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[legion999]

What is this? Mr. House hasn't even been born yet but is trolling BSN? Get back to making robots.

On topic I agree with Phaedon. (I'm tired and can't be bothered typing out each point)

[sp0ck 06]

Dionkey wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...
Read the codex dude.  The omni tool is capable of small scale manufacturing.  So the drones are just small pieces of alloy or whatever covered with a holographic shell for identification.  

So you would rather not have an omni blade...why?  It fits with the lore....

Just because its cool and you think its a "marketing buzz"?

I think melee combat was sorely lacking in both functionality and coolness in the first two games.  Considering how close quarters much of the combat is, a focus on special melee moves is a welcome addition to the game.  Would you rather we have a baton, or elbow spike?  Omni blade fits perfectly with the games vibe and is a much needed feature.

But where does the energy come from? It isn't explained. The omni-blade may 'fit' with the visual feel of the series, but it still doesn't make practical sense. A convential super-heated blade that jetted out of an attachment on your arm would be much more efficient and would not be a waste of energy or components. 

I would assume the omni blade is capable of infusing electrical energy into something like the combat drone...

Practical sense?  It doesn't make practical sense that every species speaks perfect English, that Shepard only ever has two team members with him, or any other million things.  Its a game dude.  The omni blade fits with the in game lore, matches the style and feel of the combat, is a good addition to gameplay, and its cool.  Nuff said.

EDIT:  One more thing.  "A conventional super-heated blade that jetted out of an attachment on your arm"  Uhhh..is that a joke?  How the heck is that any less ridiculous than the omni blade idea?  Who has a handy dandy super heated blade stowed up their arm, lol.

Modifié par sp0ck 06, 18 août 2011 - 10:10 .

[lolnoobs]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...
Read the codex dude.  The omni tool is capable of small scale manufacturing.  So the drones are just small pieces of alloy or whatever covered with a holographic shell for identification.  

So you would rather not have an omni blade...why?  It fits with the lore....

Just because its cool and you think its a "marketing buzz"?

I think melee combat was sorely lacking in both functionality and coolness in the first two games.  Considering how close quarters much of the combat is, a focus on special melee moves is a welcome addition to the game.  Would you rather we have a baton, or elbow spike?  Omni blade fits perfectly with the games vibe and is a much needed feature.

But where does the energy come from? It isn't explained. The omni-blade may 'fit' with the visual feel of the series, but it still doesn't make practical sense. A convential super-heated blade that jetted out of an attachment on your arm would be much more efficient and would not be a waste of energy or components. 

I would assume the omni blade is capable of infusing electrical energy into something like the combat drone...

Practical sense?  It doesn't make practical sense that every species speaks perfect English, that Shepard only ever has two team members with him, or any other million things.  Its a game dude.  The omni blade fits with the in game lore, matches the style and feel of the combat, is a good addition to gameplay, and its cool.  Nuff said.

All your examples make sense development/gameplay wise. Omni blades only exist for TEH AWESOME LOL KILL EXPLODE LOL people.

[sp0ck 06]

lolnoobs wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...
Read the codex dude.  The omni tool is capable of small scale manufacturing.  So the drones are just small pieces of alloy or whatever covered with a holographic shell for identification.  

So you would rather not have an omni blade...why?  It fits with the lore....

Just because its cool and you think its a "marketing buzz"?

I think melee combat was sorely lacking in both functionality and coolness in the first two games.  Considering how close quarters much of the combat is, a focus on special melee moves is a welcome addition to the game.  Would you rather we have a baton, or elbow spike?  Omni blade fits perfectly with the games vibe and is a much needed feature.

But where does the energy come from? It isn't explained. The omni-blade may 'fit' with the visual feel of the series, but it still doesn't make practical sense. A convential super-heated blade that jetted out of an attachment on your arm would be much more efficient and would not be a waste of energy or components. 

I would assume the omni blade is capable of infusing electrical energy into something like the combat drone...

Practical sense?  It doesn't make practical sense that every species speaks perfect English, that Shepard only ever has two team members with him, or any other million things.  Its a game dude.  The omni blade fits with the in game lore, matches the style and feel of the combat, is a good addition to gameplay, and its cool.  Nuff said.

All your examples make sense development/gameplay wise. Omni blades only exist for TEH AWESOME LOL KILL EXPLODE LOL people.

I assume your joking, unless you really liked the epic elbow jab and accompanying "UGH!  UGH!  UGH!  UGH!"  A melee power move is not just "teh awesome button," its a much needed gameplay addition.

[twisty77]

Mr.House wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

No, he said that Omni-tool technology is awesome.
Which is correct.

Do I need to post Combat Drone, Tech Armor and Shadow Broker's omni-shield pics again?

Tech-Armor and omni-shield don't kill. Combat drone shoots energy to kill people. Not the same.

Have you played with a sentinel? Because the tech armor def does have the power to kill when it is detonated.

[rikimeru420]

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

[Illiandri]

Are we seriously discussing whether a vital combat function that has been missing from the ME series is a COD fan draw? I wish I had the flippin omniblade through half the missions of ME1 where I find myself half the time flaying around like a spaz, rushing with my neverending ammo because the melee system is purely space contextual. I nearly cried manly tears of joys when in ME2 THE MELEE FUNCTION HAD ITS OWN BUTTON!

Concerning "lore", I prefer to enjoy retcons that add depth to the gameplay rather than stick to lore that was written for a game with possibly the best Sci-fi story up to date but with an extremely lacklustre combat system. What was the difference between the ME1 Infiltrator and the ME1 Engineer once you had unlocked rifles and had access to collosus armour?

The enhanced melee system that will be in ME3 allows for a more accurate roleplaying of certain classes. Who didn't want to use the ME2 Infiltrator and turn Shepard into a 23rd century Altair? All the cloak did was hide you for 30s while you run for cover. Now we have the ability to cloak, sneak up and take out an enemy silently, you know like a real life infiltrator ala SAS.
Who didn't want to use the biotics to slam people just like all the characters could in cutscenes? The jarringness of segregation of story and gameplay concerning my biotic Shepard felt horrible. Why could Jack launch chairs and Liara push people away when the best my biotic Shepard could do is slam into an enemy WWE style?

The omniblade is nothing more than an advance of Geth technology as seen in BOTH ME utilised: 1: to increase the immersion of playing as a commando 2: for aggresive purposes.

[Someone With Mass]

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

[rikimeru420]

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

[Illiandri]

rikimeru420 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

Really? Have you ever been in combat real or training concerning urban areas? Do you know how often a pointy object is used in these cases? Let me tell you. Quite a bit. During my conscription we had to learn to use bayonetes for urban assaults. Bayonettes in a modern 21st century army?!?! And I was a tankboy!!!

Point I want to make is that a knife, in any form, is valuable for any soldier. Lets not forget that the advent of shielding will lead either to ranged weapons of increasingly destructive magnitude or the advent of close combat weaponry that can bypass such shielding. Take for example the Dune Universe!!

Modifié par Illiandri, 18 août 2011 - 10:51 .

[Nashiktal]

Not only is the omniblade not lore breaking, (unlike biotics in game) but the potential for it has been around since me1.

R.T.C

Read The Codex

[rikimeru420]

Illiandri wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

Really? Have you ever been in combat real or training concerning urban areas? Do you know how often a pointy object is used in these cases? Let me tell you. Quite a bit. During my conscription we had to learn to use bayonetes for urban assaults. Bayonettes in a modern 21st century army?!?! And I was a tankboy!!!

Point I want to make is that a knife, in any form, is valuable for any soldier. Lets not forget that the advent of shielding will lead either to ranged weapons of increasingly destructive magnitude or the advent of close combat weaponry that can bypass such shielding. Take for example the Dune Universe!!

LOL ill tell ya what. you can come assault my house with your knife and ill use my m-4. we will see what is more useful. ill even let you in the house before i engage.

[sp0ck 06]

rikimeru420 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

You are a moron.  Keep playing on casual buddy.  There is a ton of CQB in the game, unless your a noob playing on the easiest setting.

The omni blade bears almost zero resemblence to the Halo sword.  The sword was a weapon, occupying one of your slots, and it had limited ammo.  It was more of a power weapon.  The omni blade is a power melee attack, not a weapon.  Also I guess you haven't seen star wars if you think Halo invented the idea of an energy sword.

It's ok though, keep threatening people on a forum with your airsoft "M-4".  Typical internet gangster.

[Illiandri]

rikimeru420 wrote...

Illiandri wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

Really? Have you ever been in combat real or training concerning urban areas? Do you know how often a pointy object is used in these cases? Let me tell you. Quite a bit. During my conscription we had to learn to use bayonetes for urban assaults. Bayonettes in a modern 21st century army?!?! And I was a tankboy!!!

Point I want to make is that a knife, in any form, is valuable for any soldier. Lets not forget that the advent of shielding will lead either to ranged weapons of increasingly destructive magnitude or the advent of close combat weaponry that can bypass such shielding. Take for example the Dune Universe!!

LOL ill tell ya what. you can come assault my house with your knife and ill use my m-4. we will see what is more useful. ill even let you in the house before i engage.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. YOU HAVE A M-4? What do you need it for? Where the hell do you live? Iraq? Afghanistan? This is brilliant. Oh God my sides. Calm down, deep breaths. Ok I have relaxed. Here have a read of this:

http://en.wikipedia....Army_Combatives

In real urban battlefields distances can be closed very quickly. It is required for the modern soldier to know basic close quarters combat invloving ranged, melee and unarmed. Therefore while ranged weaponry are predominant, the ability to call upon a close quarters weapon for assistance is invaluable.

BTW I was not extensively trained in CQC but if you want me to use the weapon I utilised during my conscription I would gladly get back in the commanding seat of a Leopard 1 A5.

Edited for extra hilarity

Modifié par Illiandri, 18 août 2011 - 11:48 .

[rikimeru420]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

You are a moron.  Keep playing on casual buddy.  There is a ton of CQB in the game, unless your a noob playing on the easiest setting.

The omni blade bears almost zero resemblence to the Halo sword.  The sword was a weapon, occupying one of your slots, and it had limited ammo.  It was more of a power weapon.  The omni blade is a power melee attack, not a weapon.  Also I guess you haven't seen star wars if you think Halo invented the idea of an energy sword.

It's ok though, keep threatening people on a forum with your airsoft "M-4".  Typical internet gangster.

learn to understand english better. function and and looks are two different things. i hate to break it to you but the omni blade is a weapon. unless knives and swords are not weapons but melee attacks. the only cqb in this game is there if you just charge in like a noob, irreguardless of difficulty level. as for your airsoft comment all i got to say is LOL keep grasping as straws.

[Illiandri]

rikimeru420 wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

You are a moron.  Keep playing on casual buddy.  There is a ton of CQB in the game, unless your a noob playing on the easiest setting.

The omni blade bears almost zero resemblence to the Halo sword.  The sword was a weapon, occupying one of your slots, and it had limited ammo.  It was more of a power weapon.  The omni blade is a power melee attack, not a weapon.  Also I guess you haven't seen star wars if you think Halo invented the idea of an energy sword.

It's ok though, keep threatening people on a forum with your airsoft "M-4".  Typical internet gangster.

learn to understand english better. function and and looks are two different things. i hate to break it to you but the omni blade is a weapon. unless knives and swords are not weapons but melee attacks. the only cqb in this game is there if you just charge in like a noob, irreguardless of difficulty level. as for your airsoft comment all i got to say is LOL keep grasping as straws.

Dude please stop. You are going to split my sides with your top level comedy. Knives and swords are weapons used in melee. Melee means close combat where all strategy is moot. Therefore melee attacks are attacks you perform in close combat either with your fists, swords, nunchakus etc.If you paid attention to English in school rather than thinking of polishing your M-4 you may have known that. I assume you never played Vanguard properly or fought a Krogan on the higher difficulties or a husk or even played ME1 where the AI would do little trips around you? I would bow out of this conversation if I was you with whatever dignity you have left. You did an excellent job entertaining us but the curtain must fall.

Also read Dune.

Also you never said where you live as to require a M-4?! Iraq? Egypt? Darfur?

Modifié par Illiandri, 19 août 2011 - 12:12 .

[rikimeru420]

Illiandri wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rikimeru420 wrote...

the omni blade is a stupid gimick that they should have left to halo.

I hope for the sake of all that is holy that people seriously don't think that Halo was the first to come up with energy swords.

There's nothing bad with it. I'd rather take that instead of having to do 25 melee attacks to kill one guy.

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

You are a moron.  Keep playing on casual buddy.  There is a ton of CQB in the game, unless your a noob playing on the easiest setting.

The omni blade bears almost zero resemblence to the Halo sword.  The sword was a weapon, occupying one of your slots, and it had limited ammo.  It was more of a power weapon.  The omni blade is a power melee attack, not a weapon.  Also I guess you haven't seen star wars if you think Halo invented the idea of an energy sword.

It's ok though, keep threatening people on a forum with your airsoft "M-4".  Typical internet gangster.

learn to understand english better. function and and looks are two different things. i hate to break it to you but the omni blade is a weapon. unless knives and swords are not weapons but melee attacks. the only cqb in this game is there if you just charge in like a noob, irreguardless of difficulty level. as for your airsoft comment all i got to say is LOL keep grasping as straws.

Dude please stop. You are going to split my sides with your top level comedy. Knives and swords are weapons used in melee. Melee means close combat where all strategy is moot. Therefore melee attacks are attacks you perform in close combat either with your fists, swords, nunchakus etc.If you paid attention to English in school rather than thinking of polishing your M-4 you may have known that. I assume you never played Vanguard properly or fought a Krogan on the higher difficulties or a husk or even played ME1 where the AI would do little trips around you? I would bow out of this conversation if I was you with whatever dignity you have left. You did an excellent job entertaining us but the curtain must fall.

Also read Dune.

Also you never said where you live as to require a M-4?! Iraq? Egypt? Darfur?

ive beat both me on all difficulties without ever having to use melee. its not very hard. i live in the united states, where you can buy almost any gun you want as long as your not a convicted felon or insane. is this game called mass effect:dune?

[Someone With Mass]

rikimeru420 wrote...

if you use your guns/squad properly there is no need for melee, which is why its nothing more than a stupid gimick and waste of development time.  nobody said halo came up with energy sword but the me omni blade functions exactly the same, complete with one hit kill lunge attack.

False. It's not a one-hit kill, nor is it a lunge attack. Then again, if you had actually paid attention, you would've known that.

[Faust1979]

 It's a sciencefiction game they can come up with just about an reasons to put in something like this, I think it could be cool  haven't seen them in action though I'm trying to stay away from videos so I don't spoil myself to much

[Nashiktal]

Actually it uses similar mechanics to dune, so it's not far off.

[Someone With Mass]

I get in melee pretty often as a Vanguard. Also, what do I do if there's a Cerberus trooper just around the corner? Start shooting? He'll whip out his nightstick and kick my ass before I can even bring down his shields with my guns if I play on Insanity, which I do quite often. Or what if I'm out of ammo? Should I just start staring at him?

[Nashiktal]

Also it should be noted, in "lore" shields last longer, and recharge slower, while at the same time anything can pass through the shield harmlessly as long as it's below a certain speed. (which melee attacks do)

In fact a war was won in the me universe using a parachute that took advantage of that weakness.

[crimzontearz]

tactics and squad render melee useless??

then why the hell are marines trained in hand to hand combat?????