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[CaptainHydra]

The_Illusive wrote...

Shepard: I call Harbringer as a witness.

*Harbringer storms in through the roof*

Harbringer: I will defend you personally!

WE ARE ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF THIS COURT MEETING!

[marshalleck]

Humanity doesn't want to go to war with batarians. Batarians don't make the distinction between Systems Alliance humans and Earth humans. They don't care that buried somewhere deep in the codex or a dev journal there's a single sentence claiming SA and Earth are independent powers. To them, human is human is human. Humans come from Earth. Ergo, Shepard is passed off to a kangaroo court on Earth where (s)he will be tried for crimes against sapience and hopefully the batarian lust for war will be diverted.

No plot hole, no plot hammering, it's fine. Deal with it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 août 2011 - 05:52 .

[Arppis]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanity doesn't want to go to war with batarians. Batarians don't make the distinction between Systems Alliance humans and Earth humans. They don't care that buried somewhere deep in the codex or a dev journal there's a single sentence claiming SA and Earth are independent powers. To them, human is human is human. Humans come from Earth. Ergo, Shepard is passed off to a kangaroo court on Earth where (s)he will be tried for crimes against sapience and hopefully the batarian lust for war will be diverted.

No plot hole, no plot hammering, it's fine. Deal with it.

Well said!

[Jestina]

Maybe Shepard will have an elcor lawyer.

[Sundance31us]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanity doesn't want to go to war with batarians. Batarians don't make the distinction between Systems Alliance humans and Earth humans. They don't care that buried somewhere deep in the codex or a dev journal there's a single sentence claiming SA and Earth are independent powers. To them, human is human is human. Humans come from Earth. Ergo, Shepard is passed off to a kangaroo court on Earth where (s)he will be tried for crimes against sapience and hopefully the batarian lust for war will be diverted.

No plot hole, no plot hammering, it's fine. Deal with it.

I think we need a "Deal with it" image.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanity doesn't want to go to war with batarians. Batarians don't make the distinction between Systems Alliance humans and Earth humans. They don't care that buried somewhere deep in the codex or a dev journal there's a single sentence claiming SA and Earth are independent powers. To them, human is human is human. Humans come from Earth. Ergo, Shepard is passed off to a kangaroo court on Earth where (s)he will be tried for crimes against sapience and hopefully the batarian lust for war will be diverted.

No plot hole, no plot hammering, it's fine. Deal with it.

Oh well...

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 18 août 2011 - 06:00 .

[Pride Demon]

Probably because the Alliance hopes to turn the situation in a public spectacle, this way they can be sure to look like they are doing something and can keep public unrest to a minimum: there are said to be a lot of protests on Earth due to the accusations against Shepard, if they had simply handed him/her over to the Batarians it's possible there would have been even full blown riots..

The_Illusive wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
"We the jury find the defendant-" *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

Shepard: I call Harbringer as a witness.

*Harbringer storms in through the roof*

Harbringer: I will defend you personally!

"I AM ASSUMING CONTROL OF THIS CASE!"

Modifié par Pride Demon, 18 août 2011 - 05:57 .

[Zkyire]

For the sake of the Batarians? I can buy that sure.

But..

The Reapers attack Batarian space first.

THEN come after Earth.

But the Reapers attack during Shepard's trial, meaning the Reapers would have alreday attacked/destroyed the Batarians before Shep even went to court.

..who are they trying to appease? The dead?

[marshalleck]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

For the sake of the Batarians? I can buy that sure.

But..

The Reapers attack Batarian space first.

THEN come after Earth.

But the Reapers attack during Shepard's trial, meaning the Reapers would have alreday attacked/destroyed the Batarians before Shep even went to court.

..who are they trying to appease? The dead?

We don't know what the timeframe of the Reaper attacks are. We do know they're attacking multiple species simultaneously. They could be working over batarians during the trial, but reports/intel (or lack thereof) have simply not raised awareness to that effect by the time the trial actually takes place. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 août 2011 - 06:03 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

For the sake of the Batarians? I can buy that sure.

But..

The Reapers attack Batarian space first.

THEN come after Earth.

But the Reapers attack during Shepard's trial, meaning the Reapers would have alreday attacked/destroyed the Batarians before Shep even went to court.

..who are they trying to appease? The dead?

There are no reapers.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 18 août 2011 - 06:02 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Pride Demon wrote...

"I AM ASSUMING CONTROL OF THIS CASE!"

where did you find that?

[Arppis]

Wouldn't it be cool if after saving the earth, the trial continues where it was interupted and they would sentence Shepard to death? BEST ENDING EVER!

"Well, atleast justice was served..." 

[celuloid]

To cut long story short:
Shepard was on stealth mission, his cover got blown when he was filmed on camera and now he faces trial on Earth because Alliance judicial authorities are located there. He got filmed - he now faces trial.

Ashley Williams: "They brought him [General Williams] back to Earth in irons. But there wasn't any trial".
This is the only reference I know of that speaks about Alliance courts in ME. Unless anyone happens to have other quote directly contradicting the court locations, the answer to "Why on Earth?" is: "The courts are there."

Modifié par celuloid, 18 août 2011 - 06:05 .

[CaptainHydra]

Jestina wrote...

Maybe Shepard will have an elcor lawyer.

I heard Sheploo will be represented by the galaxy's best lawyers: 'Bulk & Jelly', the famous Elcor and Hanar twins.

(in private to Hanar)

Jelly: This one believes a suitable settlement can not be reached.

(to courtroom)

Bulk: Unconvincingly; We would like to plea insanity.

[Sundance31us]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

For the sake of the Batarians? I can buy that sure.

But..

The Reapers attack Batarian space first.

THEN come after Earth.

But the Reapers attack during Shepard's trial, meaning the Reapers would have alreday attacked/destroyed the Batarians before Shep even went to court.

..who are they trying to appease? The dead?

Aratoht was a Batarian colony, kind of like a pit stop on the way to Earth.

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Aratoht

[Pride Demon]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

"I AM ASSUMING CONTROL OF THIS CASE!"

*snip*

where did you find that?

On photobucket... Either you google "harbinger assuming direct control of this crime scene" or you go here...

Hope it helps...

[Reptillius]

esalor wrote...

I keep reading Shepard is tried in a court martial but all I remember hearing from devs is that he is in a hearing, accounting for his actions.
There is a difference, no?
Is this being a court-martial confirmed? Can someone be kind enough to share the source?

Actually the word Trial is said many times. Not hearing.  A hearing isn't as public and bit less formal than a Trial.  What actually hasn't been directly said by any of them that I recall but has been assumed a lot is just which actions they are trying him for.  The Alliance realistically could find reasons to try him for most of ME2 for example... Or jsut go all wierd on us and be trying him for going MIA for 2 years from his military duties. 

[Beerfish]

The human race has to show that they are accountable to the batarians for the outrageous acts of Shepard thus they need to show they take his/her actions seriously and will deal with them. Not that hard to justify.

I suppose we could all go back in a time machine and point out that Nuremburg is not the place to hold that historic set of trials.

[Sisterofshane]

Jestina wrote...

Maybe Shepard will have an elcor lawyer.

Elcor: Specutively, just what evidence do you have to prepetuate this notion against my client?

During summation:

Elcor:With Seething Anger, My cilent was doing whatever was necessary to save the galaxy from eminent destruction.

[vader da slayer]

MarauderESP wrote...

wait sheploo is a specter.... soo why the alliance even botther?? ....

no his spectre status was revoked once the council learned of his involvement with Cerberus. the reinstatement was purely a gesture of good faith and not an actual reinstatement. Anderson says as much.

also Dremann999 hit the nail on the head. and after reading page 2 marshalleck also gets it.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 18 août 2011 - 06:27 .

[Reptillius]

vader da slayer wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

wait sheploo is a specter.... soo why the alliance even botther?? ....

no his spectre status was revoked once the council learned of his involvement with Cerberus. the reinstatement was purely a gesture of good faith and not an actual reinstatement. Anderson says as much.

also Dremann999 hit the nail on the head. and after reading page 2 marshalleck also gets it.

no his spectre status was revoked when he died... You don't keep it just because your dead.  it was offered back if you saved the council as a token offering...  Your still a Spectre but the council doesn't want to really hear from you about it for a long while so they don't end up with issues over it and the whole Reaper business that they slowly got calmed down.

In short your a spectre again but on the condition you stay far away and don't stir up the reaper threat idea again.

[vader da slayer]

Reptillius wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

wait sheploo is a specter.... soo why the alliance even botther?? ....

no his spectre status was revoked once the council learned of his involvement with Cerberus. the reinstatement was purely a gesture of good faith and not an actual reinstatement. Anderson says as much.

also Dremann999 hit the nail on the head. and after reading page 2 marshalleck also gets it.

no his spectre status was revoked when he died... You don't keep it just because your dead.  it was offered back if you saved the council as a token offering...  Your still a Spectre but the council doesn't want to really hear from you about it for a long while so they don't end up with issues over it and the whole Reaper business that they slowly got calmed down.

In short your a spectre again but on the condition you stay far away and don't stir up the reaper threat idea again.

they even say that they revoked it because of his involvement with Cerberus....

also they just say "dont cause trouble" they didn't mention Reapers. and Im pretty sure blowing up an entire system of 305,000 Batarians is "causing trouble" /turian-councilor-air-quotes

Modifié par vader da slayer, 18 août 2011 - 06:37 .

[Reptillius]

vader da slayer wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

wait sheploo is a specter.... soo why the alliance even botther?? ....

no his spectre status was revoked once the council learned of his involvement with Cerberus. the reinstatement was purely a gesture of good faith and not an actual reinstatement. Anderson says as much.

also Dremann999 hit the nail on the head. and after reading page 2 marshalleck also gets it.

no his spectre status was revoked when he died... You don't keep it just because your dead.  it was offered back if you saved the council as a token offering...  Your still a Spectre but the council doesn't want to really hear from you about it for a long while so they don't end up with issues over it and the whole Reaper business that they slowly got calmed down.

In short your a spectre again but on the condition you stay far away and don't stir up the reaper threat idea again.

they even say that they revoked it because of his involvement with Cerberus....

They say they revoked it because he was dead. they follow it up with questioning his judgement because he is involved with Cerberus. That makes them uncomfortable as rightly it should considering cerberus is Anti-Alien.  Then they offer Spectre status back with the condition that you stay in the Traverse for as long as your involved with Cerberus and whatever else. Which you can accept. So you get spectre status back but as long as you stay far out where Spectre Status means very little for a long while.

Anderson then says that he had to fight with them to get you that much for saving their lives because of their refusal stance on the whole Repear issue so they didn't want to give you anything because it would be like saying the Reapers existed.

[TheOptimist]

vader da slayer wrote...
they even say that they revoked it because of his involvement with Cerberus....

also they just say "dont cause trouble" they didn't mention Reapers. and Im pretty sure blowing up an entire system of 305,000 Batarians is "causing trouble" /turian-councilor-air-quotes

They don't say anything about revoking it because of your involvement with Cerberus.  They're worried about giving it BACK because of your insistence the Reapers are real and your relationship with Cerberus, but they clearly say they're reinstating you as a symbolic gesture.  Now, you have a point that Shepard doesn't exactly follow the 'keep a low profile and stay in the Terminus Systems' end of the bargain, but we've seen nothing to suggest a revocation of Spectre status as of yet.

[esalor]

Reptillius wrote...

esalor wrote...

I keep reading Shepard is tried in a court martial but all I remember hearing from devs is that he is in a hearing, accounting for his actions.
There is a difference, no?
Is this being a court-martial confirmed? Can someone be kind enough to share the source?

Actually the word Trial is said many times. Not hearing.  A hearing isn't as public and bit less formal than a Trial.  What actually hasn't been directly said by any of them that I recall but has been assumed a lot is just which actions they are trying him for.  The Alliance realistically could find reasons to try him for most of ME2 for example... Or jsut go all wierd on us and be trying him for going MIA for 2 years from his military duties. 

Thanks for the response. My recollection must be incorrect.

The most relevant in-game reference to what will happen is still Hackett's debrief after Arrival, correct?

Also, do we know what exactly Anderson says to Shepard at the end of the Earth demo? All instances of it have dev voiceovers in them.