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[CulturalGeekGirl]

Indeed, I almost always keep Anders, but I one of the things I appreciate most about Sebastian is that he does drive home that the 'evil empire' is made up of people who are other people's (surrogate) mothers. It's like if every time you stomped a koopa you had to see a cutscene of his mourning wife and children.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 19 août 2011 - 08:18 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

No. That and what Anders did are the only redeeming things about Act 3 imo. Keep it as it is.

[syllogi]

David Gaider wrote...

Of all the things I would even *want* to change about DA2, being forced to choose between Anders and Sebastian at the end is not one of them.

+1

I think at this point anyone who has played both DA:O and DA2 either appreciates hard choices in games, or is a masochist.

[Captain_Obvious]

J Muffin wrote...

  -SPOILERS ARE PRESENT- 

The Exiled Prince. Dragon Age II's version of The Stone Prisoner. New companion and his own personal quests to go along with it. When you get to the end of the game, you are FORCED to choose between Sebastian and Anders. I have asked BioWare staff themselves if there is any way at all to keep both of them, even with the new Legacy DLC, and all have said it is one or the other. This petition is here to change that. 

We can do this.

I know of one way you can have both, but it's a bug I think.  I play on a 360, and I completed the game before I purchased The Exiled Prince.  When Legacy came out, I went back to that save, the post-game save that I completed before I ever recruited Sebastian, and both he and Anders were available to be selected as companions when I went to the statue in the Hawke Estate to start Legacy.  On the quest list, it showed the Legacy quest, and it also showed that "Sebastian has something he wants to talk to you about in the Chantry."  Which is kinda silly, cuz the chantry was already blown to smithereens.  But, both he and Anders were available. 

[Heidenreich]

David Gaider wrote...

Of all the things I would even *want* to change about DA2, being forced to choose between Anders and Sebastian at the end is not one of them.

Out of the mouths of awesome

[silentstephi]

Sorry. Can't sign this. I like both characters for what they are. I may bemoan that I can't have both, but it wouldn't be Sebastian if he just 'rolled' with it.

I get what you're saying OP, I do, but part of what makes it such a sticking point with the player is that it is a tough decision.

Just like Virmire. People still have issues with that, but I don't.

[Avilia]

J Muffin wrote...

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Regardless of your opinions on Sebastian and/or Anders, to force a choice like that is wrong, especially to the people who spent money on the DLC. People buy the DLC thinking they're going to get a new companion to add to their arsenal which, while true, they are not aware that it pretty much kills your ending. Since I know it would be wrong and likely against policy to warn purchasers in the product description of what the DLC does with your final decision, many people have spent the money only to be given a false belief and in the end be disappointed, angered, and saddened. 

[snipped]

I've quoted this bit because its the bit I wanted to respond to.

He is in your arsenal for the whole of Act 2 and nearly all of Act 3.  If you make the decision to lose him he's gone for only the last part.  That seems fair for the cost of this DLC.

I'm not sure how losing an archer kills your ending but I suppose if Sebastian is a core part of your group it might.  The same could be said of Anders tbh - if he's a core part of your group and you lose him, it kills your game.

I don't want to sound snide but that's the whole point of making that decision - it has a consequence.  Its one of the few things in the game that does and you want to change it?

No thanks.

[Xilizhra]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Indeed, I almost always keep Anders, but I one of the things I appreciate most about Sebastian is that he does drive home that the 'evil empire' is made up of people who are other people's (surrogate) mothers. It's like if every time you stomped a koopa you had to see a cutscene of his mourning wife and children.

An interesting point, but also interesting would be to see everyone who died/mourned because of inaction on your part.

[smigetz]

i know a way to keep them both but unless you have legacy dlc its pointless

Modifié par smigetz, 20 août 2011 - 04:52 .

[ladyofpayne]

Yes, update Sebatian. Let him to care about Hawke after Leandra's death.

[asindre]

So change his personality just because he's gone in the last ten minutes of the game? No thank you.

[sylvanaerie]

Frankly, I found this the only time (aside from his intro) when Sebastian actually engendered some kind of emotional response from me.
Asking him to fight alongside the murderer of the woman who was like his mother, would be like asking Hawke to forgive Quinton and let him go.
I'm glad Mr Gaider has declined this option.
And for me the choice who to keep at the end is a no brainer.

Funny, there are a lot of similarities in this scenario and what happens at the Landsmeet.

A young man seeks justice for the loss of the only true family he's ever known, and the PC has to make the choice of what to do.  Choosing one over the other causes the loss of someone from your group, either yet to be recruited or already a member.

BTW, I always kill Loghain, and I always kill Anders.  My Warden/Hawke views neither of them as trustworthy at that point in the game.  And frankly, I wish the option to kill them turned up at the beginning instead of after they wreak havoc on everyone else around them.

But then, that would make DA a very short game indeed.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 21 août 2011 - 03:07 .

[WhiteKnyght]

David Gaider wrote...

Of all the things I would even *want* to change about DA2, being forced to choose between Anders and Sebastian at the end is not one of them.

lol epic.

But for curiosity's sake, what are the things you do *want* to change about DA2?

[Indoctrination]

These topics always seem strange to me. In some topics you see people arguing that choices don't matter and nothing changes regardless of what you pick. In other topics like this one, people complain that choices matter too much.

Having to choose Anders or Sebastian is an example of a choice done right in DA2. Sometimes you can't have your cake an eat it too. Something terrible has happened and it has caused conflict between two of your party members, neither of whom will back down from their beliefs on the issue. You have to choose who you will stand behind in the event, and hopefully there will be big consequences in the future. Perhaps Sebastian will return to take revenge with the army of Starkhaven if you side with Anders. If you side with Sebastian, perhaps Anders becomes a martyr and inspires a new group of mage fanatics who want your head.

If the choice is between gain and loss, there really is no choice, now is there? Why would you choose losses over gains? GOOD choices are the ones where the choices have different mixes of gains and loses. You gain A but lose B or you gain B but lose A. Or maybe you sacrifice both A and B to gain C. These are the kinds of choices that matter.

[Lestatman]

I just wanted the option to fight Seb then and there when you decide to either keep Anders alive or exile him but mabye I can fight him in a dlc later.

[aries1001]

After having finished both Legacy and DA2 and the Exiled Prince (aka Sebastian), I'll have to say that I liked being forced to choose between Seb and Anders in DA2's end game. I chose Anders because I thought that Seb was a way to idealistic and stuck to his principles kind of guy. Seb then threatened to come back and level Kirkwall with the Starkhaven army. And at that time, I just though, yeah, you do that. And then we'll battle it out....

[Leon481]

I understand wanting to keep both, but this choice worked. There was a valid reason for this choice that not only builds Sebastian's character but could have a huge effect on future storylines.

Now if this were a petition to keep both Bethany and Carver alive I'd sign that in a heartbeat. Now THAT was a pointless choice.

[AbsoluteApril]

not signed, sorry

I agree with esper, the only thing I would change about him is the ability to see/comment that Hawke is a mage. But perhaps then he would not be in the party at all? 

Rojahar wrote...

I wish, if anything, that there were more choices like it.

yes this! epic tough choices with major impact that affect the story = win

[VampOrchid]

I think you should be happy they even gave you Seb in the first place. He's a DLC, meaning he wasn't even going to be in the game in the first place. Wether or not you like or don't like the way the story went, that's the way it went.

In RL you can't go back and change mistakes, why should you be able to in an RPG?

I just look forward to what they might give us as an expansion or dlc. Maybe we can extend or LI's, maybe not. In the end, a petition solves nothing.

[DoNotIngest]

Seems like this huge-vast-behemoth majority of people who don't want choice is made up of you, OP.

[VampOrchid]

I would sign if it was to update scenes and extend stuff for Seb, like a comforting scene when mama hawke dies or something like that, or to extend his story within the game, but not to change anything major.

[Tamyn]

What I wish for is a line for Sebastian to kill Anders himself instead of forcing Hawke to do it with a dinky knife. "If you want him dead Sebastian, man up and do it yourself!"

[Gervaise]

My first run through after getting the DLC was with a female mage Hawke and I deliberately made her less sympathetic to Anders than my first mage was so I could rival him and thus have a few more options at the end. I liked Sebastian and my only regret is that he was a DLC and not an original character because with certain things, like mother's death and epilogue, he doesn't register as a romance, so my Hawke was left all alone, according to Varric's version of the story.

May be the choice between him and Anders was easier for me because I really hated what Anders did and whilst I spared him in my first couple of games, it was only so he could make amends to the poor Circle mages for what he did by helping defend them. I totally respect Sebastian for not wishing to stay with Hawke if he spares Anders and like David Gaider I would not want this changed. The threatening to return with an army is a bit OTT but it is said in the heat of the moment and knowing dear Sebastian he would start to doubt his intentions before it ever got that far. Bear in mind also that Sebastian usually lived at the Chantry, so when he asks you if he had been there, if you would even be asking the question, if you let Anders live you are effectively saying you don't care if he had died along with Elthina.

The only thing I would like different is that Sebastian simply goes ahead and fires his arrow through Anders without giving you the option to decide and so the choice becomes whether or not you want to keep Sebastian with you, reject him or kill him - I can hear the howls from Anders fans as I write this - and of course that could end up with you losing both of them, so on the whole I think the choice offered is probably the best one for all concerned.