court: !!THE REAPERS DONT EXIST.... !!!!
*reaper lands outside and can be seen from the window*
Shepplo: ....sure, and what is that then?....
Court: GETH THAT IS A GETH!!!!......
Shepplo: .....oh dear, i will just let them kill all of this idiots.....

[Candidate 88766]

Maybe Arcturus doesn't have the space to hold a court? Shepard's trial needs to be fairly public to ensure the Batarians know it wasn't the Alliance's doing, and the Station may not be equipped with a court large enough for such a trial. or maybe trials on the Station cannot be televised due to the nature of the Station, defeating the purpose of the trial in the first place.

Its hardly a stretch to imagine that the Alliance has courts on Earth.

[The_Illusive]

Robhuzz wrote...
Also, Shepard's trial is mostly political in order to try and appease the Batarians - remember there is no reaper threat according to most of the alliance and the council so they're only afraid of a possible batarian attack. This is no real trial. There is no evidence and what Shepard did was necessary. This trial is only called for to try and hold of the Batarians who were looking for an excuse to attack humanity and may just have found one.

Yup.