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Why Is Shepard being tried on Earth?


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#101
Mr. MannlyMan

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Il Divo wrote...

Thekill_3 wrote...

I rather have it on earth. I wanna see it before it gets destroyed.


This. It may contradict the codex's entry on Arcturus Station, but I'm willing to go along for the epic factor.


I'd honestly like it better if Shepard was being tried on Arcturus, reports about Earth's downfall started coming in, and then we headed for Earth as part of a large defense fleet. Shepard goes in to evacuate some high-ranking members of the Alliance, including Anderson, but he's forced to flee before he can get them out.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Then do yourself (and those of us actively discussing this topic) a favor by self-moderating and staying out of the topic. It saves us from reading your bemoaning and we can carry on with little distraction.


It's funny, because deciding whenever Cerberus are a bunch of terrorists or not have little to do with this topic, since both the Alliance and the Council both think that Cerberus are in fact terrorists, and I really doubt Shepard's opinion on the matter will carry much weight.

Thus rendering the whole thing...pointless.

Then show some self restraint and stay away from this pointless debate. Pretty sure the bunch in here can certainly keep track of the topic even with a segue along the fringes for a bit.

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

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Did the Japanese ask for permission when they bombed Pearl Harbor?

Permission has nothing to do with it.



So Cerberus went in unannounced (like terrorists), and attacked (like terrorists).

This rationale is utterly juvenile. If these are the criteria, almost any covert action by anyone in the galaxy is "terrorist."


Yes, depending on your perspective.


What's really scary here is how receptive you are to being beguiled into thinking anyone the state finds undesirable is actually a terrorist. 

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

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Attacking the migrant fleet was a terrorist act however.

That was a military action to acquire assets. Any political fallout was incidental.


So was September 11th.

Tasteless and simply wrong-headed to boot. Cerberus went to the fleet in Ascension to recover Gillian. That the quarians resisted and combat broke out was unfortunate.


Did Cerberus ask for permission?

No. How does that make it a terrorist act? 


Since when did terrorists ask for permission?

If I take your cookie and eat it, without asking for permission, does that make me terrorist as well?

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
The US Navy SEALs are terrorists?
thats terrifying.

If your on the opposite end of the stick...
Terrorist seems  like a subjective term to me

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 19 août 2011 - 02:35 .


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"Why is Shepard being tried on Earth?"

I dunno, we need Zulu's input on this.....

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Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

I'd honestly like it better if Shepard was being tried on Arcturus, reports about Earth's downfall started coming in, and then we headed for Earth as part of a large defense fleet. Shepard goes in to evacuate some high-ranking members of the Alliance, including Anderson, but he's forced to flee before he can get them out.


You, me, and probably a lot of others, would have liked this. As it is we are given a set starting point, regardless of its deviation from certain lore aspects. *sigh*

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As most people have said, it's Bioware deciding to throw the plot hammer in our face so Shepard has a reason to be on Earth when the Reapers invade. This could have been a great opening instead by looking at our decision in ME2 as to whether we accepted being a spectre again or not.

If we did accept, why not have it on the Citadel? The alliance have no jurisdiction over spectres regardless of their race. If we didn't get spectre status back; why not Arcturus Station? It's the headquarters and parliament of the Alliance military and Shepard can be put on trial there because he isn't part of the council anymore.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...
If I take your cookie and eat it, without asking for permission, does that make me terrorist as well?

WOAH WOAH WOAH
Take my cookie and eat it? That's just taking it too far man I can't even stay here

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

If I take your cookie and eat it, without asking for permission, does that make me terrorist as well?


Worse. A cookie-ist. <jacob>THROWING UP A BARRIER!</jacob>

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Seboist wrote...

"Why is Shepard being tried on Earth?"

I dunno, we need Zulu's input on this.....

*Insert 30 paragraph conspiracy theory*

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 19 août 2011 - 02:39 .


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Man, I was going to answer the original post but this topic has gone completely off the tracks.

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marshalleck wrote...

What's really scary here is how receptive you are to being beguiled into thinking anyone the state finds undesirable is actually a terrorist. 


That's completely wrong. I only believe it if there is actual evidence of terrorism.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

"Why is Shepard being tried on Earth?"

I dunno, we need Zulu's input on this.....

*Instert 30 paragraph conspiracy theory*

*link to a second thread as answer*

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

If I take your cookie and eat it, without asking for permission, does that make me terrorist as well?


Exaggeration much?

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Seboist wrote...

"Why is Shepard being tried on Earth?"

I dunno, we need Zulu's input on this.....


Except for that (as some here would agree), it is not simply the Alliance trying to save face here.  Humanity is putting Shep "on trial" to avert a war with the Batarians.

Seat of humanity = Earth.  There will be a huge, public grandstand against Shep.  They are trying to create a spectacle so that they can appease the Batarians.

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justgimmedudedammit wrote...

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c. I hope the trial isn't just a political maneuver. No one should have carte blanche to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives without being compelled to justify it in a meaningful inquest. I do accept the Deus Ex Machina of Shepard being cleared by the trial, but even his supporters should be left feeling sick at the scale of the horror.


Someone needs to pay and Shepard is the best candidate for this. For my canon run I accept this fate knowing what the implications are otherwise. Also, given Hackett's personal debriefing of Shepard, some of that feeling of horror/disbelief was conveyed.


For my part it's less a need for someone to pay than a revulsion at the idea that someone should have the ability to make that kind of decision without being called upon to defend it. It was certainly the only option presented in the game, and in the context it was a much better option than letting the Reapers start up unopposed. But if the trial is just treated as a formality, then it'll be a damned shame.

The paragon vs renegade system aside the series has had Shepard ankle-deep in moral ambiguity the whole time and it'd be a tremendous waste of potential if the developers just wave their hands and it becomes a non-issue.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...
"Why is Shepard being tried on Earth?"
I dunno, we need Zulu's input on this.....

*Instert 30 paragraph conspiracy theory*

*link to a second thread as answer*

WIN!

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because none of this is actually real and bioware wants to show earth.. period

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

Because when you're getting tried for war crimes, you're put on trial in your own country/planet. [snip]


Generally speaking this is what happens for show trials, otherwise you can expect major war criminals to be taken outside their homeland where people can be less biased. Assuming of course a fair trial is the objective.

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Goneaviking wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Because when you're getting tried for war crimes, you're put on trial in your own country/planet. [snip]


Generally speaking this is what happens for show trials, otherwise you can expect major war criminals to be taken outside their homeland where people can be less biased. Assuming of course a fair trial is the objective.


Yes!  The Alliance is really doing Shepard a favor -- they could just as easily have just handed him/her off to the Batarians and said "This is the responsible person, do what you will".

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Goneaviking wrote...

The paragon vs renegade system aside the series has had Shepard ankle-deep in moral ambiguity the whole time and it'd be a tremendous waste of potential if the developers just wave their hands and it becomes a non-issue.

Indeed. Unfortunately from the early demos and trailers it appears to amount to precisely that. Sure want to be pleasantly surprised and proven wrong.

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

What's really scary here is how receptive you are to being beguiled into thinking anyone the state finds undesirable is actually a terrorist. 


That's completely wrong. I only believe it if there is actual evidence of terrorism.

Which is... what exactly? The media describing it as such?


Someone With Mass wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

"Why is Shepard being tried on Earth?"

I dunno, we need Zulu's input on this.....

*Instert 30 paragraph conspiracy theory*

*link to a second thread as answer*

It's rooted pretty deep, isn't it?

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

Because when you're getting tried for war crimes, you're put on trial in your own country/planet. Since The Batarians are not a Citadel race, this doesn't concern the Council (as long as Earth takes action against Shepard.)

You're forgetting that Earth is only Shepard's home planet for one of his/her three Background histories - going by that logic, then the other Shepards who aren't an Earthborn should then be tried on Mindoir or in space on Arcturus Station.

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AVPen wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Because when you're getting tried for war crimes, you're put on trial in your own country/planet. Since The Batarians are not a Citadel race, this doesn't concern the Council (as long as Earth takes action against Shepard.)

You're forgetting that Earth is only Shepard's home planet for one of his/her three Background histories - going by that logic, then the other Shepards who aren't an Earthborn should then be tried on Mindoir or in space on Arcturus Station.



Shepard is human. Earth is the homeworld of humanity. Earth is Shepard's homeworld as a natural consequence of biology, and (s)he is inextricably linked to it. As a human you belong to Earth, and Earth belongs to you.

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 août 2011 - 04:23 .