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[Sharn01]

Savber100 wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...


i do not believe these lies. mostly because i stopped playing gears of war single player after the first game. the only choice you make in GoW is which gun yer gonna shoot and what knee youre aiming for

 I think this says a LOT about the effect that ME3's marketing is having. The emphasis on combat and action is really starting to make people think that Bioware just wants more 'exploshun' and fireworks.

Mr. Silverman needs to switch from the current intensive focus on action and switch to a focus on the RPG elements and the sense of finality for the last chapter.  

I think that bioware has given up on marketing to RPG fans.  We get what, two, or if where lucky, three games a year that are worth playing?  RPG fans have a tendency to do their own homework on what games carry the RPG title and determine if they are worth playing, and often play ones that arent that good because the market is so starved. 

Profit wise I think they feel its better to advertise to an audience that will play the game for six to twelve hours and shelve it with the other games they have never finished, this backfired for them with DA2, but then DA2 wasnt a very good game.  ME3 is almost certain to bring in most of the people who played ME and ME2, whichever one you liked better it probably hooked you on the series, and neither game is seen as poorly done by almost anyone, people have preferences and complaints, but you dont often see someone calling either game terrible.

Modifié par Sharn01, 23 août 2011 - 01:55 .

[ThePwener]

Sharn01 wrote...

I think that bioware has given up on marketing to RPG fans.  We get what, two, or if where lucky, three games a year that are worth playing?  RPG fans have a tendency to do their own homework on what games carry the RPG title and determine if they are worth playing, and often play ones that arent that good because the market is so starved. 

Profit wise I think they feel its better to advertise to an audience that will play the game for six to twelve hours and shelve it with the other games they have never finished, this backfired for them with DA2, but then DA2 wasnt a very good game.  ME3 is almost certain to bring in most of the people who played ME and ME2, whichever one you liked better it probably hooked you on the series, and neither game is seen as poorly done by almost anyone, people have preferences and complaints, but you dont often see someone calling either game terrible.

Yes. ME1 appealed to us, the RPG lovers. ME2 appealed to the COD and GoW lovers. ME3 follows the latter. It's a harsh truth (not really) but that's the reality. Any RPG people who were going to jump in did so in ME1. Everyone new is either in for the action.

Modifié par ThePwener, 23 août 2011 - 01:59 .

[Gatt9]

didymos1120 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

So i was just wondering if anyone else would like to tell me about how ME2's an RPG considering the Doc just made claims about RPG's being "Less relevant" and ME being a conversational shooter?

He's wrong about the RPG's,  but I'd really love to see how people continue to define it as an RPG when even the Docs say they don't intend for it to be one.

Yeah, well, your paraphrasing of what Zeschuk actually said leaves a lot to be desired accuracy-wise. Not a thing was said about it being a "conversational shooter", nor did he say it wasn't intended to be an RPG. 

Mmm...You're assuming that I meant it was all in the same article.  Bioware stopped referring to ME3 as an RPG awhile ago,  you've been on these boards,  did you miss those threads?

[Il Divo]

ThePwener wrote...

Yes. ME1 appealed to us, the RPG lovers. ME2 appealed to the COD and GoW lovers. ME3 follows the latter. It's a harsh truth (not really) but that's the reality. Any RPG people who were going to jump in did so in ME1. Everyone new is either in for the action.

Did it really? If Mass Effect was strictly intended for the RPG lovers, they would have designed a full RPG, not a hybrid. As Mass Effect was concerned, it did not appeal to me, either as an RPG or as a tps.

[Il Divo]

jreezy wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
Yes. ME1 appealed to us, the RPG lovers. ME2 appealed to the COD and GoW lovers. ME3 follows the latter. It's a harsh truth (not really) but that's the reality. Any RPG people who were going to jump in did so in ME1. Everyone new is either in for the action.

I thought people stating opinions as facts would've been over with by now but I guess not.<_<

Nah mate, it wouldn't be the internet without it.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I like both Mass Effect 1 and 2.

Modifié par SpEcIaLRyAn, 23 août 2011 - 02:24 .

[ThePwener]

jreezy wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I like both Mass Effect 1 and 2.

Apparently you're not allowed to like both Mass Effect 1 & 2 if some of the commenters in this thread have anything to say about it.

Im with Ryan. Everyone who has a negative opinion on that can kiss my ass.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

ThePwener wrote...

jreezy wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I like both Mass Effect 1 and 2.

Apparently you're not allowed to like both Mass Effect 1 & 2 if some of the commenters in this thread have anything to say about it.

Im with Ryan. Everyone who has a negative opinion on that can kiss my ass.

Haha I love that picture.

[didymos1120]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

Haha I love that picture.

Enh. It's been waaaaaaaaay overused at this point, along with all the "clever" variations on "Ah yes [insert noun here]", posts that solely consist of a "Priiiiize" reference, and topics about Tali's @#$%ing face.

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

Haha I love that picture.

Enh. It's been waaaaaaaaay overused at this point, along with all the "clever" variations on "Ah yes [insert noun here]", posts that solely consist of a "Priiiiize" reference, and topics about Tali's @#$%ing face.

http://nerfnow.com/comic/image/435






Gotta love the internet... oh, and you missed one.

http://t2.gstatic.co...GZXAHJtqTAVyhNw

[Lunatic LK47]

Edits: Oops, thought Wizardryforever's post was recent and didn't realize it was on the first page, and that Squee answered Wizardry's post.

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 23 août 2011 - 04:30 .

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

didymos1120 wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

Haha I love that picture.

Enh. It's been waaaaaaaaay overused at this point, along with all the "clever" variations on "Ah yes [insert noun here]", posts that solely consist of a "Priiiiize" reference, and topics about Tali's @#$%ing face.

What's the Priiiiize? Also what is a Tali? I have played both games many times and I never recall a "Tali" or a certain "Priiiiiize" that you speak of....*sarcasm*

[Bostur]

jreezy wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
Yes. ME1 appealed to us, the RPG lovers. ME2 appealed to the COD and GoW lovers. ME3 follows the latter. It's a harsh truth (not really) but that's the reality. Any RPG people who were going to jump in did so in ME1. Everyone new is either in for the action.

I thought people stating opinions as facts would've been over with by now but I guess not.<_<

People are writing anonymously on the internet, if you expect facts you are probably looking in the wrong spot

[Candidate 88766]

ThePwener wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I think that bioware has given up on marketing to RPG fans.  We get what, two, or if where lucky, three games a year that are worth playing?  RPG fans have a tendency to do their own homework on what games carry the RPG title and determine if they are worth playing, and often play ones that arent that good because the market is so starved. 

Profit wise I think they feel its better to advertise to an audience that will play the game for six to twelve hours and shelve it with the other games they have never finished, this backfired for them with DA2, but then DA2 wasnt a very good game.  ME3 is almost certain to bring in most of the people who played ME and ME2, whichever one you liked better it probably hooked you on the series, and neither game is seen as poorly done by almost anyone, people have preferences and complaints, but you dont often see someone calling either game terrible.

Yes. ME1 appealed to us, the RPG lovers. ME2 appealed to the COD and GoW lovers. ME3 follows the latter. It's a harsh truth (not really) but that's the reality. Any RPG people who were going to jump in did so in ME1. Everyone new is either in for the action.

Wait, so you actually think that a third-person, single-player only, heavily story focused game with tons of dialogue and set in space is appealling to the same market as CoD, a first-person, online-focused game set in the modern world and heavily focused on competitiveness? So many similarities there...

If you're a true RPG lover, you should have hated ME1. A lot of the traditional RPG stuff isn't there at all, and what was there - the inventory, the levelling system - was surprisingly poorly implemented for a Bioware game. You liked it for the story - we all did - not because it was a good RPG, because it wasn't. A great game yes, but not a good RPG. If you really are a fan of RPGs and no other games types then why did you stick with the Mass Effect series after the first game? Because despite being an average RPG it was still a great game. And ME3 is promising more in-depth RPG stuff than the original had, so you have nothing to worry about.

And as for the marketing, all we've seen of ME3 have been short glimpses at two of the year's biggest game shows which are designed primarily to show off to the press. They are here to see action, not pages of power customization. Advertising the RPG stuff will come with time, but E3 and Gamescom are not the place for that. Even Skyrim - undoubtedly an RPG - only showed off dragon combat. Its all about making an impact in a very short time at these shows, so you show off action. You have to bear in mind that these shows aren't for the fans - they're for the publishers' egos and little else. We get to see footage of the games we want, but marketing for the fans won't come until later. ME3 will probably have something similar to the class videos ME2 had, showing off the powers of each class.

[lolnoobs]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
ME3 will probably have something similar to the class videos ME2 had, showing off the powers of each class.

Yes, like the the chainsaw bayonet erm...omniblade! KEWL!

[Il Divo]

lolnoobs wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
ME3 will probably have something similar to the class videos ME2 had, showing off the powers of each class.

Yes, like the the chainsaw bayonet erm...omniblade! KEWL!

Yes, because any melee weapon in a tps is obviously inspired by the GoW Lancer.

[Candidate 88766]

ThePwener wrote...

jreezy wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I like both Mass Effect 1 and 2.

Apparently you're not allowed to like both Mass Effect 1 & 2 if some of the commenters in this thread have anything to say about it.

Im with Ryan. Everyone who has a negative opinion on that can kiss my ass.

I love both of them as well. I honestly don't care what genre the games are - I love them for the story and the characters and as long as ME3's story lives up to the hype I'll love it.

Also, I love that picture.

[Massadonious1]

People who use "CoD/GoW Crowd" as a slight clearly don't understand what the mainstream CoD/GoW fans want or play on a regular basis.

It's certainly not anything that BioWare has ever made.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 23 août 2011 - 11:38 .

[Il Divo]

[quote]jreezy wrote...

Yes, because any melee weapon in a tps is obviously inspired by the GoW Lancer.
[/quote]
That seems to be the consensus among many people on here since BioWare is obviously trying to target the COD and God of- I mean Gears of War crowd.
[/quote]

Clearly. The omni-blade/Halo Energy Sword relation I at least can understand, even if I disagree with it. But what the hell does it have in common with the lancer?

Modifié par Il Divo, 23 août 2011 - 11:41 .