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[MrFob]

Arcian wrote...

They punched their way into the galaxy from dark space in a few years. What makes you think "trapping" them in isolated systems would do any difference?
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We don't know the specifics of what happened there. However, I agree, the reapers might have tech that let's them travel much more freely than us. One of the problems I mentioned.

Oh my god, are you serious? Do you honestly think space is empty between star clusters?

I am serious. Let me quote from the codex for ya:

Even mass-effect-FTL drive is slow relative to the volume of the galaxy. Empty space and systems without suitable drive discharge sites are barriers to exploration. Only the mass relays allow ships to jump hundreds of light years in an instant, the key to expanding across an otherwise impassable galaxy.

Got to go, be back alter. cheers

Modifié par MrFob, 19 août 2011 - 08:02 .

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

It is? Damn, I gotta start reading better....

Hm, I was checking the wiki entry, and this is not stated. I know that I read it somewhere though...

I may need to retract the statement about it being in a codex entry, but I was sure I read it in there somewhere...

[ThePwener]

SandTrout wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

It is? Damn, I gotta start reading better....

Hm, I was checking the wiki entry, and this is not stated. I know that I read it somewhere though...

I may need to retract the statement about it being in a codex entry, but I was sure I read it in there somewhere...

Don't worry, Im not like the rest of these idiots lovely people. I believe you.

[ThePwener]

jreezy wrote...

I think the only reason he was defeated was because he didn't leave Saren's possessed body in time.

Jackpot! We've got a winner.

[Reptillius]

Arcian wrote...

MrFob wrote...

I thought about something like that as well. Lure the reapers into isolated systems. Destroy the mass relay network and trap them there. ither they will run out of energy eventually or at least it will give everyone decades, if not centuries to come up with a solution.

They punched their way into the galaxy from dark space in a few years. What makes you think "trapping" them in isolated systems would do any difference?

MrFob wrote...

Actually. Arrival more than anything points out that we would not be isolating them at all... The events of the Arrival DLC slow the Reapers down by a year at most... dates suggest less than that...  And the reapers started on the move at the end of ME1 so they have been moving and nearly reached a point to start using the Mass Relays for themselves in just 3 years from where ever they were.

Luring them into isolated systems and destroying Mass Relays would not really trap them. It would just slow them down... you'd get a few years reprieve at most from them.  There is also evidence that even while most species aren't quite as capable of long distance communication that the Reapers do in fact have it.  Which means they could potentially co-ordinate their attacks and strategies even while they are moving into range to make their attacks again from these "isolated" clusters.

edit:quoting error fixed

Modifié par Reptillius, 19 août 2011 - 08:25 .

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

Don't worry, Im not like the rest of these idiots lovely people. I believe you.

Meh, I am a questionable source. Where is didymos when you need him...

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I think the only reason he was defeated was because he didn't leave Saren's possessed body in time.

Jackpot! We've got a winner.

Evidence of this is circumstatantial at best, especially because Sovereign would be a comicly inept villain if it knowingly exposed itself like that.

[ThePwener]

SandTrout wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I think the only reason he was defeated was because he didn't leave Saren's possessed body in time.

Jackpot! We've got a winner.

Evidence of this is circumstatantial at best, especially because Sovereign would be a comicly inept villain if it knowingly exposed itself like that.

It's like having your nerveous system connected to a second body. If that body suffers exteme trauma (total obliteration in this case), then your own body will also suffer. Sovereign suffered from a total system shutdown.

[ThePwener]

Arcian wrote...

Oh look, the almighty RAIBOWS! I am compelled to be in awe of it's impeccable scientific accuracy.

If only I had a single credit for every contradiction....

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

It's like having your nerveous system connected to a second body. If that body suffers exteme trauma (total obliteration in this case), then your own body will also suffer. Sovereign suffered from a total system shutdown.

I understand the theory, but that is making a huge assumption about how connected Sovereign was to Saren. It could be as close as a remote-control car and its controller, for all we know. Also, that doesn't explain why Sovereign would choose to expose himself to being crippled by a soldier while fighting off a fleet of frigates and cruisers.

[PHub88]

For one for the Galaxy to win. Obviously many many MANY Reapers are going to be defeated. Its not going to be like Sovereign where all of itself was destroyed and given some lame excuse for all of its remains to be gone. With thousands of Reapers being destroyed in and around earth, and the Galaxy. Say for example they did have to destroy the Relays. Having a azzton of dead Reapers to study is going to be an even bigger surge than discovering the Prothean tech on Mars and would advance our tech enough to where we would travel MUCH faster. Also with us using the Relays for this long anyways I would have to imagine they have been researched quite a bit by now plus with all the dead Reapers there will be it shouldnt be THAT hard to develop the Relays again.

But I highly doubt any of this happens anyways because IMO anyways disabling the relays now that I think of it would actually benefit the Reapers and in all honestly if I was the Reapers once we where all in postion I WOULD disable them. The Reapers are obviously more advanced and can travel the distance they have to anyways (the ME2 ending). So with no Relays all you basically did was delay the Reapers "Arrival". It would improve the Reapers odds because they could simply invade each Star system 100s of Reapers at a time easily destroying everything. While for the Galaxy no relays means getting NO backup, and giving no backup.

The Galaxy needs the Mass Relays far more than the Reapers do. Pretty much the entire bottom line of both stories in ME1 and ME2 were denying Reapers access to Relays and simplying delaying the inevitable. EVENTUALLY they are going to get where they need to be. We on the other hand, lack the technology to do this.

[ThePwener]

SandTrout wrote...

I understand the theory, but that is making a huge assumption about how connected Sovereign was to Saren. It could be as close as a remote-control car and its controller, for all we know. Also, that doesn't explain why Sovereign would choose to expose himself to being crippled by a soldier while fighting off a fleet of frigates and cruisers.

Because as long as Shepard was in the Citadel's master control, Sovereign couldn't open up the relay. He needed to manually deactivate the failsafe. That's what Saren was for all along.

[SandTrout]

Because as long as Shepard was in the Citadel's master control, Sovereign couldn't open up the relay. He needed to manually deactivate the failsafe. That's what Saren was for all along.

Then why not wait until all of the frigates and cruisers were dead, then?

[Reptillius]

Vigil actually states that taking control of usage of the Mass Relays is one of the tools to put the protheans in disarray to better and more quickly to exterminate them. So yes. it would in fact play into the reapers plans since it was part of their origional way of doing things. They may even have work arounds if they are simply disabled.

[PHub88]

SandTrout wrote...

Because as long as Shepard was in the Citadel's master control, Sovereign couldn't open up the relay. He needed to manually deactivate the failsafe. That's what Saren was for all along.

Then why not wait until all of the frigates and cruisers were dead, then?

Because he simply under estimated Shepard, one of the main aspects of the series itself is humanitys will. It would have been irrelevant because Sovereign obviously believed he would succeed and the Reaper horde would pour in and crush all the ships within seconds.

[didymos1120]

SandTrout wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Don't worry, Im not like the rest of these idiots lovely people. I believe you.

Meh, I am a questionable source. Where is didymos when you need him...

I don't think a ship could discharge using an asteroid.  Or at least, for the few asteroids that are magnetized, the field would be so weak as to be the next best thing to useless.  Getting rid of drive charge takes quite awhile when you're working below planet level:

The safest way to discharge a core is to land on a planet and establish a connection to the ground, like a lightning rod. Larger vessels like dreadnoughts cannot land and must discharge into a planetary magnetic field1.

As the hull discharges, sheets of lightning jump away into the field, creating beautiful auroral displays on the planet. The ship must retract its sensors and weapons while dumping charge to prevent damage, leaving it blind and helpless. Discharging at a moon with a weak magnetic field can take days. Discharging into the powerful field of a gas giant may require less than an hour.

And generally, moons have very weak magnetic fields relative to planets.

[SandTrout]

Because he simply under estimated Shepard, one of the main aspects of the series itself is humanitys will. It would have been irrelevant because Sovereign obviously believed he would succeed and the Reaper horde would pour in and crush all the ships within seconds.

It is still an unnecessary risk unless Sovereign was going to be destroyed by the fleet anyways. Exposing yourself in any way that is not necessary during a life and death struggle is stupid. I don't want the Reapers to be relegated to the status villains that fail because of facepalm-worthy stupidity.

[SandTrout]

@didymos1120,

I do not tell you that I love you often enough.

[ThePwener]

SandTrout wrote...

was going to be destroyed by the fleet anyways. Exposing yourself in any way that is not necessary during a life and death struggle is stupid. I don't want the Reapers to be relegated to the status villains that fail because of facepalm-worthy stupidity.

Sovereign's shields (the Reaper fleet's true power) were never going to be penetrated. If Shepard hadn't taken down zombie-robot-Saren then 5th fleet would have been toast.

[PHub88]

SandTrout wrote...

Because he simply under estimated Shepard, one of the main aspects of the series itself is humanitys will. It would have been irrelevant because Sovereign obviously believed he would succeed and the Reaper horde would pour in and crush all the ships within seconds.

It is still an unnecessary risk unless Sovereign was going to be destroyed by the fleet anyways. Exposing yourself in any way that is not necessary during a life and death struggle is stupid. I don't want the Reapers to be relegated to the status villains that fail because of facepalm-worthy stupidity.

But it wasn't unnecessary, he HAD to stop Shepard or else he wouldn't be able to open it up for the horde to come pouring in. Sovereigns only mistake was underestimating Shepard. I mean, he could have just stopped and engaged the ships trying to destroy him but remember what Vigil said? Sovereign obviously would have destroyed a hell of a lot more ships, but in the end without him getting the horde in he would eventually be defeated and the entire thing would be pointless. Thats why he takes the risk taking out Shepard. With Shepard alive he loses regardless. Other than that, well, its like they always say "you wouldnt have a movie"

[SandTrout]

But it wasn't unnecessary, he HAD to stop Shepard or else he wouldn't be able to open it up for the horde to come pouring in. Sovereigns only mistake was underestimating Shepard.

The fact that he needed to get rid of Shepard right then is what makes the idea that Sovereign could not have been taken down by the fleet ludicrous, especially when there was an entire fleet of Geth outside that could have dealt with Shepard. The rest of the Reapers have waited 50,000 years. They can wait another half-hour.

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

was going to be destroyed by the fleet anyways. Exposing yourself in any way that is not necessary during a life and death struggle is stupid. I don't want the Reapers to be relegated to the status villains that fail because of facepalm-worthy stupidity.

Sovereign's shields (the Reaper fleet's true power) were never going to be penetrated. If Shepard hadn't taken down zombie-robot-Saren then 5th fleet would have been toast.

How do you know that Sovereigns shields were never going to be penetrated? It is impossible to determine how far an enemy's shields are from falling until they do, or you have past experience to base it on. Noone living had ever fought a Reaper before, so there is no baseline to judge it by.