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[Captain_Obvious]

FieryDove wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Following Ian's logic, DA3 should be more of DA:O because he wants it that way.

I have something better that is new and innovative too!

DA3 should be like DA3!

This times one million. 

[the_one_54321]

Tautologies are rarely as profound as they attempt to be. DA:O is DA:O and DAII is DAII and DAIII will be DAIII regardless of anything at all because that's a simple definition of terms. It doesn't mean anything.

I can point to things in DA:O that I want in DAIII and I can point to things in DAII that I don't want to be in DAIII. I don't expect to get these things, but I can at least point to them.

[Apollo Starflare]

This is what I've been wanting to hear. They went in a lot of great directions with DA2, but for this reason and that it was too far, or didn't work out quite right (etc.). Thinking about DA3 I would say taking a step back to Origins in a few areas could definitely benefit the game: Especially considering that those areas could be honed and polished from the way we got them in DAO.

Oh and because it's been on my mind lately, here's my current top three pet 'I want it back' list. Nothing major like recycling here:

-Dwarf women!
-Weapon switching during combat and multi weapon builds in general (possible in DA2 but not really designed for). Giving rogues back non-dagger melee weapons would be nice too.
-Deadly mini-bosses. I miss the old Revenants and Ogres. Even on harder difficulties they just weren't the same somehow. The improved 'lieutenants' were cool for humanoid enemies and all, but nasties like Revs and Ogres should be different again in my opinion.

Oh and lastly, only include rings and amulets if you are going to bother to give them names! I've taken to junking all loot that isn't at least given a token name ('enchanted amulet' etc.)

[Brockololly]

“It’s interesting because the first reviews – the number of the
reviews was also very polarised, awesomely so. Lots of 90+ reviews, we
also got fans that I think in some cases who were expecting more Dragon
Age: Origins, and there was a misalignment of expectation there,” says
Dr Ray.

Sure, the first reviews being the Escapist or PC Gamer ones were absolutely glowing. Sickeningly so, for any game. Yet when you look at the metacritic for DA2 (PC), its got a grand total of 9 reviews at 90 or better, equal to 20%. Origins had 54 (81%) of reviews at 90 or higher. Neverming that DA2 has a massive amount of reviews firmly in the 80 or lower category.

And again, trotting out the notion that people who expected more of a traditional sequel are in the wrong. Just seems they were happy with trying to cash in on the Dragon Age name by plopping a two on the end and constantly saying how it was "Origins but better!" Never mind the people who did not enjoy the game for its own faults and problems who weren't even expecting a more traditional sequel.

And as always a "misalignment of expectations" falls solely on BioWare's doorstep. They need to know their audience and what they want and expect out of the game.

“One of the core values of Bioware is that we take feedback really
seriously, and we know that the core fans who were expecting more Dragon
Age Origins – we have to respond to that – we’re not willing to ignore
that, we’re going to take that head on.”

Fair enough but again, you can't lump all the problems of DA2 on misaligned expectations. While I would definitely prefer a more traditional BG style and paced game, I wasn't expecting that out of DA2. DA2's problems are glaring simply standing on their own and not even comparing it to Origins.

“We also have an obligation to our new fans,” adds Dr. Ray, “the ones
who were surprised and delighted with some new approaches and
accessibility in terms of action and combat”

Well, so they seem prefectly content tossing  BG/Origins fans under the bus in the transition from DAO to DA2 but these mysterious "new" fans are some sacred audience which must be appeased? What about the obligation to fans of BG or Origins in the transition from DAO to DA2?

Its easy to give nice platitudes and promises now, but the same was said prior to DA2 being launched. I'll just take a page from George RR Martin and A Dance With Dragons in saying: "Words are wind."

“What we need to do as developers is take that feedback from both sets
of fans to heart and see about marrying that in future games in the
Dragon Age franchise. I think that the team has actually got a great
plan. I think the team is going to have some things that are going to
surprise both sets of fans, both core fans and new fans with a marriage
of these… the best from both games, Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age
2. And we look forward more to talking about that in the future.”

This is one of my biggest issues- they have seemingly totally segregated the DA fanbase into "new fans" and "Origins fans." I don't know that simply marrying the 2 will result in anything other than both sides being unhappy. I don't want the best of both DA2 and Origins. I want something thats better than Origins. Better than BG2.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
We've heard that a long time ago. just words for now until details are revealed.

Pretty much.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[nitefyre410]

FieryDove wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Following Ian's logic, DA3 should be more of DA:O because he wants it that way.

I have something better that is new and innovative too!

DA3 should be like DA3!

 

Wait  reason and sense  on the BSN ? 

   

[MorrigansLove]

Lol, you watch they'll make DA3 exactly like DA2 with a few irrelevant things taken from Origins and say it's "the best of both worlds".

Modifié par MorrigansLove, 19 août 2011 - 10:02 .

[Lord Gremlin]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Lol, you watch they'll make DA3 exactly like DA2 with a few irrelevant things taken from Origins and say it's "the best of both worlds".

DA2 floped to the point where they gave away ME2 with every copy for free. And it had a lot of preorders based on success of DAO. With DA3 of this kind they won't earn any money.

[Xewaka]

It is me, or is this the first official confirmation that there will indeed be a Dragon Age 3?

[Callidus Thorn]

So if they try and combine the best of DAO and DA2, does that mean all they'll really achieve is pissing off all Dragon Age fans, as opposed to just some of them?

If they actually think that most people who didn't like DA2 wanted Origins 2, presumably they're going to try to make DA3 both Origins 2 and DA2 2, which I can't see working.

They'll have to pick one group of fans to favour, and going by most of their interviews, it's DA2 fans all the way.

[xkg]

Callidus Thorn wrote...
They'll have to pick one group of fans to favour

Yes. This is most reasonable comment in this thread.

Let them go into one direction completly. There is no middle ground here (IMO).
If they choose DA2 style - oh well there are other games. If they choose DAO style - Ill be happy.

I just want to know which direction they are going to pick for DA3 - and that is all I am asking.

Modifié par xkg, 19 août 2011 - 10:28 .

[Maconbar]

You got DA:O in my DA:2. No, you got DA:2 in my DA:O. Two great tastes that taste great together.

[willholt]

xkg wrote...

Callidus Thorn wrote...
They'll have to pick one group of fans to favour

Yes. This is most reasonable comment in this thread.

Let them go into one direction completly. There is no middle ground here (IMO).
If they choose DA2 style - oh well there are other games. If they choose DAO style - Ill be happy.

I just want to know which direction they are going to pick for DA3 - and that is all I am asking.

I'm under no illusion that they'll favour the DAO style/fan... I'm already resigned to the general direction being that of DA2.

Where they'll keep me on board is if they compromise on some of the decisions made for DA2. Stuff which for me is a deal-breaker, but which could be made to function both in DAO and DA2 fashion... Companion Amour being one of them. There's a few others, but that's better left for another thread.

There's obviously going to have to be signs of a good story, setting, and interesting characters as well, before I even consider buying... but for the most part, I'm pretty sure they are going to keep down the DA2 road

[Sylvianus]

I'm waiting for the details. I feel that it will be very interesting. But to be honest, DA3 will be likely very close to DA2. I'm under no illusion too.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 19 août 2011 - 11:06 .

[Savber100]

I'm not persuaded just yet...

I'll wait till Bioware proves it with the previews and interviews of DA3. Hopefully they will give us a preview of a sidequest that shows a variety of choices and consequnces. Until then, this is just words and words are wind.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I'll wait for details as well. Thanks for the link OP. That article comes off as the usual politically correct spin with no information worthy of note.

Who else is tired of hearing Bioware employees use the term "polarising" in conjunction with DA 2? I almost feel like DA 3 should come with a pair of sunglasses.

[Morroian]

Callidus Thorn wrote...

So if they try and combine the best of DAO and DA2, does that mean all they'll really achieve is pissing off all Dragon Age fans, as opposed to just some of them?

If they actually think that most people who didn't like DA2 wanted Origins 2, presumably they're going to try to make DA3 both Origins 2 and DA2 2, which I can't see working.

They'll have to pick one group of fans to favour, and going by most of their interviews, it's DA2 fans all the way.

Well going by the general response to Legacy they can appeal to both sets of fans. They need to take what they did there, tone down the animations a bit, add more illusion of choice and hopefully bingo!

xkg wrote...

Yes. This is most reasonable comment in this thread.

Let them go into one direction completly. There is no middle ground here (IMO).
If they choose DA2 style - oh well there are other games. If they choose DAO style - Ill be happy.

I just want to know which direction they are going to pick for DA3 - and that is all I am asking.

I think you have the answer and its in Legacy with further tweaking. As I said above it seemd to at least partially reconcile the fans.

Modifié par Morroian, 19 août 2011 - 11:38 .

[billy the squid]

Morroian wrote...

Callidus Thorn wrote...

So if they try and combine the best of DAO and DA2, does that mean all they'll really achieve is pissing off all Dragon Age fans, as opposed to just some of them?

If they actually think that most people who didn't like DA2 wanted Origins 2, presumably they're going to try to make DA3 both Origins 2 and DA2 2, which I can't see working.

They'll have to pick one group of fans to favour, and going by most of their interviews, it's DA2 fans all the way.

Well going by the general response to Legacy they can appeal to both sets of fans. They need to take what they did there, tone down the animations a bit, add more illusion of choice and hopefully bingo!

xkg wrote...

Yes. This is most reasonable comment in this thread.

Let them go into one direction completly. There is no middle ground here (IMO).
If they choose DA2 style - oh well there are other games. If they choose DAO style - Ill be happy.

I just want to know which direction they are going to pick for DA3 - and that is all I am asking.

I think you have the answer and its in Legacy with further tweaking. As I said above it seemd to at least partially reconcile the fans.

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Items such as the UI and attribute restrictions, equipment being streamlined, talent removal such as coercion, the art design, the rivalry system and dominant personality being implemented badly, the leveling system by simply adding more Hp etc. are not adressed by the direction taken in Legacy, nor by the proposed direction in design for greater accessability. Frankly I have partially resigned myself to the fact that Bioware will persist on this direction and any "blending" will be minor concessions, rather than the proposed best of both worlds, so until there is more detail that does not consist of marketing tripe which surrounded DA2 I remain sceptical.

[Morroian]

billy the squid wrote...

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

[billy the squid]

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

Oh really? please illuminate for me the clearly significant numbers.

Modifié par billy the squid, 20 août 2011 - 12:08 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Callidus Thorn wrote...

So if they try and combine the best of DAO and DA2, does that mean all they'll really achieve is pissing off all Dragon Age fans, as opposed to just some of them?

If they actually think that most people who didn't like DA2 wanted Origins 2, presumably they're going to try to make DA3 both Origins 2 and DA2 2, which I can't see working.

They'll have to pick one group of fans to favour, and going by most of their interviews, it's DA2 fans all the way.

Which is strange. DA2 sold less copies than Origins, it's price dropped much faster, they gave ME2 for free to boost DA2 sales... So basically you suggest they gonna favor the direction that has less fans and sells worse?
It's a case of Laidlaw. Bad case of Laidlaw. No known cure.

[Morroian]

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

Oh really? please illuminate for me the clearly significant numbers.

Its anecdotal obviously but the general reaction here from those who disliked DA2 but played Legacy was that they liked it. Sure there were some who didn't like both but they were clearly in the minority.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Does he copy+paste his comments?

Felt like I've been hearing them over and over.... and over and over.

In either case, we'll see what happens during DA 3 development.

Oh umm... I'm a "hater" right? So uhh... [insert obligatory link between copy pasted comments regarding DA 2 and copy pasted environments in DA 2 here]

Modifié par mrcrusty, 20 août 2011 - 12:17 .

[JamieCOTC]

The number one thing I hope for DA3 is that they take their damn time making it.

[TEWR]

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

Oh really? please illuminate for me the clearly significant numbers.

Yea.... I hated DAII for various reasons and loved Legacy.

[Cutlass Jack]

mrcrusty wrote...

Does he copy+paste his comments?

Felt like I've been hearing them over and over.... and over and over.

Like he'd be the only one on BSN guilty of that...