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[Wyndham711]

I think the best aspects of DA2 were the ones in which it most resembled Origins. Those glimpses of quality were what empowered me to slog through the sequel. I guess increasing the Origins influences for DA3 would be an improvement of a kind, but still a bitter, hollow, scitsophrenic compromise at that. I'd much sooner have a game that disposes entirely of the abject direction took by DA2, and continued firmly on the trail set by Origins.

[AAHook2]

People have the misconception that people who preferred Dragon Age Origins wanted the EXACT same game for the sequel.
This is not true.
What I wanted to see was a game that stuck to the virtues of the original. That being a game that was a tribute to the Fantasy genre in all forms (Literature, film, television, comic books) with a Dark Fantasy focus.
Growing up as a kid reading comics, the books I liked best were the ones with many kinds, sizes and shapes of characters. I valued heroes and villains with different powers and a variety of them. It stirred creativity in me, and I couldn't wait to see what the writers would come up with in the next installment.
Those values were further instilled in me when I read The Lord of the Rings for the first time when I was 9-years-old. I LOVED the fact that even the smallest person could be a great hero. My favorites were characters like Samwise, Gimli and Frodo in the book. I really loved Eowyn's stand against the Witch King. I really enjoy the unconventional hero.
Needless to say that when I play an RPG and there's an option to customize a character, I usually lean towards crafting an unconventional kind of character. It's that option that will actually draw me to a game.
With Origins, I liked the fact that I had these options and so did everyone else. You could go about your adventures as your typical, gorgeous, tall homogenous (Caucasian) hero, or you could be a dark skinned female dwarf commoner, if you wanted.
To me, the definition of epic was watching my Dwarf commoner during Leliana's song cutscene, and deciding that was the moment he fell in love with her. He didn't have to say anything, just listened to her.
There wasn't a single moment that was like that in Dragon Age 2.
What I want out of Dragon Age 3 is that feeling again. I don't want Origins redone with some kind of hybrid Dragon Age Legacy formula.
Go back to the Dark Fantasy letter. Put lots of options and varied storytelling, and for gods sake put back the race option.

[Cruehitman]

Regardless, DA3 has sadly become a "wait and see" for me. I know what they're saying about how they've listened to the public... but I can't trust that. Not this time. I'm not saying I wouldn't buy DA3. I will... IF, they REALLY did listen. I can't suffer through a rehash of DA2's shortcomings again. So, unfortunately for me, that means no pre-order this time around. Just finished my third playthrough of DA:O. Already traded DA2 back in. So you know which way I'm leaning towards the direction I want!

[Mike_Neel]

What's the point in playing at speculation. Deep down you know DA3 is going to be DA2 with more varied environments and possibly less back flip combat animations. They'll keep the dialogue wheel, it's biowares prized puppy after all, but they'll probably go back to more choices in the Side with group A or B and not have to fight both sides anyways because it's more "epic" to get betrayed and fight everyone no matter who you pick.

Besides there's no real point in arguing anymore. You've already made up your mind on what you want and how you're going to treat the future of the franchise.

[Cruehitman]

One other thing really scares me about what was said in the interview... "we also have an obligation to our new fans... the ones who were surprised and delighted with some new approaches and accessibility in terms of actions and combat."
Ok... now it is kind of vague, so I might be jumping to conclusions. But for me, I loved the accessibility and approaches from DA:O way more. One little example would be simply hitting the select button in DA:O and having access to EVERYTHING! Codex, quests both completed and current, inventory, skill trees, leveling up, etc. For some reason, DA2 decided to seperate most of it and make it more of a pain to access. Another thing that worries me... in DA:O, I could make my companions into whatever types of fighters I wanted. Especially the special skills sets (example would be for Warriors I could go into Champion, Berserker, Reaver, etc). In DA2 all of my players were set already and I couldn't build them into what type I wanted them to be. Felt very dumbed down to make things easier for a casual player. I want to make my own decisions with that, not be told how to make whom into what and that's it. And last but not least... weapons and armor. I LOVED once again equipping pretty much whatever I wanted on whomever I wanted. I could make someone a beast with a bow and arrow, or make that same person wicked with two weapons at the same time, either two swords, two daggers, or one of each. And when I was done with DA:O I had characters wearing some great armor sets. One wore the Blood Dragon, one wore the Juggernaut, one wore the Legion of the Dead armor, and one was wearing Wade's Dragonskin armor. I could also mix and match all sorts of different creations to boost their defenses and stats in all sorts of awesome ways. In DA2, that was completely stripped away to once again, make things easier for a casual gamer.

Anyway, I hope that is NOT what was meant by "accessibility" things they think people loved about DA2 and will be keeping for DA3.... to be honest, those are some real deal breakers for me. Just my opinion... and I could be wrong and these fears could be completely unwarranted... but they are still my fears right now nonetheless. We'll see...............

[filetemo]

if the art style is to be like DA2, DA3 can't be the best of both worlds

[Ultai]

Ah Ray Muzyka, stopped giving a damn what he's said for quite awhile now, since most of it is rehashed and usually has nothing of value to say. Hope he's enjoying that gig EA gave him.

[Dazaster Dellus]

It's funny, with all the negative flak DA2 has gotten it seems as though they are indeed skipping major expansion on DA2 and going right into making DA3. Bioware has already started hiring new people on to work on it and they have already mentioned more news coming. It seems as though they are going to write this one(DA2) off as "breaking even" and not really a win.

[Icinix]

If they really want to aim for a middle ground and hit the best of both worlds...

..well good luck to them, but I've begun to feel through reading comments and opinions that there may be more decisions that are mutually exclusive to either fans than I first thought.

[billy the squid]

Persephone wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

There's no right or wrong.

There's only opinions. As you may have noted, I started out by asking: What do "I" wish....

However, the general mood on the famed web, and amongst those of my friends who has played DA2, not to mention the failing sales, points toward more people agreeing with me than with you.

But in the end Bioware can make any game they wish (so long EA allows them to do so, of course). But they cannot sell any game they wish, and given the fact that I am pretty certain that the majority of the DA2 sales came from the succes of DA:O, and since Bioware has, IMO, squandered all the goodwill and trust they created with DA:O, they will have to produce something akin to a miracle to get the franchise back on track.

That's a tad over dramatic. Legacy did very well and if the upcoming DLC continue up that path, the franchise is doing well. Improvements are needed, yes.

But at the end of the day, no matter what Bioware does, there will be outrage.

Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with. When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2, and ignoring the issue that many of those who disliked DA2 just wouldn't bother to spend more money on a product which they didn't like.

Modifié par billy the squid, 22 août 2011 - 10:20 .

[Fireblader70]

billy the squid wrote...

Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with. When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2, and ignoring the issue that many of those who disliked DA2 just wouldn't bother to spend more money on a product which they didn't like.

This is true. Outside the BSN, Legacy garnered mixed reviews... mainly criticising the lack of a propelling narrative, as well as the usual criticisms of DA2 (linearity, similar enemies, you know). Something Fernando Melo must have missed, since when I heard him talk about Legacy, he only really referenced this social network when talking about the 'overwhelmingly positive' feedback.

Of course, that could just be to get more sales.

[Morroian]

billy the squid wrote...

Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with.

And from many who didn't.

billy the squid wrote...
 When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2,

You mean the reviews which clearly didn't reflect Legacy and were pandering to anti DA2 sentiment rather than assessing it on its own merits. 

Fireblader70 wrote...

This is true. Outside the BSN, Legacy garnered mixed reviews... mainly criticising the lack of a propelling narrative, as well as the usual criticisms of DA2 (linearity, similar enemies, you know). 

Well the narrative harked back to DAO as did the enemies.

Modifié par Morroian, 22 août 2011 - 10:47 .

[billy the squid]

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with.

And from many who didn't.

billy the squid wrote...
 When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2,

You mean the reviews which clearly didn't reflect Legacy and were pandering to anti DA2 sentiment rather than assessing it on its own merits. 

Fireblader70 wrote...

This is true. Outside the BSN, Legacy garnered mixed reviews... mainly criticising the lack of a propelling narrative, as well as the usual criticisms of DA2 (linearity, similar enemies, you know). 

Well the narrative harked back to DAO as did the enemies.

Really? The majority of people who criticised DA2 on the BSN after its release are claiming Legacy is succesful? 
Are we basing this on the responses to a handful of threads, mainly by individuals who enjoyed the game or had more minor issues with it. When compared to the sheer multiplicity of threads and the internet wide bashing of the DA2 after its release, I find that logic strange.

The critic reviews, those people lost any credibility they had, as proved when they reviewd DA2 highly. Yet,  the general response by gamers on those and other sites remains largely the same as it was to DA2, vitriolic and derisive, with little good said about it.

The BSN network is obviously somewhere were it will recieve praise, that is not to say that only those who frequent here bought it, but after the sheer scale of the abuse hurled at DA2 and the lack of any significant praise elsewhere for Legacy, implies it has been disregarded by a sizable portion of players who found the original product dissappointing or a waste of money, so simply chose not to buy the DLC.

Modifié par billy the squid, 22 août 2011 - 11:15 .

[Melca36]

billy the squid wrote...


Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with. When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2, and ignoring the issue that many of those who disliked DA2 just wouldn't bother to spend more money on a product which they didn't like.

Watch Bioware TV....

Fernando Melo said it did well. 

Legacy was actually better than ACT 3 of the game.

[Melca36]

Fireblader70 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with. When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2, and ignoring the issue that many of those who disliked DA2 just wouldn't bother to spend more money on a product which they didn't like.

This is true. Outside the BSN, Legacy garnered mixed reviews... mainly criticising the lack of a propelling narrative, as well as the usual criticisms of DA2 (linearity, similar enemies, you know). Something Fernando Melo must have missed, since when I heard him talk about Legacy, he only really referenced this social network when talking about the 'overwhelmingly positive' feedback.

Of course, that could just be to get more sales.

He said it did well at another session.

I had many issues with DA:2 but Legacy was a step on the right direction. 

The professional critic reviews were because those sites recieved so much backlash they had to get on the haters bandwagon.

[Firky]

Melca36 wrote...

The professional critic reviews were because those sites recieved so much backlash they had to get on the haters bandwagon.

If that were true in some cases, not that I necessarily think it is, would that be a win for games criticism, or a loss, I wonder.

[billy the squid]

Melca36 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...


Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with. When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2, and ignoring the issue that many of those who disliked DA2 just wouldn't bother to spend more money on a product which they didn't like.

Watch Bioware TV....

Fernando Melo said it did well. 

Legacy was actually better than ACT 3 of the game.

Do you mean, it did well considering the complete debacle which ensued after the release of DA2. Or it did well, as in the vein of "we gained lots of new fans" although they don't seem to have materialised in large numbers, and the torrent of abuse which was hurled at the game across the internet and the clear polarity that still exists.

And Legacy being better than Act 3, thats not something to be proud of. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 22 août 2011 - 11:43 .

[Kaizerzero2]

billy the squid wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...


Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with. When in many other places it seems to have recieved the same criticism and vitriol as DA2, and ignoring the issue that many of those who disliked DA2 just wouldn't bother to spend more money on a product which they didn't like.

Watch Bioware TV....

Fernando Melo said it did well. 

Legacy was actually better than ACT 3 of the game.

Do you mean, it did well considering the complete debacle which ensued after the release of DA2. Or it did well, as in the vein of "we gained lots of new fans" although they don't seem to have materialised in large numbers, and the torrent of abuse which was hurled at the game across the internet and the clear polarity that still exists.

And Legacy being better than Act 3, thats not something to be proud of. 

True. Legacy and other DLCs in the future might be better, but you still have a core game that is not. At least the Witcher team is trying to fix / add things to the game with their version 2 patch.
Bioware? "Hey, pay us $10 for this new DLC!! We really listened to you guys this time!"

[Morroian]

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Legacy did well? Please illuminate for me how this knowledge has come to light. Or is this being based on the reaction of the BSN players who actually liked the game to begin with.

And from many who didn't.

Really? The majority of people who criticised DA2 on the BSN after its release are claiming Legacy is succesful? 
Are we basing this on the responses to a handful of threads, mainly by individuals who enjoyed the game or had more minor issues with it. When compared to the sheer multiplicity of threads and the internet wide bashing of the DA2 after its release, I find that logic strange.

Please argue honestly and don't create strawmen, I never said "The majority of people who criticised DA2 on the BSN after its release are claiming Legacy is succesful" I said many who disliked DA2 but tried Legacy liked it.

billy the squid wrote...

The critic reviews, those people lost any credibility they had, as proved when they reviewd DA2 highly. Yet,  the general response by gamers on those and other sites remains largely the same as it was to DA2, vitriolic and derisive, with little good said about it. 

Try looking at the user scores for Legacy. As for the critics lacking credibility so why put stock in their reviews of Legacy then?

[Atakuma]

Kaizerzero2 wrote...

True. Legacy and other DLCs in the future might be better, but you still have a core game that is not. At least the Witcher team is trying to fix / add things to the game with their version 2 patch.
Bioware? "Hey, pay us $10 for this new DLC!! We really listened to you guys this time!"

Oh please, all the TW2 team are doing is fixing bugs and adding useless extras. They haven't improved anything significant since the games release.

[HanErlik]

Trusting Bioware after DA 2 disaster? Ha bloody ha.

[Archaven]

I'm laughing at what BW is saying here.. There will be no single game that can satisfy everyone. You end up jack of all trades master of none. With EA patting behind BW, don't expect to have a great title. Unless they are openly competing with COD with their BF3. And with their recent statement, i have lost faith with EA.

[Kilshrek]

Atakuma wrote...

Oh please, all the TW2 team are doing is fixing bugs and adding useless extras. They haven't improved anything significant since the games release.

Was there anything significant that needed fixing in the first place? I haven't gotten around to playing it of course, but from what I'd heard it did a job. And no reused environments, etc.

Of course TW 2 and DA 2 - apples and oranges, but in terms of complaints and dissatisfaction the people I know who've played TW 2 had much less negative to say about it compared to DA 2.

[IanPolaris]

Well, yes. TW2 was "fiddly" and it's realtime combat system (especially with QTEs turned on) was too difficult at low levels and too easy at high levels. Some combats (like the Kayren and Endrega Queen) were problematic.

-Polaris

[Archaven]

@IanPolaris
I played the game on normal with no skills and won the game no problem. The QTEs are not difficult. I believe majority were having that problem due to irresponsive hardwares where the game failed to recognise probably.