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[KenKenpachi]

yay this is now heading for lockdown. You know its kinda sad I think our Mods short of PMs have no clue whats going on here. I bet I could make a thread on eating babies and it would last 3 days if no one sent a PM.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Eski.Moe wrote...
I do have to scratch my head at those who put Robert Jordan and Wheel of Time. I can understand being annoyed with some of the conventions and the pacing of the books (from around 6 or 7 to 11) but worst? Eh, it's your loss I guess.

I generally lump worst with the ones I got most frustrated with, that's why. Robert Jordan's writing style killed it for me, I got horrible memories of Lord of the Rings while I was reading it(despite being written almost half a century later). The plot structure was non-existent and didn't even have the usual three act setup(it's a pretty common convention which pretty much all mediums of entertainments use eg.movies, games, books etc.) 
Maybe I just don't have the patience for it, after all each book is around 700-1000 pages and there are approx 12 books. And I was already getting sick of the first one quite quicklly.

[slimgrin]

@Eskimoe.

I grew up on the classics where the style and flow of a sentence is important, stuff like HG Wells, The Odyssey, Epic of Gilgamesh, Bram Stoker, Charles Dickens. I understand that modern literature is different in style, but if it doesn't flow, if in reading it I encounter all sorts of stop-and-go erratic prose, then I'm not interested. Period. Craft is important to me. It's how you deliver an idea.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 août 2011 - 04:33 .

[Chromie]

KenKenpachi wrote...

yay this is now heading for lockdown. You know its kinda sad I think our Mods short of PMs have no clue whats going on here. I bet I could make a thread on eating babies and it would last 3 days if no one sent a PM.

Like this guy?

[slimgrin]

Let people say what they want. I get tired of restrictions. I know it's a gaming site, but people want to express their opinions and they should be allowed to do so. That's why I've always liked the TW2 forums, you get to say what you like.

[Volus Warlord]

slimgrin wrote...

Let people say what they want. I get tired of restrictions. I know it's a gaming site, but people want to express their opinions and they should be allowed to do so. That's why I've always liked the TW2 forums, you get to say what you like.

psshh... HERESY! Get the torches and banhammers!

[Wereparrot]

slimgrin wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

The Quran and the Bible.

Old Testament is a great fantasy book!

But a tad verbose. *sniff*

Even non-Christians must surely recognise the Bible as a good read...especially the KJV

[Deathwurm]

Wereparrot wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

The Quran and the Bible.

Old Testament is a great fantasy book!

But a tad verbose. *sniff*

Even non-Christians must surely recognise the Bible as a good read...especially the KJV

Umm...no we don't.

It is: sadly, probably one of the worst Translated books out there.

[GodWood]

Wereparrot wrote...
Even non-Christians must surely recognise the Bible as a good read...especially the KJV

As a non-Christian who actually has read the Bible I can answer with a definite no.

Have you bloody read the book of Numbers? Jesus Christ that was boring!

[Wereparrot]

I really meant books like Samuel, Kings and Chronicles.

[Wereparrot]

Deathwurm wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

The Quran and the Bible.

Old Testament is a great fantasy book!

But a tad verbose. *sniff*

Even non-Christians must surely recognise the Bible as a good read...especially the KJV

Umm...no we don't.

It is: sadly, probably one of the worst Translated books out there.

*shrugs* IMO modern traslations lack the majesty of the language.

Much of The Silmarillion is written in the same style as the KJV.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Wereparrot wrote...
Even non-Christians must surely recognise the Bible as a good read...especially the KJV

I've read the KJV, and looking at it from a purely literary point of view, while there were some parts that flowed nicely and were interesting, most of it was not. The quality of writing varies a lot, and with all the "begats" with long genealoigies listed, and things like the detailed builiding instructions of the ark of the covenant, much of it read like about as riveting as reading a phone book.

Overall, I would not call it a "good read", though perhaps a useful read, as western culture has a lot of references to biblical sayings or concepts, and having read the Bible (especially the KJV), does, I think, improve one's cultural savvy.

What I am really wondering though is why so very, very few Christians have read the whole Bible. If I believed that there existed a book written by the most intelligent, perfect and morally superior being in the universe, that book would surely make it to the top of my "to read" list, and I'd put down whatever I was currently reading to devour that book, cover to cover.

Part of the reason, I suspect, that Christians so often haven't read the Bible, is that, for much of it, it really is a pretty tedious book to read.

[Lakhi]

I really dislike catcher in the rye.

[Deathwurm]

Wereparrot wrote...

*shrugs* IMO modern traslations lack the majesty of the language.

Much of The Silmarillion is written in the same style as the KJV.

I certainly think the book is important even though I personally am not a Believer...

I think that capturing the Majesty of the language is essential to what I would consider a good translation, so we agree there.

I dislike any translated book that tries to do it word-for-word without trying to capture the music of language while staying true to the meaning.

Penguin seems to publish most of my favorite translations.

[Lord Phoebus]

On second thought, I don't want to get involved in this discussion.

Modifié par Lord Phoebus, 20 août 2011 - 07:59 .

[PsychoWARD23]

I dunno, but the way the "Inheritance" series was handled pissed me off.

I used to enjoy them at least a little, but then Paolini thought it was a good idea to split the last book in to two different books, Brisngr was pretty bad, and it's been so long since I've read the others I have zero interest in the final one.

Doesn't help that when I look back I realize they were pretty cliche'd and whatnot either.

[Jessihatt]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm ashamed to admit this but I read the entire Twilight series before I released how idiotic, pathetic, retarded, asinine every single syllable in it was.
To give her credit where credit is due.  Stephenie Meyer has a knack for hiding the crap under giving people what they want.  I'm sort of a hopeless romantic so it spoke to me on a certain level.  I hate that it took me through all of the Glittery vampire and emo, psychic baby uturus BS for me to realize it is NOTHING but porn for people to young to watch actual porn.

Same, although I must say Harry Potter isn't that good either. The writing style is a bit child like to say the least.. And the whole "he lived because of his mother's love" bit.. yeah..

The Horse and His Boy or whatever it's called, that Narnia book, tried reading it when I was nine after I'd read the others but couldn't get past the third chapter and so have not read any of the others that follow it.

[Get Magna Carter]

maybe the second of the Greyhawk/Gord the rogue book by Gary Gygax...the battle at the beginning was so boring.....

[Blastback]

The Da Vinci Code. So badly written. Had to read it for a pop culture class. It was torture.

[Deathwurm]

Blastback wrote...

The Da Vinci Code. So badly written. Had to read it for a pop culture class. It was torture.

Couldn't stop laughing at the page that contained Brown's "Facts"...all of which were partial or outright untrue...then I put it back next to the Weekly World News because it was my turn at the Supermarket check-out. Closest that book should ever get to a Library.

[Blastback]

Deathwurm wrote...

Blastback wrote...

The Da Vinci Code. So badly written. Had to read it for a pop culture class. It was torture.

Couldn't stop laughing at the page that contained Brown's "Facts"...all of which were partial or outright untrue...then I put it back next to the Weekly World News because it was my turn at the Supermarket check-out. Closest that book should ever get to a Library.

I went into it expecting to resent the BS that Brown tried to pass for fact but was so turned off by the writing that I got to where I could care less.

[Dominus]

That's a very easy question: The Host, by stephenie meyer. People complain about the pacing in twilight(among other things), but you haven't felt the grueling mediocrity of a sluggish narrative until you touch the host.

Avoid at all costs. Seriously, killing with fire is a must.