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[Jog0907]

Quole wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

Quole wrote...

watch the video

Also look at the wiki. It states that if someone is guilty of anything, regardless of how small, the result is death. Even Samara admits that she dosnt want to know anything about someone she has to kill, because it might redeem them. The code is THAT stupid.


Heres an example:

Samara would have killed the detective, who was innocent, therefor making her exactly what she is supposedly fighting. Injustice. If someone else killed the detective, she would have to kill them.

again I consider that more of an odd alien morality, she swore a Justicar oath so it makes sense she (and other asari) to think that she's the one that has to kill criminals not other people and thus having to kill other people even if they killed someone unjust since they are not sworn under the oath that allows them to kill criminals under Asari tradition, the code is odd but thats what I like, its odd like the moral system of an alien should feel to a human.

While yes, it is no doubt a strange morality they have, one fact remains:


Killing any innocents for any reason is bad. Justicars must kill everyone that is bad, and the occassional innocent. Thus making them bad.

You can argue that the ends justify the means, which is probably why the code is the way it is... but they are still (to some extent, according to their code and all common sense) hypocrits.

well you do raise good points, but then again I feel that the code status as alien morality exempts it from human analysis of good or bad, its seems like we simply disagree on the matter. You still have a valid opinion and you can actually criticize Samara for that if you want to I just happen to think my Shepard has no reason to criticize her based on what I have already explained.

[Quole]

Jog0907 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

Quole wrote...

watch the video

Also look at the wiki. It states that if someone is guilty of anything, regardless of how small, the result is death. Even Samara admits that she dosnt want to know anything about someone she has to kill, because it might redeem them. The code is THAT stupid.


Heres an example:

Samara would have killed the detective, who was innocent, therefor making her exactly what she is supposedly fighting. Injustice. If someone else killed the detective, she would have to kill them.

again I consider that more of an odd alien morality, she swore a Justicar oath so it makes sense she (and other asari) to think that she's the one that has to kill criminals not other people and thus having to kill other people even if they killed someone unjust since they are not sworn under the oath that allows them to kill criminals under Asari tradition, the code is odd but thats what I like, its odd like the moral system of an alien should feel to a human.

While yes, it is no doubt a strange morality they have, one fact remains:


Killing any innocents for any reason is bad. Justicars must kill everyone that is bad, and the occassional innocent. Thus making them bad.

You can argue that the ends justify the means, which is probably why the code is the way it is... but they are still (to some extent, according to their code and all common sense) hypocrits.

well you do raise good points, but then again I feel that the code status as alien morality exempts it from human analysis of good or bad, its seems like we simply disagree on the matter. You still have a valid opinion and you can actually criticize Samara for that if you want to I just happen to think my Shepard has no reason to criticize her based on what I have already explained.

I would continue but I think this argument will just go in circles.

[Jog0907]

Quole wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

Quole wrote...

watch the video

Also look at the wiki. It states that if someone is guilty of anything, regardless of how small, the result is death. Even Samara admits that she dosnt want to know anything about someone she has to kill, because it might redeem them. The code is THAT stupid.


Heres an example:

Samara would have killed the detective, who was innocent, therefor making her exactly what she is supposedly fighting. Injustice. If someone else killed the detective, she would have to kill them.

again I consider that more of an odd alien morality, she swore a Justicar oath so it makes sense she (and other asari) to think that she's the one that has to kill criminals not other people and thus having to kill other people even if they killed someone unjust since they are not sworn under the oath that allows them to kill criminals under Asari tradition, the code is odd but thats what I like, its odd like the moral system of an alien should feel to a human.

While yes, it is no doubt a strange morality they have, one fact remains:


Killing any innocents for any reason is bad. Justicars must kill everyone that is bad, and the occassional innocent. Thus making them bad.

You can argue that the ends justify the means, which is probably why the code is the way it is... but they are still (to some extent, according to their code and all common sense) hypocrits.

well you do raise good points, but then again I feel that the code status as alien morality exempts it from human analysis of good or bad, its seems like we simply disagree on the matter. You still have a valid opinion and you can actually criticize Samara for that if you want to I just happen to think my Shepard has no reason to criticize her based on what I have already explained.

I would continue but I think this argument will just go in circles.

hehe I guess we can agree on that 

[spurkis]

Kaidan - Hopefully his story will be fleshed out in ME3.
Ashley - Yay. Her views on aliens feels like cancer.
Tali - Giant MEH.
Liara - Pretty good Nothing special, really.
Garrus - I bought Mass Effect because I thought the turians looked awesome. Nuff said. Sidekick #1
Wrex - Very good, especially gameplay-wise.
Zaeed - One of my favourites. Too bad his loyalty mission is so brief and generic.
Legion - The best character in ME2, both gameplay- and story-wise. Brilliant.
Samara - Interesting. Always preferred Morinth, though.
Grunt - Only a shadow of Wrex.
Miranda - Hag. I hate the fact that she always has to be in my face. Fine, she's the overseer of the mission in ME2, but that doesn't mean she's allowed to leave her giant-arse office and blabber in important cutscenes.
Jacob - Aight. Too "buddy".
Kasumi - Good potential, but too silly and teen-like.
Jack - She would be great if she didn't have all that **** and instead was a character with an insanely strong psyche. And too little armor.
Thane - A little generic.
Mordin - Very interesting. "He's as likely to shoot you as to heal you." - that line saves him from being that silly professor type. And his work on the genophage only makes him better.

[RPGamer13]

Jacob - hypocritical punk

Mordin - his hyper activity makes him more likeable than he should have been.  Also, being former special task unit and the tactics that came with it, he's way too kind

Garrus - I only like him so much because he's made so badass in the second game.  In the first game, in the beginning he first appeared to be weak

Jack - her tattoos are sexy.  Bald head...?  Not so much. Plus, pretty much every female in the game is bigger than her

Grunt - not as awesome as Wrex, but he's voiced by Steve Blum, so edge goes to Grunt.  I also used him more than Jacob and Thane, the two I never used when I didn't have to.

Samara - Too weak.  Morinth is a much stronger character.

Morinth - I just want her to have a relationship with FemShep in ME3 and not just a cameo.  Also, I don't think she should try to pass herself off as her mother anymore.  What reason would she have?

Thane - Never used him.  Thought he was going insane with all those relived moments due to perfect memory.

Tali - I just want to see her face!  And while she's bigger than Jack, I don't like how skinny she is.

Legion - DC Douglas made him cooler than I thought he'd be.  DC Douglas voiced Alexei in Tales of Vesperia and Wesker in Resident Evil for crying out loud!

Liara and Miranda - Both Ali Hillis and Yvonne Strahovski got roles in Square-Enix games right after appearing in Mass Effect.  Coincidence?  I think not!  You may know Ali Hillis voiced Lightning in FFXIII, but what you may not know if Yvonne Strahovski voiced Aya Brea in The 3rd Birthday aka Parasite Eve 3.

As for the characters, even though they got great bodies, both have their flaws.  Liara looked awkward compared to every other Asari, why the discoloration between the forehead and head tentacles?  Miranda was a snitch and seems like the first to stab Shepard in the back.  Though angry sex with FemShep might redeem her.

EDI: I hope they either give her a proper head or make her more than just a head.

[DeathDragon185]

Kaidan 3
Ashley 8
Liara 7
Tali 8
Jacob 2
Miranda 8
Mordin 9
Garrus 6(im gonna get Flamed for this)
wrex 6
Grunt 7
Jack 2
Samara 7
Morinth 4
Zaeed 6
Legion 10
Kasumi 9.5
Thane 6.5

[AlenkoForever]

How did you rate Grunt higher than Garrus...

[Jademoon121]

Kaidan: Boring. Dude, is there anything else interesting about you besides being a talented Biotic? He's pretty stale.

Ashley: Confident and cool. I like her attitude, but hate her view on aliens. Still love her though. One of the best female characters I've seen.

Wrex: Mad respect. A stone wall at first, but he's one of the best guys to have your back. Funny too.

Liara: MY LOVE. Cute, smart, endearing, bookish, deadly. She has it all.

Garrus: Bromance given a face. I admire his love of justice and retribution even when he has to go against code and law to do good. Very easygoing too.

Tali: Like Liara except with the adorkable meter cranked up. I love that she's a walking encyclopedia about the geth and her culture, along with her struggle between the two.

Miranda: Eh. I like on how level and single-headed she can be, but the "woe is me I'm so perfect" card can be played only for so many times.

Jacob: ME2's Kaidan. Nothing more.

Mordin: Hilarious. The genophage is also a good topic to see his most serious side come out. Very interesting to talk to. Very entertaining.

Grunt: Eh. Krogan baby with a temper tantrum.

Jack: I'd give her full stars if you could repair her as Femshep. Still, there is depth to her behind the "F*** YOU!" attitude,

Thane: NEXT!

Samara: I respect her for her sense of justice and retribution like Garrus, very much so. And I feel sorry for her because on the relationship between her and her daughters.

Morinth: Never used her. Crazy nymphomaniac bi-.....

Legion: He's alright.

Kasumi: Never used her.

Zaeed: Never used him.

[Made Nightwing]

Hellbound555 wrote...

i wish i could pick the mind of Ashley's writer. :|
Usually when a writer makes us detest a character so badly, he or she has done his or her job well. But for Ashley, there's something off about her. Like a broken Aesop.

WISH GRANTED!

This is Chris L'Etoile, former Bioware writer, who wrote Ashley, and posts around the web as Stormwaltz, on the Penny Arcade forum Mass Effect thread:
 
I find it interesting that so many people have stereotyped her as "the racist." At a couple of points she blasts the Terra Firma party as being "bigots," and she openly admires the power of the Destiny Ascension in the Citadel approach cutscene - not quite what you'd expect from a xenophobe.
In her first conversation she spells out her thinking pretty explicitly (the bear and dog metaphor), and it's nothing more than a short paraphrase of the most memorable passage in Charles Pelligrino and George Zebrowski's novel "The Killing Star":
 
When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:
1. THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL.
If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't survive by being self-sacrificing.

2. WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS.
No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.

3. THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.
 
And it's hard to dispute this. At the least, you could say the krogan live by these rules. It's certainly a more suspicious and pessimistic point of view than most of us are comfortable with. But is it racism, or realism?
Anyway. I fully expected some people write her off as a bigot. What surprises me is that no one's pointed out that her position does have some sense. Evidently, I did something very wrong here.
To answer a question from... I don't know, tens of pages ago, if you romance her and have persuade, you can convince her to be a bit less extreme in her opinions.

The writer didn't get a thing wrong, and Ashley is certainly not as despised as you seem to think she is. As a matter of fact, she's got one of the larger fanbases in the Mass Effect fan community. But....if you're not smart enough to understand her character.....

[Homebound]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

i wish i could pick the mind of Ashley's writer. :|
Usually when a writer makes us detest a character so badly, he or she has done his or her job well. But for Ashley, there's something off about her. Like a broken Aesop.

WISH GRANTED!

This is Chris L'Etoile, former Bioware writer, who wrote Ashley, and posts around the web as Stormwaltz, on the Penny Arcade forum Mass Effect thread:
 
I find it interesting that so many people have stereotyped her as "the racist." At a couple of points she blasts the Terra Firma party as being "bigots," and she openly admires the power of the Destiny Ascension in the Citadel approach cutscene - not quite what you'd expect from a xenophobe.
In her first conversation she spells out her thinking pretty explicitly (the bear and dog metaphor), and it's nothing more than a short paraphrase of the most memorable passage in Charles Pelligrino and George Zebrowski's novel "The Killing Star":
 
When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:
1. THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL.
If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't survive by being self-sacrificing.

2. WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS.
No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.

3. THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.
 
And it's hard to dispute this. At the least, you could say the krogan live by these rules. It's certainly a more suspicious and pessimistic point of view than most of us are comfortable with. But is it racism, or realism?
Anyway. I fully expected some people write her off as a bigot. What surprises me is that no one's pointed out that her position does have some sense. Evidently, I did something very wrong here.
To answer a question from... I don't know, tens of pages ago, if you romance her and have persuade, you can convince her to be a bit less extreme in her opinions.

The writer didn't get a thing wrong, and Ashley is certainly not as despised as you seem to think she is. As a matter of fact, she's got one of the larger fanbases in the Mass Effect fan community. But....if you're not smart enough to understand her character.....

ive read it already, i had 2 pages worth of convo with no flaming or trolling whatsoever (amazing since Ive never had ashleyfans NOT troll) on the ashley fanthread on this and i still cant quite get her. I thought she was ambivalent, but now i think she was just inconcistant with her actions. She says shes not racist, but she also calls the other races indistinguishable to animals. Her actions have spoken louder than her words for me.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 août 2011 - 08:56 .

[Made Nightwing]

@Hellbound, that was a glitched line, supposed to appear only when she was around the Keepers.

Think about it. Ash is a virtual babe in the woods when it comes to aliens. Shepard, Kaidan, even Pressly and Joker have had contact with other species before. Not Ash. She has never met any of the Citadel species. Her reaction is akin to a kid on a field trip, marvelling at the sights.

And you're right. Her actions DO speak louder than her words. Most noticeably, she volunteers to help out the Salarian STG team on Virmire. An all alien team. Et tu Hellbound?

[Funkcase]

It still baffles me that people think the animals line is racist. I'm pretty sure all of the Bioware social network think that Hanar look like Jellyfish, and i've even seen people call Thane a frog and Grunt a duck. Yet these people call Ash out on that line, it's very hypocritical.

Modifié par Funkcase, 21 août 2011 - 09:53 .

[Homebound]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Hellbound, that was a glitched line, supposed to appear only when she was around the Keepers.

Think about it. Ash is a virtual babe in the woods when it comes to aliens. Shepard, Kaidan, even Pressly and Joker have had contact with other species before. Not Ash. She has never met any of the Citadel species. Her reaction is akin to a kid on a field trip, marvelling at the sights.

And you're right. Her actions DO speak louder than her words. Most noticeably, she volunteers to help out the Salarian STG team on Virmire. An all alien team. Et tu Hellbound?

that was her being a dedicated soldier more than anything else. shes trying to live down the fact that her father or grandfather was the only human to surrender.

i dunno why but the entire time i talked to ashley, it was always like she was making excuses, sort of digging herself into a deeper hole.

[Homebound]

Funkcase wrote...

It still baffles me that people think the animals line is racist. I'm pretty sure all of the Bioware social network think that Hanar look like Jellyfish, and i've even seen people call Thane a frog and Grunt a duck. Yet these people call Ash out on that line, it's very hypocritical.

its called a joke/playing renegade. Ashley wasnt joking.

[Funkcase]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

It still baffles me that people think the animals line is racist. I'm pretty sure all of the Bioware social network think that Hanar look like Jellyfish, and i've even seen people call Thane a frog and Grunt a duck. Yet these people call Ash out on that line, it's very hypocritical.

its called a joke/playing renegade. Ashley wasnt joking.

So you tell me you dont think Hanar look like Jellyfish to you then?

[Made Nightwing]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Hellbound, that was a glitched line, supposed to appear only when she was around the Keepers.

Think about it. Ash is a virtual babe in the woods when it comes to aliens. Shepard, Kaidan, even Pressly and Joker have had contact with other species before. Not Ash. She has never met any of the Citadel species. Her reaction is akin to a kid on a field trip, marvelling at the sights.

And you're right. Her actions DO speak louder than her words. Most noticeably, she volunteers to help out the Salarian STG team on Virmire. An all alien team. Et tu Hellbound?

that was her being a dedicated soldier more than anything else. shes trying to live down the fact that her father or grandfather was the only human to surrender.

i dunno why but the entire time i talked to ashley, it was always like she was making excuses, sort of digging herself into a deeper hole.

A dedicated soldier who was racist and xenophobic would have volunteered to go with Shepard, or fly in with the bomb. No code of honour is requiring her to work with aliens, yet she does so.

[Funkcase]

Ash also tells Tali ''some humans blame the Quarians for the Geth'' and that ''Hopefully having you help take down Saren will change alot of humans minds on the Quarians''

She also care for Liara's feelings, she is the one who tells Shepard to go check up on her after Benezia's death.

And take her on the Citadel to speak to the Terra firma guy Saracino, she calls him out on most Terra firma supporters as ''just racists''

Doesn't sound like a racist to me. Ash maybe a bit stubborn, and patriotic, but she isn't racist.

It also depends on how you play, you could turn her into a racist if you renegade her with a racist Shepard, but you can do the same with Kaidan too.

Modifié par Funkcase, 21 août 2011 - 10:11 .

[Homebound]

^@both
what is it that Im missing?

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 août 2011 - 10:11 .

[Funkcase]

Honestly I haven't got a clue, lol. Ash is just complex, it's not a bad thing though, that makes a great character. I thought the writer did a great job with her. Some people understand her (if they agree with her or not) and others just cant understand her or dont want to in some cases (the ones that dont want to are usually just trolls though). We have to take it all into account that everything is new to her, she hasn't had much expierence with Aliens (atleast in ME1) Meeting aliens for the first time would be strange for anyone.

Modifié par Funkcase, 21 août 2011 - 10:35 .

[2Hard2C]

Okay my ratings (note I have romanced everybody romance-able at least once):

Kaidan: 4. He is nice enough, but honestly he really isn't that deep of a character.

Ashley: 7.5. She is an actual character. She is pretty complex, but not all that interesting. Good dialogue though.

Garrus: 8.5. I liked him well enough in Mass Effect. A bit of a lackey. However, he was a total bad**** in ME2, and was pretty deep.

Wrex: 9. He is a bad****, but is compelling at the same time. And funny. I have never killed him on any play through, ever.

Tali: 7.5. She is the best new love interest in ME2 for a male Sheppard. She has her good moments, but is so anti-Geth that is boring. She is really sweet, though.

Liara: 9.5. Yeah, I have never cheated on her if she was my love interest in another save(Six times total). Best LI, kinda.... stalkerish if your not romancing her, but is a completely believable character either way. Also has growth from Mass Effect to ME2.

Jacob: 7. He is solid. Direct, and very forward, but bland, and too distant for me. Even when romancing him.

Miranda: 5.5. Would be a 3, but at the end she said "Cerberus can suck it"(or at least to that extent). That is enough for me to kinda like her.

Zaeed: 7.5. A bit bland, but pretty kick****. He is Shepard, but he takes checks for his suicide missions.

Mordin: 9. A bit hyper and annoying to start with. But eventually I saw how deep of a character he was. Has a great loyalty mission to boot. And he is very funny in an odd way.

Kasumi: 8. She is funny. Has a great loyalty mission. Kinda flat, but pretty cool.

Jack: 7. Am really conflicted about her. She is a total cliche, but executed very well. A solid romance option, to be sure.

Grunt. 6.5. He is Wrex's replacement. He is alright, but honestly, Wrex should have been brought back. And I honestly think Okeer would have been better. Much better.

Thane: 8. He at first seems to be a assassin cliche. However, he is very interesting and really sold me after his loyalty mission. He became even better when I romanced him on one of my FemShep playthroughs.

Samara: 7.5. Liked her well enough. She is plenty deep, but a bit too distant, like Jacob.

Legion: 9.5. It was in my squad the entire (brief) time I had him. I found it to be funny, and endearing. Bioware had also a brilliant idea to include it. I hope it makes more than a cameo in ME3.

Joker: 4.5. He is funny, and has good quibs with and without EDI, beyond that though, pretty flat.

Dr. Chakwas: 8. I've grown to like her. The drink that I have with her is great and she has endeared herself upon me. She is pretty boring, but I like it that way.

EDI: 7. She needs to joke around more. Infinitely better than Joker, however.

Kelley: 7. She is in the game mostly for people who remain true to their Mass Effect LI. She doesn't effect anything ever, and is at least not a total cliche.

Kenneth + Gabriella: 8.5. Their banter is great. Well worth listening too.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Ash: 9/10
Kaidan: 5/10
Wrex: 11/10
Liara: 8.5/10
Garrus: 9.5/10
Tali: 6.5/10
Jacob: 7.5/10
Miranda: 8/10
Mordin: 8.5/10
Jack: 7/10
Grunt: 8/10
Thane: 9/10
Samara: 7/10
Morinth: 5/10
Zaeed: 8/10
Kasumi: 7/10
Legion: 10/10
Joker: 10/10
EDI: 7.5/10
Captain Anderson: 9.5/10
Ambassador Udina: 4/10
The Ilusive Man: 10/10
Conrad Verner: 8/10
Admiral Hackett: 8.5/10
Blasto the Hanar Spectre: 10/10
Shepard: Wrex/10

[Silentmode]

I'm going to try to be a little tougher on my ratings.

Garrus: 10. My standard for the other companions. Really well rounded character. He's a student of sorts to Shepard and one of the few characters you really feel like you can build a friendship with. Fantastic character.

Miranda: 9. Lot's of things I like about Miranda. Strong female character. An equal to Shepard in many different aspects. A personal plotline I find very interesting and I'm excited to see where is goes in ME3. Not to mention she doesn't look all that bad either. Great character.

Liara: 9. I liked the nerdy scientist persona in ME1 and I liked how her character evolved into a hardened information broker in 2. LotSB really put her over the top though. Probably my favorite romance as well. Great character as far as I'm concerned.

Mordin: 9. Easily the funniest companion yet. There's really not much to dislike about Mordin.

Wrex: 9. "Wrex." "Shepard." He's awesome. 'Nuff said.

Jack: 8. I was initially very put off by Jack. But I really began to appreciate her character over time. I especially like how she contrasts drastically from every other companion. Very unique in that sense.

Thane: 7. I like the stoic, religious, badass assassin. I just find Thane to be very intriquing.

Ashley: 7. Initially one of my favorite companions. Has kind of waned off since because of the emergence of other companions and the debacle that was Horizon. She has a realism about her character that I really like but doesn't fall into the Jacob trap of being boring at the same time. She may have the most potential of anyone of moving up this list if she has a good showing in ME3.

Legion: 6. I like Legion. I guess just not as much as other people. Can't really point to one thing as a reason. Legion's just an above average character for me.

Samara: 6. See Legion.

Kaidan: 6. A decent enough guy. Reliable and loyal, but he just doesn't have that uniqueness some of the other companions have.

Tali: 5. Gonna get flamed but she easily has the corniest romance. I liken it to a teenage school girl with a crush on the senior starting quaterback of the football team. Otherwise she's a decent character. Her ties to the overall Quarian/Geth plotline is really more interesting to me than her personally.

Grunt: 5. A battering ram. I don't dislike him I just can't really say I like him. I did really enjoy his loyalty mission and interactions with Wrex however.

Zaeed: 4. He's got a great VA. But otherwise just a one dimensional hard ass merc in my perspective.

Jacob: 4. The ultimate "meh" character. There's really nothing outwardly good or bad about the guy. He's just the average joe of the Normandy.

Kasumi: 4. She's never really seemed to fit in to me. What use could you really find for a thief on a military operation? Her character is decent enough she just doesn't fit well to me. Kind of one dimensional to me as well like Zaeed.

Morinth: 2. Not a lot of explanation needed.

[Homebound]

Funkcase wrote...

Honestly I haven't got a clue, lol. Ash is just complex, it's not a bad thing though, that makes a great character. I thought the writer did a great job with her. Some people understand her (if they agree with her or not) and others just cant understand her or dont want to in some cases (the ones that dont want to are usually just trolls though). We have to take it all into account that everything is new to her, she hasn't had much expierence with Aliens (atleast in ME1) Meeting aliens for the first time would be strange for anyone.

everr get the feeling like you're missing something right in frront of you? Ya its like that rightt now. This annoys me to no end.

[Made Nightwing]

^What exactly are you missing?