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[TEWR]

Matt2222 wrote...

all i know is that in both paths u kill her clan i know i did at least i bet everyone here did too
Mahariel is gonna be pissed when he finds out......

The clan lives if you take responsibility for Merrill and saying it's her fault. I always choose that and roleplay my Hawkes to saying something he doesn't believe to be true but knows it's what the clan wants to hear.

Basically, my Hawkes just tell them what they want to hear, despite my Hawkes believing otherwise.

And Anessen Mahariel would support Merrill and be glad that she fell in love with Hawke. Of course he'd be saddened that they're no longer able to "frolick in the woods", but he's with Morrigan now. So he can't really be mad at her for being with a human.

He also would call Marethari what she is. An idiot. After he finds out that the shard was cleansed and with Merrill for 7 years and she isn't tainted (something Wardens can sense since Anders could sense the Blight disease in the siblings) and that Merrill told Marethari this, he'd wonder why Marethari spread baseless lies around the clan that poisoned her standing with them and then asked her to return.

[Matt2222]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Matt2222 wrote...

all i know is that in both paths u kill her clan i know i did at least i bet everyone here did too
Mahariel is gonna be pissed when he finds out......

The clan lives if you take responsibility for Merrill and saying it's her fault. I always choose that and roleplay my Hawkes to saying something he doesn't believe to be true but knows it's what the clan wants to hear.

Basically, my Hawkes just tell them what they want to hear, despite my Hawkes believing otherwise.

And Anessen Mahariel would support Merrill and be glad that she fell in love with Hawke. Of course he'd be saddened that they're no longer able to "frolick in the woods", but he's with Morrigan now. So he can't really be mad at her for being with a human.

He also would call Marethari what she is. An idiot. After he finds out that the shard was cleansed and with Merrill for 7 years and she isn't tainted (something Wardens can sense since Anders could sense the Blight disease in the siblings) and that Merrill told Marethari this, he'd wonder why Marethari spread baseless lies around the clan that poisoned her standing with them and then asked her to return.

gee never thought of it like that good point....but what im saying is he kinda would be sad or mad that his entire clan is dead if u killed them but merrill was in his clan so i guess they are the only family they got left so he would let it slide i guess

[Matt2222]

i wouldnt mind seeing in DA3 some getback or consequence for killing her clan

[jlb524]

dragonflight288 wrote...

But what will Mahariel be pissed about? I think that depends on how the Warden is played by the player. Were I playing a Dalish, Mahariel would be upset with her clan for opposing Merrill's idea, which was actually doing what the Dalish claim to do.

I agree.  My Mahariel will be saddened but not upset with Merrill.  She always sympathized with Merrill, who was treated as an outsider in the clan, and suspects that her fellow clanmembers would be biased against Merrill no matter what she tried to accomplish.

Though, I  haven't gotten to that part yet in my Mahariel import, so I'm not sure what will happen to the clan.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The clan lives if you take responsibility for Merrill and saying it's her fault. I always choose that and roleplay my Hawkes to saying something he doesn't believe to be true but knows it's what the clan wants to hear.

Basically, my Hawkes just tell them what they want to hear, despite my Hawkes believing otherwise.

It's easy to RP it as such considering Hawke (in conversation with Merrill) can put the blame on Marethari before and after dealing with the clan.

IIRC, Hawke just tells Fenarel that she'll make sure Merrill doesn't harm anyone else with her blood magic...which is not the same as saying something like, "I'll make sure she never uses blood magic again. or "It's all Merrill's fault, she sucks!"

Modifié par jlb524, 02 septembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[Torax]

jlb524 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

But what will Mahariel be pissed about? I think that depends on how the Warden is played by the player. Were I playing a Dalish, Mahariel would be upset with her clan for opposing Merrill's idea, which was actually doing what the Dalish claim to do.

I agree.  My Mahariel will be saddened but not upset with Merrill.  She always sympathized with Merrill who was treated as an outsider in the clan.

Though, I  haven't gotten to that part yet in my Mahariel import, so I'm not sure what will happen to the clan.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The clan lives if you take responsibility for Merrill and saying it's her fault. I always choose that and roleplay my Hawkes to saying something he doesn't believe to be true but knows it's what the clan wants to hear.

Basically, my Hawkes just tell them what they want to hear, despite my Hawkes believing otherwise.

It's easy to RP it as such considering Hawke (in conversation with Merrill) can put the blame on Marethari before and after dealing with the clan.

IIRC, Hawke just tells Fenarel that she'll make sure Merrill doesn't harm anyone else with her blood magic...which is not the same as saying something like, "I'll make sure she never uses blood magic again. or "It's all Merrill's fault, she sucks!"

Aye, basically Hawke is telling the mob in front of them what they'd want to hear. Since many in the mob see Merrill and not their Keeper and she is covered in Blood. They already knew she used Blood Magic before and would just see her as a evil blood mage and would want her dead. To Fenarel's credit, he sees the same thing and uses his sway to get the rest of the clan to let it to go and grieve. Since in the end the Keeper sacrificed her own life for Merrill. In fact she went up there of her own free will. They all knew that. Knowing the final motivations is not necessary and to their credit the Clan walks away showing they are not the savages many rumor them to be.

[draken-heart]

 I bet merril had more work to do on her eluvian than morrigan did.

• Merrill needs to cleanse the mirror fragment she has, she learns blood magic to do so.
• Merrill needs to fix the cracks in it, Friendship/Rivalry crisis moment here.
• 1) Friendship: fixing the cracks was not enough. Merrill needs the help of AUDACITY to find out the next part of fixing it. we kill Marethari, Merrill mourns her former mentor and puts away the mirrior.
• 2) Rivalry: Merrill hates Hawke. Now Merrill goes to AUDACITY to find another way to fix the eluvian. We still kill the keeper, only this time merrill realizes that she was an idiot and, in a rivalmance, she shatters the mirror.

Either way Merrill finally opens her eyes to the fact that The Mirror is not as important as she thought it was, Friendmance she continues to work on it, but in a longer timeframe, i think. Rivalmance, she sees that the mirror is nothing more than a peice of trash and destroys it.

• Friendmance is more "i love you Merrill and i trust that you know what you are doing" letting her see her own faults.
• Rivalmance is more "i love you Merrill, but look at what this "obsession" of yours has done. It caused the death of your keeper, and almost got you killed. It got you exiled from your clan and turned you to blood magic, which makes you a bright, shining beacon for possession. Is that worth fixing this thing?" making Merrill see that fixing the eluvian is not worth it if her people won't except her help.

Modifié par draken-heart, 03 septembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[draken-heart]

double post.

[LobselVith8]

Merrill doesn't continue working on it if Hawke is in Friendship with her, draken-heart, she abandons work on the Eluvian either way. I respected Merrill for being proactive in trying to aid her people, especially given how passive Hawke is for several years. Hawke doesn't do anything with his wealth or status, he does nothing about Meredith's dictatorship for three years, he never does any research or investigation about Quentin's note from "O," but Merrill is working on two thousand year old technology that could benefit her people across Thedas.

Is helping her people an "obsession" for Merrill? I don't see it any differently than Hawke's motivation to enter the Deep Roads, except Merrill is trying to help all the elves while Hawke is trying to help his family. I respect Merrill's actions over Hawke's inaction.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Merrill doesn't continue working on it if Hawke is in Friendship with her, draken-heart, she abandons work on the Eluvian either way. I respected Merrill for being proactive in trying to aid her people, especially given how passive Hawke is for several years. Hawke doesn't do anything with his wealth or status, he does nothing about Meredith's dictatorship for three years, he never does any research or investigation about Quentin's note from "O," but Merrill is working on two thousand year old technology that could benefit her people across Thedas.

Is helping her people an "obsession" for Merrill? I don't see it any differently than Hawke's motivation to enter the Deep Roads, except Merrill is trying to help all the elves while Hawke is trying to help his family. I respect Merrill's actions over Hawke's inaction.

That's not entirely accurate Lob. The Friendship romance path allows her to open her eyes and see what's most important to her: Hawke. The Eluvian becomes less of an obsession and instead becomes a dedicated project.

You can also encourage her to keep working on it on the friendship path, and she says she'll keep looking into ways to restore the mirror.

Rivalry seems to make her more obsessed, because she now wants to prove Hawke wrong. Without doing any metagaming, it actually seems to be more dangerous for her because she's determined to fix the Eluvian at all costs to prove everyone wrong.

[draken-heart]

^my post was just to make a point. that point was what each side of the Friend/rival meter was about in case of merrill. you know rivalry is just trying to protect someone from themselves sometimes.

Modifié par draken-heart, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Matt2222]

draken-heart wrote...

^my post was just to make a point. that point was what each side of the Friend/rival meter was about in case of merrill. you know rivalry is just trying to protect someone from themselves sometimes.

my point exactly.....thank you draken

[Sajuro]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Romanced her on the friendship path is best for me, because she's completely in the right.


EDIT: I find it incredibly painful to romance anyone else other than Merrill.

wait wait wait... you are telling me Hawke is able to romance someone other than Merrill? who the hell would do that?

[Matt2222]

Sajuro wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Romanced her on the friendship path is best for me, because she's completely in the right.


EDIT: I find it incredibly painful to romance anyone else other than Merrill.

wait wait wait... you are telling me Hawke is able to romance someone other than Merrill? who the hell would do that?

my thoughts exactly merrill is the only one for me

[Patchwork]

Finally put my Mahariel through Awakening so I'm all set for a Merrill romance. I've dubbed my next DA2 playthrough the Elf Run. I really hope Zev's flag has been fixed.

Leithe would be interested in Merrill's research into the Eluvian, dubious about her dealing with a demon but as long as she's not all mwahaha about the blood magic it wouldn't matter. If Merrill massacres the clan however there's no way she can forgive that.

[dragonflight288]

Leithe would be interested in Merrill's research into the Eluvian, dubious about her dealing with a demon but as long as she's not all mwahaha about the blood magic it wouldn't matter. If Merrill massacres the clan however there's no way she can forgive that.

Keep in mind who throws the first punch or fires the first arrow. Just a suggestion....

[Patchwork]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Leithe would be interested in Merrill's research into the Eluvian, dubious about her dealing with a demon but as long as she's not all mwahaha about the blood magic it wouldn't matter. If Merrill massacres the clan however there's no way she can forgive that.

Keep in mind who throws the first punch or fires the first arrow. Just a suggestion....

Do you think it matters when her entire family has been murdered?

[TEWR]

Ser Bard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Leithe would be interested in Merrill's research into the Eluvian, dubious about her dealing with a demon but as long as she's not all mwahaha about the blood magic it wouldn't matter. If Merrill massacres the clan however there's no way she can forgive that.

Keep in mind who throws the first punch or fires the first arrow. Just a suggestion....

Do you think it matters when her entire family has been murdered?

It should when the clan was just seeking somebody to use as an outlet for their needless rage instead of thinking things through.

Not to mention Marethari had been poisoning Merrill's standing with the clan after she left.

Though if a certain shemlen says he'll take responsibility of Merrill then nothing bad will happen (which isn't indicative of him actually believing it's Merrill's fault).

[dragonflight288]

Also remember that Merrill is part of that family Mahariel left behind. When the dalish warden left, none of the drama on Sundermount had happened. Heck, no one had any idea they would lose their halla there or that Merrill would leave the clan.

[Heimdall]

Merrill's friendship romance is my favorite of them all

[Matt2222]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Merrill's friendship romance is my favorite of them all

i agree

[rvayda141]

I've played through DA2 a few times now, and like most of you I find it difficult to not romance Merrill. I go in planning to try something different this time, but it never works out, no one else can stand up to Merrill's...Merrillness. I wanted to try to rivalmance her once, since I always ends up friendmancing her, but I find it impossible to do so. Being mean to Merrill just isn't possible, but the thing that really gets me is the flavor text on her friendship/rivalry bonuses. I'll read the friendship text then go down to the rivalry one, and it breaks my heart and resolve to rivalmance her every time.

[dragonflight288]

I still haven't gotten around to rivalmancing her.

[DrFumb1ezX]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I still haven't gotten around to rivalmancing her.

Why would you do such an unspeakable horror? You must be CLEANSED!
*Gandalf voice* YOU SHALL NOT RIVALMANCE!

[dragonflight288]

lol. I haven't had the heart too. I just thought once I had, I could see what all the Merrill haters may have to say about her....still haven't.

[DrFumb1ezX]

dragonflight288 wrote...

lol. I haven't had the heart too. I just thought once I had, I could see what all the Merrill haters may have to say about her....still haven't.

Those who hate Merrill are nothing but trolls who feed off the darkspawn corruption. They deserve no mercy.