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AlenkoForever

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 So even though I'm new to the Bioware community, I'm not even close to being new in the Mass Effect Universe. I must have played Mass Effect 2 at least eight times through (no life, I know). But it's true. And a lot of the characters have really changed in my eyes over time. So I'm going to write about each character in order of recruitment and how they changed in my eyes, if they did. Note: Zaaed and Kasumi aren't included because you can't really talk to their characters.

Miranda: Oh, Ms. Lawson. You are one bodacious woman. That's the first thing I noticed when I saw her. And of course all the close-ups of her butt. But I never particularly cared for Miranda that much. I saw her as a goodie two shoes, that always did what the Illusive man wanted. That is until I took her to the end of the suicide mission and she quit from Cerberus (winning). After that I realized how much she really did devote to the mission and how loyal she was to me. Also, who can resist that romance scene in the engine room? ;)

Jacob: The one thing I did not like about Mass Effect 2 was Jacob. What is special about him? Nothing. he's your typical Alliance soldier. Cookie-cutter personality, didn't really say much, or give anything to the story. He was just a filler character. I tried having a romance with him, but I couldn't stand how uninteresting he was. Plus, he got way too serious way too fast. 

Mordin: When I first played ME2, Mordin was extremely annoying to me. The super-fast talking, the lack of powers, and just thinks along those lines. He was always the last loyalty mission I did, and  never bothered to talk to him in the lab. He was basically the one person you leave in time-out and don't even notice they're gone. However, after many play through's, he has really grown on me as a character Behind his scientific exterior is a rather humorous "man", and maybe it was the moment he sang Gilbert & Sullivan that really converted me. Not to mention his incineration blast, which came in handy at the best times. It's safe to say in the beginning, he was ignored, but now he's the one person I have to take with me to the end of the suicide mission.

Garrus: Oh Garrus. <3 He's such a sweetheart and he never fails to crack me up. Even though he would always make me wait for his calibrations, I loved him in the beginning of the game. He was that class clown that everyoe had a crush on. But as time went on, I started getting more attached to the game, so to speak, and I really wanted something serious for Shephard. And although Garrus is a great friend and I wouldn't mind having some fun time of my own with him, he's not exactly the relationship I'm looking for. But hey, at least he kicks ass. B)

Jack: Hm, Jack is tough for me because I don't know whether to be annoyed with her or to cuddle with her. In my first twp playthroughs, I didn't really care for her. I thought she was just a bitter **** who needed to move on. But then, after playing with male Shepard and seeing her cry in my cabin, it really struck a chord. Sure, with female Shepard, you can only go as far as hearing her saying I don't play girl's team (surprisingly), but still. You can see that there's somethign special to her. As far as combat, her shockwave comes in handy when fighting husks, especially in the Reaper IFF mission. It's just like bowling.

Grunt: He was along the same lines as Mordin to me in the beginning. I would always go to Tuchanka last because it was like watching paint dry. I didn't see the big deal about a krogan on my team. He's like a idiot football player who just wants to crush cans on his head all the time. But somehow, he grew on me too. Not to the point of Mordin, but I like him at least a little bit better now. He can never replace Wrex though. That's my main krogan right there.

Samara: First thing I noticed about her: boobs, of course. I think that's what everyone notices at first. I was so mesmerized by those in the first few playthroughs that I didn't care about anything else she said. She could've been saying how she wants to eat my brains, and I still would been like <3. But as I played a few more times, I realized she's kind of just stagnant. There's that moment in her "romance" that you're about to kiss, and you think that this is it. That she's going to open up and wow me. But alas, she rejects you and goes to the crew quarters only to say "please" the whole time. What's up with that? But I have to admit, her loyalty mission is my favorite. If Morinth didn't kill me when I tried to get with her, I might've have kept her. But I would rather be rejected than dead.

Thane :wub:: Okay, let's set one thig straight, I'm a Kaidan girl through and through, but I had to try really hard to stay loyal when Thae was on my ship. When I first played, I got to know him, and I thought he was pretty cool, but I failed his loyalty mission, so I didn't really get to talk to him. Then I took a biref hiatus from Mass Effect for school and such. When I came back and actually beat his loyalty mission, I fell in love. Maybe it was the way he said siha, or his calm demeanor. Maybe it was just the way he talked about me or the way he cried in my cabin before the suicide mission. But I really loved Thane. And it's so sad to me that he might not be in Mass Effect 3 because of his illness. I just hope that I made the right decision sticking with Kaidan because if not, I'll play the whole damn game again just to be with Thane.

Tali: I know I'm about to get attacked by all of those people who love Tali, but I'm ot a fan. I don't know why.In the first game, she really wasn't that important after the first few missions on the citidel. And even in Mass Effect 2, her dossier was all about the geth, and her loyalty mission was also all about the geth. I just don't get a sense for who she is. And then it irks me that she can flirt with female Shephard but you can't have the romance with her. I guess she's just not my cup of tea, and never will be.

Legion: Last but not least, one of my favorite's, Legion. I used to not really care for him as I didn't for a lot of the characters. But that definitely changed. In the beginning, he was just a robot to me. But I find him rather comical now, and even sweet. For instance, when he used the N7 armor to fix the hole and he awkwardly said no data or the easter egg that makes him do the robot during idle time.Whatver it is, he's definitrely one of the most unique squad members in the Mass Effect series so far. I don't think Bioware can top having a geth on the team.

EDI: Even though she's not a team member, she deserves a review in my opinion. She. Kicks. Ass. It's as simple as that. I liked her from the very beginning. Even on my strictly renegade playthrough, I felt so bad telling her that she was equipment, not crew after the collectors attacked the Normandy. And watching the relationship between her and Joker develop was touching and a nice touch of comic relief. Even though she is just a computer program, she gets an A+ in my book.

That's all for my thoughts on characters. Sorry for makig it so long! So what do you think? ^_^

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here on BSN Flame Wars start VERY quickly

also you forgot the best character on the ship.
Kasumi Goto

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Miranda: Goodie-Two-Shoes?....When?...:huh:

Jacob: Pretty straight up...need that with all the on board insanity....:mellow:

Mordin: Can't get the hang of him myself, too chaotic for me....:blush:

Garrus: Bad *ss with a heart of gold... a great sense of humor, but carries a lot of pent up anger....:wub:

Jack: Don't need to romance her to know and understand why she is f*cked up...Cerberus has a lot to answer for....I'm not a big fan of Jack, but I understand why she is who she is.....:unsure:

Grunt: Not a fan of Krogans...his an undisiplined Krogan.....:crying:

Samara: As a woman myself, cleavage has no effect on me....I like Samara, I find her interesting...:)...also she never starts to kiss, it's Shep who pushes it....<_<

Thane: Another very interesting character, his dialog facinates me....am a Thane fan....:wub:

Tali: The only manShep LI possibility not intent on proving how tough or ruthless she can be...she is also cute in her awkwardness...though she doesn't grap me, just kinda neutral about her.....:mellow:

Legion: Love his dialog and his whole concept...very interesting character.....:wub:

EDI: Funny you would include EDI but not Kasumi and Zaeed...I like EDI.....:huh:

Kasumi: ....Love that Kasumi...funny, cute, easy going, refreshing....:wub::wub::wub:

Zaeed: When he laughs he sounds like my dad, so he got immediate points from me right there...he is very renegade, but I like him anyway.....^_^

Modifié par Golden Owl, 19 août 2011 - 09:27 .


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True, I did leave out Kasumi, but I get a better sense of who she is than Zaaed at least. I mean, both heir loyalty missions are short but have enough depth to them that they show their character. Kasumi is obviously fun-loving and likes to live on the adventurous side, but she trouble letting things go, ex. Keiji's graybox. But she's not a character I could dislike by any means. Plus her shadow strike is awesome. As for Zaaed, he's definitely got a temper, and being a solo merc, it's obvious why he puts his needs before anyone else's. I'm on the fence with him. I don't know whether I like him or not. I guess I don't because whenever I'm doing the suicide mission, I send him back with the survivors of my crew to keep him out of the way.

And Golden Owl, Miranda is a total goodie two shoes in the beginning of the game. She's all about Cerberus rules and protocol, and all that junk. So I kid of wrote her off in the beginning. But you're right about one thing. Tali is the only Male LI who doesn't totally want to domineer you. I guess you could say she's that girl who has a crush on you in middle school.

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AlenkoForever wrote...

True, I did leave out Kasumi, but I get a better sense of who she is than Zaaed at least. I mean, both heir loyalty missions are short but have enough depth to them that they show their character. Kasumi is obviously fun-loving and likes to live on the adventurous side, but she trouble letting things go, ex. Keiji's graybox. But she's not a character I could dislike by any means. Plus her shadow strike is awesome. As for Zaaed, he's definitely got a temper, and being a solo merc, it's obvious why he puts his needs before anyone else's. I'm on the fence with him. I don't know whether I like him or not. I guess I don't because whenever I'm doing the suicide mission, I send him back with the survivors of my crew to keep him out of the way.

And Golden Owl, Miranda is a total goodie two shoes in the beginning of the game. She's all about Cerberus rules and protocol, and all that junk.
So I kid of wrote her off in the beginning. But you're right about one thing. Tali is the only Male LI who doesn't totally want to domineer you. I guess you could say she's that girl who has a crush on you in middle school.


....:blink:....Cerberus is an organization well known for it's heartless cruelty and abuse....Jack and Overlord  two such examples in ME2....the Akuze Thresher Maws and Toombs in ME1 just for a start....Paul Grayson and Gillian in the books...list goes on....Miranda is a commited employed top rank in this organization, defending their ideals and stance...A Goodie-Two-Shoes is a person with an over top morality code, usually to the point of detriment to themselves and those around them, makes paragon Shep look evil beside their over the top morality codes....This is not Miranda, she condones by association and words many of Cerberus's operations, she is no Goodie-Two-Shoes...30 odd years ago when I was in primary school, I would have been classed as a Goodie-Two-Shoes, Miranda and I have NOTHING remotely in common.

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Lawson: aggreable after I brought her to blow up a reaper and leaves cerberusImage IPB

Taylor: Never really liked him, though I would if i could encourage him to go for Lawson.Image IPB


Solus: " Wait, I know that was important, but you sang Gilbert and Sullivan"Image IPBImage IPBImage IPB

Vakarian:  Vakarian has always been one of my best men. Talking and Battle, he is the veteran that should be in all the games like I know he is.Image IPB

Nought: ***SPOILER*** Jaquilen Nought is Jack's real name. I hear if you romance her she becomes un-crazy. I like her choice in biotics.Image IPB

The Justicar: WTF and no emotion, and a bad biotic selectionImage IPB

Krios: A few words. he has some wounds treated with salt, but beyond that hes cool.Image IPB

Zora: I have nothing to say againts her you bosh'tet!!!Image IPBImage IPB

Legion: We approve of that he is able as an agreable being.Image IPB

Masani: What a bad**** !!!

Goto: I wish that she could find the right man for herImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB

One thing I would say personly is that Chakwas and Joker should be romance options for ME3 BIOWARE! It's just my opinion though so you dont have to go spreading it around.Image IPB

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Ike Aether wrote...

Lawson: aggreable after I brought her to blow up a reaper and leaves cerberusImage IPB

Taylor: Never really liked him, though I would if i could encourage him to go for Lawson.Image IPB


Solus: " Wait, I know that was important, but you sang Gilbert and Sullivan"Image IPBImage IPBImage IPB

Vakarian:  Vakarian has always been one of my best men. Talking and Battle, he is the veteran that should be in all the games like I know he is.Image IPB

Nought: ***SPOILER*** Jaquilen Nought is Jack's real name. I hear if you romance her she becomes un-crazy. I like her choice in biotics.Image IPB

The Justicar: WTF and no emotion, and a bad biotic selectionImage IPB

Krios: A few words. he has some wounds treated with salt, but beyond that hes cool.Image IPB

Zora: I have nothing to say againts her you bosh'tet!!!Image IPBImage IPB

Legion: We approve of that he is able as an agreable being.Image IPB

Masani: What a bad**** !!!

Goto: I wish that she could find the right man for herImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB

One thing I would say personly is that Chakwas and Joker should be romance options for ME3 BIOWARE! It's just my opinion though so you dont have to go spreading it around.Image IPB

 


I Would  Disagree  Samara does have emotion  but keeps it very much in  check -   If you Kill Morinth you can hear and see  how beat down she is and just  tired of it all she is.   She actually more blames herself for Morinth condition more than anyone else.

Everything else  I agree with   

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Golden owl, I can see where you're coming from. I guess she's just the kind of person that is hard to read at first. But then again, don't judge a book by its cover. At first, I thought, oh great, cocky and a ****. But after he loyalty mission with her sister I saw that really was a kind if maternal figure. Also, it soon became apparent that the things we see as her strengths are her biggest insecurities. So maybe you're right. Goodie two shoes is probably the wrong word choice. Professional is a better word.

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Not gonna take the time to write long texts about each, but here are my scores from 1-10 about each:

Kaidan - 3
Ashley - 6
Tali: 8
Liara: 8
Garrus: 7
Wrex: 7
Zaeed: 6
Legion: 8
Samara: 5
Grunt: 4
Miranda: 6
Jacob: 4
Kasumi: 8
Jack: 6
Thane: 8
Mordin: 9

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i wish i could pick the mind of Ashley's writer. :|
Usually when a writer makes us detest a character so badly, he or she has done his or her job well. But for Ashley, there's something off about her. Like a broken Aesop.

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AlenkoForever wrote...

Golden owl, I can see where you're coming from. I guess she's just the kind of person that is hard to read at first. But then again, don't judge a book by its cover. At first, I thought, oh great, cocky and a ****. But after he loyalty mission with her sister I saw that really was a kind if maternal figure. Also, it soon became apparent that the things we see as her strengths are her biggest insecurities. So maybe you're right. Goodie two shoes is probably the wrong word choice. Professional is a better word.


My opinion of Miranda...neutral....:mellow:...took me a long time to get to that opinion.....As for 'Professional'...perfect fit I reckon Alenko....^_^

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We can just leave scores? Cool

Kaidan:5
Ashley:6
Wrex:9
Liara:8
Garrus:8
Tali:4
Miranda:7
Jacob:6
Mordin:8
Grunt:7
Jack:5
Thane:7
Samara:6.5
Legion:8
EDI:8
Sorry, just don't feel like typing too much right now.

Edit: Crap, I forgot
Zaeed:6
Kasumi:8.5

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Unpleasant Implications, I know you said you don't feel like typing too much right now, but why is Wrex your favorite? Just curious.

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Kaidan:  Boring as spit.  Told dramatic story and then "Oh, I'm over that Commander."  That is cool Kaiden but if you are over it, could you please talk about something that we can actually you know...talk about, like engines and stuff.
Ashley:  Tough as nails.  I like her because she was a badass but she was not mindless or stereotypey.  She felt like a complete character.
Wrex:  Hidden depths.  Starts of and you think you have a mindless brute but as you talk to him you get to learn that he is an emotional little lizard thing.  You also have to admire his conviction.
Liara:  She is a great character when you are romancing her because you can feel the real attraction.  She does seem very much like a creeper if you aren't though.
Garrus:  Fortunately he grew.  In ME1 he was a weak impressionable lackey and really annoyed me.  I like how he grew up and was able to take a stand in ME2. 
Tali:  I love her largely because I had to live her life in her backstory with her father.  I understand what it is to live like that.  I completely disagree about the Geth and she gets rather fanatical about it but she is rather charming outside of the Geth hate.
Miranda:  Boring whiny character.
Jacob:  Just boring character.  He doesn't seem to really want to talk to you either so I tend to just leave him alone.
Mordin: Unapolegetic.  He makes his decisions and stands by them.  I love his confidence and humour.  I disagree with the Krogan but admire him nonetheless.
Grunt:  Forgettable.  All tthe interactions you get with him are him being violent and Shep faceplaining. 
Jack:  I would have to give her an incomplete.  I play femshep and you never really get to connect with her at all.  They force you to interact with her from a patronizing paragon slant that causes her to eventually brush you of regardless of what you do. 
Thane:  Uh...
Samara:  Poorly written.  Her hypocrisy annoys me. 
Morinth:  Incomplete.  You do not get enough conversations with her and only one unique dialogue spot in the galaxy (Tuchanka)
Legion: Awesome.
EDI:  Needs to tell more jokes.

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He's a badass. It's favoritism I know, but that's the only answer I can give. His body count's in the millions(by now it has to be), he's not afraid to take a stand against something he believes is wrong, and his dry humor amuses me to no end. That's all there is to it really.

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silentassassin264 wrote...

Kaidan:  Boring as spit.  Told dramatic story and then "Oh, I'm over that Commander."  That is cool Kaiden but if you are over it, could you please talk about something that we can actually you know...talk about, like engines and stuff.
Ashley:  Tough as nails.  I like her because she was a badass but she was not mindless or stereotypey.  She felt like a complete character.
Wrex:  Hidden depths.  Starts of and you think you have a mindless brute but as you talk to him you get to learn that he is an emotional little lizard thing.  You also have to admire his conviction.
Liara:  She is a great character when you are romancing her because you can feel the real attraction.  She does seem very much like a creeper if you aren't though.
Garrus:  Fortunately he grew.  In ME1 he was a weak impressionable lackey and really annoyed me.  I like how he grew up and was able to take a stand in ME2. 
Tali:  I love her largely because I had to live her life in her backstory with her father.  I understand what it is to live like that.  I completely disagree about the Geth and she gets rather fanatical about it but she is rather charming outside of the Geth hate.
Miranda:  Boring whiny character.
Jacob:  Just boring character.  He doesn't seem to really want to talk to you either so I tend to just leave him alone.
Mordin: Unapolegetic.  He makes his decisions and stands by them.  I love his confidence and humour.  I disagree with the Krogan but admire him nonetheless.
Grunt:  Forgettable.  All tthe interactions you get with him are him being violent and Shep faceplaining. 
Jack:  I would have to give her an incomplete.  I play femshep and you never really get to connect with her at all.  They force you to interact with her from a patronizing paragon slant that causes her to eventually brush you of regardless of what you do. 
Thane:  Uh...
Samara:  Poorly written.  Her hypocrisy annoys me. 
Morinth:  Incomplete.  You do not get enough conversations with her and only one unique dialogue spot in the galaxy (Tuchanka)
Legion: Awesome.
EDI:  Needs to tell more jokes.

How is Samara a hypocrite?  I don't see it.

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Kaidan - :)
Ashley - :)
Tali: :pinched:
Liara: :D
Garrus::wub:
Wrex: :wub:
Zaeed: :wub:
Legion: :D
Samara: :unsure:
Grunt: :D
Miranda: :sick:
Jacob: :)
Kasumi: :wub:
Jack: :wub:
Thane: :)
Mordin: :wub:

Joker: :devil:

EDI: :)

Kelly: :)

Rupert: :)

Kenneth and Gabby: :D

Dr. Chakwas: :)

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ladyvader wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Kaidan:  Boring as spit.  Told dramatic story and then "Oh, I'm over that Commander."  That is cool Kaiden but if you are over it, could you please talk about something that we can actually you know...talk about, like engines and stuff.
Ashley:  Tough as nails.  I like her because she was a badass but she was not mindless or stereotypey.  She felt like a complete character.
Wrex:  Hidden depths.  Starts of and you think you have a mindless brute but as you talk to him you get to learn that he is an emotional little lizard thing.  You also have to admire his conviction.
Liara:  She is a great character when you are romancing her because you can feel the real attraction.  She does seem very much like a creeper if you aren't though.
Garrus:  Fortunately he grew.  In ME1 he was a weak impressionable lackey and really annoyed me.  I like how he grew up and was able to take a stand in ME2. 
Tali:  I love her largely because I had to live her life in her backstory with her father.  I understand what it is to live like that.  I completely disagree about the Geth and she gets rather fanatical about it but she is rather charming outside of the Geth hate.
Miranda:  Boring whiny character.
Jacob:  Just boring character.  He doesn't seem to really want to talk to you either so I tend to just leave him alone.
Mordin: Unapolegetic.  He makes his decisions and stands by them.  I love his confidence and humour.  I disagree with the Krogan but admire him nonetheless.
Grunt:  Forgettable.  All tthe interactions you get with him are him being violent and Shep faceplaining. 
Jack:  I would have to give her an incomplete.  I play femshep and you never really get to connect with her at all.  They force you to interact with her from a patronizing paragon slant that causes her to eventually brush you of regardless of what you do. 
Thane:  Uh...
Samara:  Poorly written.  Her hypocrisy annoys me. 
Morinth:  Incomplete.  You do not get enough conversations with her and only one unique dialogue spot in the galaxy (Tuchanka)
Legion: Awesome.
EDI:  Needs to tell more jokes.

How is Samara a hypocrite?  I don't see it.

Her code is very contradictory. Apparently, she can kill anyone at anytime regardless if they are innocent or not, and get away with it. Then has the nerve to say she fights for justice.

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 Kaidan - Image IPB
Ashley - Image IPB
Tali: :sick:
Liara: Image IPB
Garrus::)
Wrex: Image IPB
Zaeed: ^_^
Legion: -_-
Samara: Image IPB
Grunt: Image IPB
Miranda: Image IPB ( really dont like her even after I took her to the final mission)
Jacob: :unsure:
Kasumi: :)
Jack: :wub: <3
Thane: Image IPB
Mordin: Image IPB

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its NEVER said in-game that samara can kill innocents whenever she wants, and besides you never read whats in the code so you cant judge her actions that way, you could disagree but you cant call her a hypocrite if you dont know what her moral code is about (which no one does, because its never specified in-game). I actually like that her morality is kinda odd it truly feels like alien morality instead off human morality that applies to everything.

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[quote]Jog0907 wrote...


[/quote]How is Samara a hypocrite?  I don't see it.
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Her code is very contradictory. Apparently, she can kill anyone at anytime regardless if they are innocent or not, and get away with it. Then has the nerve to say she fights for justice.

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its NEVER said in-game that she can kill innocents whenever she wants, and besides you never read whats in the code so you cant judge her actions that way, you could disagree but you cant call her a hypocrite if you dont know what her moral code is about (which no one does, because its never specified in-game). I actually like that her morality is kinda odd it truly feels like alien morality instead off human morality that applies to everything.

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She can kill anyone that gets in her way regardless if they are innocent or not. The detective is proof of that.
skip to 4:25

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[quote]Quole wrote...

[quote]Jog0907 wrote...


[/quote]How is Samara a hypocrite?  I don't see it.
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Her code is very contradictory. Apparently, she can kill anyone at anytime regardless if they are innocent or not, and get away with it. Then has the nerve to say she fights for justice.

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its NEVER said in-game that she can kill innocents whenever she wants, and besides you never read whats in the code so you cant judge her actions that way, you could disagree but you cant call her a hypocrite if you dont know what her moral code is about (which no one does, because its never specified in-game). I actually like that her morality is kinda odd it truly feels like alien morality instead off human morality that applies to everything.

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She can kill anyone that gets in her way regardless if they are innocent or not. The detective is proof of that.

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I assume you refer to her saying she may have to kill the detective, but then again she says that because she getting imprisoned is obstruction of justice commited by the detective according to the code, again its just odd alien morality not really hipocrisy on her part, but we can disagree.

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watch the video

Also look at the wiki. It states that if someone is guilty of anything, regardless of how small, the result is almost always death. Even Samara admits that she dosnt want to know anything about someone she has to kill, because it might redeem them. The code is THAT stupid.


Heres an example:

Samara would have killed the detective, who was innocent, therefor making her exactly what she is supposedly fighting. Injustice. If someone else killed the detective, she would have to kill them.

Im actually wondering what if another justicar saw Samara kill the detective? Would that justicar then have to kill samara?.............. well theres probably loop holes in their code if another justicar is involved.

Modifié par Quole, 20 août 2011 - 03:15 .


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Quole wrote...

watch the video

Also look at the wiki. It states that if someone is guilty of anything, regardless of how small, the result is death. Even Samara admits that she dosnt want to know anything about someone she has to kill, because it might redeem them. The code is THAT stupid.


Heres an example:

Samara would have killed the detective, who was innocent, therefor making her exactly what she is supposedly fighting. Injustice. If someone else killed the detective, she would have to kill them.


again I consider that more of an odd alien morality, she swore a Justicar oath so it makes sense she (and other asari) to think that she's the one that has to kill criminals not other people and thus having to kill other people even if they killed someone unjust since they are not sworn under the oath that allows them to kill criminals under Asari tradition, the code is odd but thats what I like, its odd like the moral system of an alien should feel to a human.

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Jog0907 wrote...

Quole wrote...

watch the video

Also look at the wiki. It states that if someone is guilty of anything, regardless of how small, the result is death. Even Samara admits that she dosnt want to know anything about someone she has to kill, because it might redeem them. The code is THAT stupid.


Heres an example:

Samara would have killed the detective, who was innocent, therefor making her exactly what she is supposedly fighting. Injustice. If someone else killed the detective, she would have to kill them.


again I consider that more of an odd alien morality, she swore a Justicar oath so it makes sense she (and other asari) to think that she's the one that has to kill criminals not other people and thus having to kill other people even if they killed someone unjust since they are not sworn under the oath that allows them to kill criminals under Asari tradition, the code is odd but thats what I like, its odd like the moral system of an alien should feel to a human.


While yes, it is no doubt a strange morality they have, one fact remains:


Killing any innocents for any reason is bad. Justicars must kill everyone that is bad, and the occasional innocent. Thus making them bad.

You can argue that the ends justify the means, which is probably why the code is the way it is... but they are still (to some extent, according to their code and all common sense) hypocrits.

What im trying to say is that: If someone else did the same thing, it would be seen as bad by justicars.... but fine if done BY a justicar, thus making them hypocrits.

Then again, we will probably keep going in circles with this argument so we might as well stop now.

Modifié par Quole, 20 août 2011 - 03:26 .