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[Sylvianus]

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

Oh really? please illuminate for me the clearly significant numbers.

Its anecdotal obviously but the general reaction here from those who disliked DA2 but played Legacy was that they liked it. Sure there were some who didn't like both but they were clearly in the minority.

Because the fans on the bsn were reasonable ( well even if rare ) and they know very well Legacy is a DLC that can't correct the errors of the main game. They'll do not forgive Bioware not to correct them in another full game. , the Responses to DA2 are still vivid despite the good results produced by legacy.

Why ? Because we're smarter than it appears. Because the distinction is huge and that, the fans do not forget it and they will not forget it. If Bioware forget, they will fall from their chairs.

And you forget that here it remains what ? well, The most lenient critics of Dragon Age II among those who didn't like this game or those disappointed  and those who loved Da2.

The rest is gone a long time ago. Forum activity declined in only two months. Obvious in my eyes.
 Bioware has lost many fans. And do not forget the comments elsewhere than on the bsn, which are just as critical as before.

They called Dragon Age II. fail, ****, etc etc. Bioware is lost, etc etc.

No, Legacy is just a dlc, and the true answers we'll see them soon.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 20 août 2011 - 12:38 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Does he copy+paste his comments?

Felt like I've been hearing them over and over.... and over and over.

Like he'd be the only one on BSN guilty of that...

Lol.

[billy the squid]

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

Oh really? please illuminate for me the clearly significant numbers.

Its anecdotal obviously but the general reaction here from those who disliked DA2 but played Legacy was that they liked it. Sure there were some who didn't like both but they were clearly in the minority.

And the evidence from here, where most of the vitriol thrown at the game has declined, simply illustrates many people simply haven't bothered with it. I haven't, as such I have felt little need to comment on Legacy, as I simply haven't bought it so the sample is inevitably going to show positive inclinations.

In addition the critic scores are mediocre, but I think we both realise that any credibility most of them had was lost long ago, so I take what they say with a large dose of salt. The reception in places such as Euro gamer, PC gamer etc however, has been the same vitriolic or derisive response that DA2 recieved, simply on a smaller scale, with little good said about it.

The BSN network is obviously somewhere were it will recieve praise, that is not to say that only those who frequent here bought it, but after the sheer scale of the abuse hurled at DA2 and the lack of any significant praise elsewhere for Legacy, implies it has been disregarded by a sizable portion of players who found the original product dissappointing or a waste of money, so simply chose not to buy it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 20 août 2011 - 12:38 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

Yeah, well, I'm trusting Bioware to get back to doing what it does best and that's make fantastic RPG's that are a cut above the rest.

If they do.... great! I'll buy the games. (In this case DA 3

If they don't......

Oh well. I won't buy the games.


And we won't know one way or they other which way they'll go until the game comes out. Until then I'll trust their word that they realize they made some mistakes with DA 2 and 3 will better satisfy the core.

If they release another wavetastic action pseudo RPG dungeon repeating ad nauseum mess then......I'll be a very sad monkey while playing other developers games.

Or...hey! I can always play Baldur's Gate 1&2 again thanks to GOG or go back to playing on a NWN RPG PW.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Giubba1985 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...557791464800257

Notch has got the right idea.

Well no, it's a pretty idiotic concept for me.

The Witcher did it with their Enchanced Version of the first game.

[Sylvianus]

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

Oh really? please illuminate for me the clearly significant numbers.

Its anecdotal obviously but the general reaction here from those who disliked DA2 but played Legacy was that they liked it. Sure there were some who didn't like both but they were clearly in the minority.

And the evidence from here, where most of the vitriol thrown at the game has declined, simply illustrates many people simply haven't bothered with it. I haven't, as such I have felt little need to comment on Legacy, as I simply haven't bought it so the sample is inevitably going to show positive inclinations.

In addition the critic scores are mediocre, but I think we both realise that any credibility most of them had was lost long ago, so I take what they say with a large dose of salt. The reception in places such as Euro gamer, PC gamer etc however, has been the same vitriolic or derisive response that DA2 recieved, simply on a smaller scale, with little good said about it.

The BSN network is obviously somewhere were it will recieve praise, that is not to say that only those who frequent here bought it, but after the sheer scale of the abuse hurled at DA2 and the lack of any significant praise elsewhere for Legacy, implies it has been disregarded by a sizable portion of players who found the original product dissappointing or a waste of money, so simply chose not to buy it.

Mhh, I kinda agree. Even if it's rare to see the bsn agreed on something, , this forum has lost much of its representativeness today. I can't really count on it too. Who know ? Even if legacy was praised, i can also imagine that many who hated DA2 didn't bother to buy it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 20 août 2011 - 01:15 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Continue with this awesome thread please:



If Bioware really take the time this time to develop DA3, then the result will be great. DA2 was average for me. Also, why does the ME series have better graphics always? Maybe they should use such an engine for DA3. Gameplay is more important than graphics BUT Bioware obviously can produce a game with good graphics and gameplay, so why can't DA games have both? If DA3 really is DA:O and DA2 combined, then the result should be good enough and here's to hoping for more realistic graphics this time too!

Also, Epic Templar Guy as companion?

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 20 août 2011 - 01:15 .

[Sylvianus]

Elton John is dead wrote...
and here's to hoping for more realistic graphics this time too!

Sorry to break your hope but....

It is unlikely that we will see a huge difference in graphics and art style in DAIII.

Well, at least Bioware is honest. It's better to know now...

One of my main concern already there for DA3. great.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 20 août 2011 - 01:21 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Sylvianus wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
and here's to hoping for more realistic graphics this time too!

sorry to break your hope but....

It is unlikely that we will see a huge difference in graphics and art style in DAIII.

Well, at least Bioware is honest. It's better to know now...

One of my main concern already there for DA3. Great.

Ah...that sucks. Here's to hoping for better gameplay then? We'll see...I'm hoping Bioware do really give DA3 the treatment it deserves but I don't think the DA series will ever revisit the glory that was Origins.

[Sylvianus]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
and here's to hoping for more realistic graphics this time too!

sorry to break your hope but....

It is unlikely that we will see a huge difference in graphics and art style in DAIII.

Well, at least Bioware is honest. It's better to know now...

One of my main concern already there for DA3. Great.

 I don't think the DA series will ever revisit the glory that was Origins.

For the first time, I  also dont think , the DA series will ever revisit the glory that was origins. I think it's better to only hope for a good game, better than DA2.

[dheer]

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
Unlikely, those who did enjoy Legacy seemed to already have approved of DA2 or had more minor issues which could be addressed via the DLC, or at least mitigated. For at least a sizable portion who have problems with DA2 at a more fundamental level, Legacy serves no purpose at all other than window dressing and haven't bothered with it, the polarisation remains.

Sorry there were clearly significant numbers of those who disliked DA2 but who liked Legacy.

Oh really? please illuminate for me the clearly significant numbers.

Its anecdotal obviously but the general reaction here from those who disliked DA2 but played Legacy was that they liked it. Sure there were some who didn't like both but they were clearly in the minority.

Well, I don't know about numbers but I enjoyed Legacy more than anything in the base game. I think DA2 is mediocre, at best and the problems of the main game are still present, but they can't really be fixed by a dlc. It, at least to me, showed a step in the right direction after a horrible misstep.

Modifié par dheer, 20 août 2011 - 01:50 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Sylvianus wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
and here's to hoping for more realistic graphics this time too!

sorry to break your hope but....

It is unlikely that we will see a huge difference in graphics and art style in DAIII.

Well, at least Bioware is honest. It's better to know now...

One of my main concern already there for DA3. Great.

 I don't think the DA series will ever revisit the glory that was Origins.

For the first time, I  also dont think , the DA series will ever revisit the glory that was origins. I think it's better to only hope for a good game, better than DA2.

Same here. I'm almost sure we won't be seeing a "Origins 2" but (judging from what I've seen in feedback for Legacy) Bioware seems to have addressed the major faults of Dragon Age 2. So at the very least, Dragon Age 3 could be an enjoyable action-RPG perhaps with choices that come with shocking consequences too.

[Kaizerzero2]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Lol, you watch they'll make DA3 exactly like DA2 with a few irrelevant things taken from Origins and say it's "the best of both worlds".

DA2 floped to the point where they gave away ME2 with every copy for free. And it had a lot of preorders based on success of DAO. With DA3 of this kind they won't earn any money.

I believe Bioware knows that a lot of people are going to be cautious this time around and not blindly pre-order...thus the hype machine starting early. I expect even more hype all the way until ME3 is released with a special 'teaser' for DA3 slated for 4th Q 2012. Sorry, I don't believe they're going to take their time with the game. Got to follow what the EA CEO said and make this title a yearly one.

[IanPolaris]

Kaizerzero2 wrote...

I believe Bioware knows that a lot of people are going to be cautious this time around and not blindly pre-order...thus the hype machine starting early. I expect even more hype all the way until ME3 is released with a special 'teaser' for DA3 slated for 4th Q 2012. Sorry, I don't believe they're going to take their time with the game. Got to follow what the EA CEO said and make this title a yearly one.

If that's the tack they take,then I confidently predict disaster (and probably the death of the franchise).  You simply can't put out a worthwhile RPG (or even an RPG-Hybrid) on a yearly cycle.  What you get will be frankly.....substandard.....(and that's the PG-13 version).

-Polaris

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I'm not going to pass any judgement on DA3 or the future of the franchise until everything is in writing and production. I do hope, however, that if they plan to make it "The best of both worlds", that they will return more to an Origins level of detail, design, effort, and complexity, and utilize some of the improvements from DA2 (friend/rivalry system, smoother combat flow).

DA3, if it's going to be worth anything, should be more of a polished and honed Origins, with some of the improvements of DA2 integrated.

Whatever DA3 is, however, I hope they at least make an attempt to create a coherent, connected, and immersive story this time, and leave the awesome buttons for the kiddie games.

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Cant have another baldurs gate without James Ohlen.

http://www.tor.com/b...nd-mike-laidlaw

"David Gaider: As I recall, we’d just finished work on the expansions forNeverwinter Nights. BioWare was eager to branch out into its own intellectual properties, and really the only question was what kinds of worlds we wanted to make. James Ohlen, the Lead Designer for Dragon Age at its outset, approached me to help put together a setting within some basic parameters: a fantasy world that hearkened back to the Baldur’s Gate series, something that both James and myself remembered fondly. (Baldur’s Gate IIwas the first game I worked on at BioWare.)"

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 20 août 2011 - 03:46 .

[Travie]

Wow, this thread exploded while I was gone

Anyway, heres my two cents.

1. Longer development cycle. Don't rush it out again!
2. A longer game like DA:O, I don't want to finish in 25-35 hours, more like 45+.
3. Bring back better alchemy and skills. Leaving them out entirely was a letdown.
4. More RPG mechanics and more choice in how the story ends, with a satisfying 'after action' conclusion like in DA:O.

Lastly, I'd really like to see an actual difference in difficulty on the higher settings other then 'it takes 4 times as long to kill.' The Arishok fight is a great example of this... I actually turned down the difficulty not because it was difficult, but because it took over 20 minutes of constant clicking with no challenge other than stamina.

At the end of the day I really don't care what kind of game they make, as long as it doesn't suck this time.

[SerWhat?]

This has probably been mentioned before but I couldn't find it. I thought and thought to try to figure out what I don't like about DA2. I think the fact that an act of terrorism was committed by one of my favorite characters kind of threw me for a loop. I have never been able to let Anders live in any of my games because there is NO reason in my books, fantasy or reality, where terrorism and the killing of so many inocents is forgivable. I don't know. Maybe I'm just to sensitive because of 9/11. All I know for sure is that I REALLY hated that there was no way to avoid that in the game.

[Time4Tiddy]

IanPolaris wrote...

Kaizerzero2 wrote...

Sorry, I don't believe they're going to take their time with the game. Got to follow what the EA CEO said and make this title a yearly one.

You simply can't put out a worthwhile RPG (or even an RPG-Hybrid) on a yearly cycle.  What you get will be frankly.....substandard.....(and that's the PG-13 version).

-Polaris

This.  It's too late for any future Dragon Ages to be anything other than rushed and sloppy.  Dragon Age: Origins was developed over five years.  DA2 was not even 18 months.  No way will they allow Bioware to spend the five years, or even three+ when they can smash it out in less than two years and guarantee at least a reasonable profit.  

In comparison, The Witcher came out in 2007 and its superior sequel came out four years later.  Clearly they were more interested in improving their property than just making money.  EA should take a note.  RPG fans will wait for a quality product. 

[Yuqi]

I will never understand, why almost every DA2 thread erupts into a war.

I belive bioware needed the negative feedback,to improve the franchise. They took a risk it semi-backfired, and they should be given a chance to improve themselves. I think Legacy showed that, and comments from the devs lead me to think, they realised there mistakes.

[Time4Tiddy]

lknewsome wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before but I couldn't find it. I thought and thought to try to figure out what I don't like about DA2. I think the fact that an act of terrorism was committed by one of my favorite characters kind of threw me for a loop. I have never been able to let Anders live in any of my games because there is NO reason in my books, fantasy or reality, where terrorism and the killing of so many inocents is forgivable. I don't know. Maybe I'm just to sensitive because of 9/11. All I know for sure is that I REALLY hated that there was no way to avoid that in the game.

I agree with this.  I only just recently finished DA2 (I started over several times before I made it all the way through).  I was shocked, disgusted, and disappointed with the way this was handled.  I was romancing Anders and had him at 100% friendship and could not believe there was no way to prevent this event from happening.  Then even when I chose the "you will come with me and try to make things right" it ended up basically being me saying "i will love you forever no matter what you did" which is NOT true.  And no resolution at all, just choosing whether to have an "epilogue mention" of Anders or not.  I don't know that I will even be able to be friendly to Anders in any future playthroughs, it just felt like I spent so much of the game developing my relationship with him only to have it become completely irrelevant to the forced storyline.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Sylvianus wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
and here's to hoping for more realistic graphics this time too!

Sorry to break your hope but....

It is unlikely that we will see a huge difference in graphics and art style in DAIII.

Well, at least Bioware is honest. It's better to know now...

One of my main concern already there for DA3. great.

Yeah...I'm a bit disappointed they are keeping the current visual style with fetal alcohol syndrome elves, darkspawn in matching hoodies and likely the goofy attack animations with jerky, over-the-top motions and random vanishing rogues.

I hope, at the very least, Bioware gives back some class customization instead of limiting classes to "define" them. Give warriors a ranged weapon option, let rogues use something besides "daggers" and mages use something beside "staves." You can make a skill/ability system easy for new players without gutting flexibility for players. DA 2 helped simplify feats, which was nice, but limited them too much to classes while killing some roleplaying skills. It's a mess in it's own way to me. I hope Bioware doesn't get so tunnel-visioned on streamlining in future releases because DA 2's class building was just boring to me and reminded me in yet another way that I wasn't playing a personalized character but one made by someone else. NWN character creation just felt so much more personalized and even DA:O felt so as well. In DA 3...please, allow for cross class skills and feats, and let a mage at least be able to pick up a damn sword! classes should be defined by bonuses and advantages, not hugely nonsensical limitations.

[Demon Velsper]

So it's gonna be DA:O with helmet toggle and slightly faster combat? Well, that's what it should be if they're taking the best from both.

More likely it'll be more of the atrocious art-style, over-the-top combat, linear story, and no choices, since those were the things they needed to "fix" from DA:O.

JohnEpler wrote...

And let's also try and cut out the off-topic posts, please.

I could make a snide remark about the nature of forums and topics and the appropiateness of your presence on them if that bothers you but apparently that's only allowed for you.

[Kail Ashton]

NERD FIGHT! NERD FIGHT! NERD FIGHT!

[twincast]

Well, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

That "announcement" was a given. The question is whether their idea of best of both worlds sufficiently aligns with mine. The ME team and I seem to be largely on the same page, but that doesn't mean the DA team and I are. Not to mention that put into numbers my idea of best of both worlds is about 50:50 for ME, but roughly 90:10 for DA, so a 50:50 approach for DA is way less likely to sway me. Still, I'll give them a final chance, but pre-order sight unseen? No way.