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[Xariann]

 Spoilers are allowed in this forum, but just in case you don't wanna know anything about ME 3, I warn you to not read further. If you do, go ahead.

So in various demos and such, you "find out" Cerberus fights against Shepard. As someone who didn't do the Mass Effect 1 sidequests, but did just about everything there's in ME 2 and in its DLCs, that's quite a plot twist, although I suspected something fishy.

However, I am re-running ME 1 as part of my video guide. I am doing some of the sidequests I didn't do before and I decided to do the Cerberus ones specifically. I am baffled at how clear it is that Cerberus works with the Reapers (and also got my confirmation that Exogeni worked with Cerberus too, and that they gave data about the Thorians to them to help make husks).

First sidequest I do regards Exogeni and it's a room full of husks, and the same pikes the Geth use to make them. It turns out all the Exogeni scientists got turned into husks, and as the quest text says at the end "how the technology to make them got there is a mistery."

Then I do a couple of other missions to do with Cerberus, one of them I get from the Thorian mission, when I decrypt a console before I get rid of the Geth ship that latched on the Exogeni building. That particular mission says Exogeni sent samples from the Thorian studies to Cerberus, although the latter didn't say anything about their purpose. It also mentions the planet the samples went to. I get onto the planet and... surprise! 3 buildings full of husks.

Now that is obviously an indication that Cerberus works for the Reapers. On Horizon, when you fight against the Collectors and their husks, at some point one of your companions will say something like this (words differ depending on the companion), "Husks! The Illusive Man was right, the Collectors work for the Reapers." After that there's a further clarification in the conversation where it's said, "The technology doesn't come from the Geth, it comes from the Reapers."

So why doesn't it click straight away for Shepard that Cerberus works for them? Without doing those side quests in ME 1, one is left with the benefit of the doubt. But once you do them, it's quite clear. Further one of the sidequests mentions Cerberus trying to make a super soldier (guess what they do to Shepard in ME 2?) 

The whole thing where you get sent to the Collector's ship through a false distress signal and a bunch of other things make you think, but really, after doing those sidequests Shepard should have no doubt about what is going on. One thing that doesn't make sense is Cerberus trying to get to Shepard before the Collectors (which is where Liara comes into play and gives her body to Cerberus.) Then the whole thing where the Shadowbroker tells you (if you got the DLC) "The offer from the Collectors still stands." Is Cerberus playing some sort of shifty game with the Reapers, trying to act in a way that will benefit them, but being opportunistic, and possibly defy the Reapers as well? 

Thoughts?

Modifié par Xariann, 20 août 2011 - 12:03 .

[d1sciple]

yeah good ole tim is tryin to screw everyone. i'v read all the comics and played through both games a few times and i don't get where he's coming from. the artefact the turians found did something to him that's never explained but after that drama he goes on his crusade like he had discovered something, like he learned something about the reapers from it. as for why he rushed against the collectors to get shepard i think it's a combo of needing to use shep as a political tool for cerberus and wanting to know why they need him by studying him.

[KevShep]

Exogeni and Binary helx are actually controled by cerberus. Cerberus has many fronts.

Also you did not mention that cerberus is also responsable for helping Saren in his mission in ME1. Cerberus kills "banes" in ME1 and then uses his name to blackmail the doctor to keep her mouth closed about the quarian(Tali). This quarian happends to have intel that saren is a traitor.....and this doctor refers her to Fist(shadow broker agent) who betrays the broker and just happends to be working for Saren instead. Adm Kahoku tries to find out who killed his team(that ones that found banes body) so.......in order to cover up cerberus involvment they kill Kahoku and blackmail the doctor to keep quiet....remember to that the real banes worked for the doctor before....see a connection?

Edit correction....banes(or cerberus) blackmails the doctor for medical stuff. However this is irrelevant because it is still ties cerberus and saren(or reapers) together since they happen at the same time. Its possible that this "banes" guy has been using his threats for more then just medical stuff, as it would seem because of the timing of her refering the quarian to fist(betrays the shadow broker for saren) and banes being mentioned that cerberus is behind his death.

Modifié par KevShep, 21 août 2011 - 09:13 .

[Raven4030]

KevShep wrote...

Exogeni and Binary helx are actually controled by cerberus. Cerberus has many fronts.

Where did you get that idea? I mean, seems kind of ludicrous that Cerberus would willingly help Saren breed a Rachni army... Cerberus agents sure but...

Also you did not mention that cerberus is also responsable for helping Saren in his mission in ME1. Cerberus kills "banes" in ME1 and then uses his name to blackmail the doctor to keep her mouth closed about the quarian(Tali). This quarian happends to have intel that saren is a traitor.....and this doctor refers her to Fist(shadow broker agent) who betrays the broker and just happends to be working for Saren instead. Adm Kahoku tries to find out who killed his team(that ones that found banes body) so.......in order to cover up cerberus involvment they kill Kahoku and blackmail the doctor to keep quiet....remember to that the real banes worked for the doctor before....see a connection?

This is wrong on so many levels it's like you never even played the game.

[Xariann]

d1sciple wrote...

yeah good ole tim is tryin to screw everyone. i'v read all the comics and played through both games a few times and i don't get where he's coming from. the artefact the turians found did something to him that's never explained but after that drama he goes on his crusade like he had discovered something, like he learned something about the reapers from it. as for why he rushed against the collectors to get shepard i think it's a combo of needing to use shep as a political tool for cerberus and wanting to know why they need him by studying him.

I see, I think I need to read the comics about him. Also what you say about the political tool would make sense. Maybe ME 3 will shed some light. But it's a while yet before we find out

I still wonder a little, when you kill the human reaper you see the Illusive Man's face in the background. Many people say it's a graphical glitch, and it probably is. Still in the back of your mind you think about it a bit

[expanding panic]

Xariann wrote...

 Spoilers are allowed in this forum, but just in case you don't wanna know anything about ME 3, I warn you to not read further. If you do, go ahead.

I didn't read this because I want to know as little as I can about ME3. (Which is proving harder to do) But I just wanted to thank you for putting the warning in about Me3 spoilers. There are not many people who do that and because of that I know more then I would like to about Me3. so again I just wanted to say thanks

[Dean_the_Young]

Xariann wrote...

First sidequest I do regards Exogeni and it's a room full of husks, and the same pikes the Geth use to make them. It turns out all the Exogeni scientists got turned into husks, and as the quest text says at the end "how the technology to make them got there is a mistery."

Did you miss the point about how they were dug up by the miners, not brought in from outside? Including how the feet were in the stone?

There was nothing linking Cerberus or any foreign party to the site at all. The point was that the Dragon's Teeth pre-dated the Geth... which should have been impossible given that everyone thought Dragon's Teeth were geth tech.

Then I do a couple of other missions to do with Cerberus, one of them I get from the Thorian mission, when I decrypt a console before I get rid of the Geth ship that latched on the Exogeni building. That particular mission says Exogeni sent samples from the Thorian studies to Cerberus, although the latter didn't say anything about their purpose. It also mentions the planet the samples went to. I get onto the planet and... surprise! 3 buildings full of husks.

You're confusing your missions.

Now that is obviously an indication that Cerberus works for the Reapers. On Horizon, when you fight against the Collectors and their husks, at some point one of your companions will say something like this (words differ depending on the companion), "Husks! The Illusive Man was right, the Collectors work for the Reapers." After that there's a further clarification in the conversation where it's said, "The technology doesn't come from the Geth, it comes from the Reapers."

So why doesn't it click straight away for Shepard that Cerberus works for them?

Because Cerberus doesn't (before ME3).

There's nothing sinister about the proving of something the Illusive Man speculated at the very start of the game in your first conversation with him.

Without doing those side quests in ME 1, one is left with the benefit of the doubt.

After doing those side quests, most people also don't make up new things.

But once you do them, it's quite clear. Further one of the sidequests mentions Cerberus trying to make a super soldier (guess what they do to Shepard in ME 2?)

Something entirely different.

In ME1, they were trying to make grunts as shock troops: they were studying husks and creepers in particularly. Shepard's ressurection is neither a creation of a super soldier or even the same branches of technology: Shepard is a cyborg, not a genetics experiment (what Kohaku described the ME1 project as).

The whole thing where you get sent to the Collector's ship through a false distress signal and a bunch of other things make you think, but really, after doing those sidequests Shepard should have no doubt about what is going on.

Exactly what the Illusive Man admitted: taking the only chance available to mine the Collector ship's database.

One thing that doesn't make sense is Cerberus trying to get to Shepard before the Collectors (which is where Liara comes into play and gives her body to Cerberus.) Then the whole thing where the Shadowbroker tells you (if you got the DLC) "The offer from the Collectors still stands."

You know what also doesn't make sense with your theory?

The Illusive Man didn't know about the Reapers (besides an incredibly vague ominous foreboding) until after ME1. That's from the books, mind you.

Is Cerberus playing some sort of shifty game with the Reapers, trying to act in a way that will benefit them, but being opportunistic, and possibly defy the Reapers as well?

This is the only sensible thing in this entire post.

Thoughts?

You've worked very hard on something very stupid.

[d1sciple]

The Illusive Man didn't know about the Reapers (besides an incredibly vague ominous foreboding) until after ME1. That's from the books, mind you.

yeah that doesn't make sense. after being affected by the 'artifact' he then begins his Reaper mission. how much he actually knows is debatable but that part of the canon is long before ME1, in fact it's before Saren is made a spectre, just before the treaty between the humans and the council even, well before ME1 and well before Cerberus. when you see TIM on the last page he seems to be watching vids of ME1 like he's studying shepard, he's quite aged and is wearing a completely upscaled outfit, which is where we can draw the conclusion that this has been his goal since he was 'affected' and he's been working towards this ever since. nothing much has been offered as far as his exclusive knowledge goes but from the end of ME2 we know that his plan is alot bigger than what has been shown. he never mentions his personel relationship with Saren, he never induldges his knowledge of the Reapers, he never fronts up about all the dodgy experiments he started after coming into contact with the artifact, he never fronts up about his knowledge of the shadow broker or the collectors and on and on. he's bad, plain and simple and he's trying to screw the collectors, he just used Shepard to get something done, just what we don't quite know yet. after the comics and the books i'd go so far as to say that he's the bad guy in this story, the wizard of oz, the puppet master. the Reapers are just an event, he's the catalyst.

[KevShep]

Raven4030 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Exogeni and Binary helx are actually controled by cerberus. Cerberus has many fronts.

Where did you get that idea? I mean, seems kind of ludicrous that Cerberus would willingly help Saren breed a Rachni army... Cerberus agents sure but...

Also you did not mention that cerberus is also responsable for helping Saren in his mission in ME1. Cerberus kills "banes" in ME1 and then uses his name to blackmail the doctor to keep her mouth closed about the quarian(Tali). This quarian happends to have intel that saren is a traitor.....and this doctor refers her to Fist(shadow broker agent) who betrays the broker and just happends to be working for Saren instead. Adm Kahoku tries to find out who killed his team(that ones that found banes body) so.......in order to cover up cerberus involvment they kill Kahoku and blackmail the doctor to keep quiet....remember to that the real banes worked for the doctor before....see a connection?

This is wrong on so many levels it's like you never even played the game.

Cerberus is aiding the reapers. The reapers.....or should I say sovereign was behind the rachni wars (indoctrinated rachni).Cerberus is involved with Binary helx and Exogeni(They have a rachni queen and a Thorian) so because of there involvment with the whole banes thing then it is possible that cerberus is infact helping saren.
EDI says in ME2 that cerberus has many fronts that people dont know that are tied to cerberus. One of them is Binary helx.

Raven4030 wrote...
This is wrong on so many levels it's like you never even played the game.

care to explane? Iam actually playing through the first one again now when I posted it so I have a fresh memory. It does not take much to notice that cerberus and saren are involved in the Banes case....you need to play it again! However it is hard to pick up on if your not really looking in the first place. It took me a few play throughs to notice that this whole mess around Banes is actually solved in ME1.

Let me brake it down for you. Matriarch Benezia was at noveria at peak 15......this is a Binary helx complex! Saren has a major role in Binary helx(as stated by the lead salarian on noveria) . Binary helx has rachni! Cerberus HAS rachni as well !!!!!!!!! Interesting! On Feros there is a terminal that basicaly says that Exogeni is tied to cerberus which means that they know about the Thorian. Saren just happends to be in possession of a rachni and he knows about the thorian from the start . How do you think this is??????????? On top of that cerberus and saren are both for a fact involed in the banes case. Cerberus killed banes.....The doctor worked for Banse in the past......The quarian goes to the doctor(injured)....doctor refers her to Fist....Fist works for Saren....Saren payed him off....Now banes is blackmailing her....but banes is dead by cerberus....Kahoku is investigating why his team is dead(his team found banse dead).....so cerberus kills him!!!!!!!!!!!!  You cant see them both involved? so please tell me how you know that they are not because the evidence is very clear. The reason it does not make sense to you is (like most people) dont notice anything unless the devs throw it in our faces but in this case cerberus is in the shadows the entire time in ME1 and are still in ME2! So its easy for things to go unnoticed.

Cerberus+Reapers= Mass Effect plot!
Cerberus is everywhere in ME1! They are in the shadows of the main plot. They are a shadow organisation , everything they do is hidden so you have to pay attention to detail. What cerberus does is NOT going to be obvious. You only get involved with cerberus(most side quests) when you are after saren(banes mission)!....coincidence?    No.

Modifié par KevShep, 21 août 2011 - 09:29 .

[Lapis Lazuli]

^^^^^

absolutely. It was after participating in the forum and then playing thru ME1 again, that I noticed that people on this forum who haven't played ME1 in a long time tend to be unclear about what seems obvious to me.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, we can certainly rule out KevShep's 'theory'. That's a few loops loopier than a sonic game.

[BentOrgy]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, we can certainly rule out KevShep's 'theory'. That's a few loops loopier than a sonic game.

Not to seem snippy, but I completely agree, and I'm always a fan of sonic analogies. It reminded me of Zulu's "Vigil's a liar," theory.

[KevShep]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, we can certainly rule out KevShep's 'theory'. That's a few loops loopier than a sonic game.

Thats fine that you disagree, but your not a least seeing that there ARE some connections between cerberus and the reaprers . Not to mention that there are some unusual things about exogeni and binary helix that seem to point to cerberus as well.  

Nether me or anyone else can say for a fact at this point that anyone is correct. You cant rule it out Dean_the _Young if you dont know for sure. Judging by the facts that are there, then there does seem to be some weight to what Iam saying. I would like to know how you think that its loopy.... cause it does make sense given the info that we have.

People did not know that cerberus was going to be a major player in ME2 and it shocked alot of people to discover that cerberus plays too big of a role.   If you look at cerberus in ME1 then you notice.......that they ARE every were in it!   Cerberus was not part of the status quo for the mainstream in ME1 and look what happend! That means dont be biased against my theory just because it does not support the mainstream status quo!

Modifié par KevShep, 27 août 2011 - 12:03 .

[BentOrgy]

KevShep wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, we can certainly rule out KevShep's 'theory'. That's a few loops loopier than a sonic game.

Thats fine that you disagree, but your not a least seeing that there ARE some connections between cerberus and the reaprers . Not to mention that there are some unusual things about exogeni and binary helix that seem to point to cerberus as well.  

Nether me or anyone else can say for a fact at this point that anyone is correct. You cant rule it out Dean_the _Young if you dont know for sure. Judging by the facts that are there, then there does seem to be some weight to what Iam saying. I would like to know how you think that its loopy.... cause it does make sense given the info that we have.

People did not know that cerberus was going to be a major player in ME2 and it shocked alot of people to discover that cerberus plays too big of a role.   If you look at cerberus in ME1 then you notice.......that they ARE every were in it!   Cerberus was not part of the status quo for the mainstream in ME1 and look what happend! That means dont be biased against my theory just because it does not support the mainstream status quo!

I would like to point out something to you Kev, incase you've never thought of it:

We disagree, and therefore disregard your "Theories," NOT because we didn't try to see it your way, but because we DID, and didn't think it went anywhere. Over the many threads I've seen you in, either due to me, Raven, or someone else, you claim that we're "Biased" (You even went so far as to accuse me of being so "Out of the gate.") or that we're simply not "Following you."

Like we somehow got it wrong. We didn't; we fully comprehend what you're saying, and we still find your "Ideas" rather frail. You claim there are facts to support them, the problem is that they're not; they're merely certain patterns that you've elected to see a certain way to support your accusations. Very different things, especially when someone (Like myself on more than one occaision.) can clearly and objectively refute what you've said, or provided alternate views on the patterns you see.

[KevShep]

BentOrgy wrote...

I would like to point out something to you Kev, incase you've never thought of it:

We disagree, and therefore disregard your "Theories," NOT because we didn't try to see it your way, but because we DID, and didn't think it went anywhere. Over the many threads I've seen you in, either due to me, Raven, or someone else, you claim that we're "Biased" (You even went so far as to accuse me of being so "Out of the gate.") or that we're simply not "Following you."

Like we somehow got it wrong. We didn't; we fully comprehend what you're saying, and we still find your "Ideas" rather frail. You claim there are facts to support them, the problem is that they're not; they're merely certain patterns that you've elected to see a certain way to support your accusations. Very different things, especially when someone (Like myself on more than one occaision.) can clearly and objectively refute what you've said, or provided alternate views on the patterns you see.

Help me understand something then if you dont mind...... I have been giving facts(I will give an example) that have been ignored completely. I know that my theory is up in the air but many of my points that I point to is not being seen/noticed. 

Example-----
1. fact---------Saren and cerberus are in some way involved in the banse case.
2. fact---------Saren has major shares in Binary Helix.
3. fact---------Binary Helix has Rachni Queen.
4. fact---------Cerberus has Rachni as well.
5. fact---------Cerberus has many fronts to fund itself.
6. fact---------Saren gets his Genophage cure from Binary Helix(elevator news report).
7. fact---------Exogeni has Thorian.
8. fact---------Cerberus has Thorian creepers.
9. fact---------Saren works for the reapers.
10.fact--------Cerberus is working for the reapers in ME3( thought we are not sure how, Casey Hudson says we have to find out why.)

Its completely and utterly obvious that Saren(weather directly or indirectly) is involved with cerberus, or that cerberus is directly or indirectly involved with the reapers!

Iam being told that Ive been "clearly and objectively refuted" for thinking that by these 9 proven facts that my idea that cerberus uses binary helix/exogeni as fronts and that saren is a player in this when we also know that cerberus is working for the reapers in ME3?  My theory is based off of real facts!

No one has proven or even given me a little evidence that clearly states that Iam wrong. The only......."evidence".....that I have gotten from anyone against it is just as sceptical as my own theory. As sceptical as my theory is the facts remain! This is why I dont get why people think that they have proven me wrong and then claim that Iam to hard headed to see there facts, when there facts are not facts at all! Weather you agree or disagree my theory does have some weight to it that is being called an "obviously stupid theory" by completely ignoring the facts givin.
 

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, we can certainly rule out KevShep's 'theory'. That's a few loops loopier than a sonic game.

Even if its wrong....its still a good assuption based off of what we know....however Iam being told that its not even a good assumption because there is no facts to support it. I did not know that facts made a theory loopy.         Iam the one beating my head against a wall apparently.
 

Modifié par KevShep, 27 août 2011 - 09:11 .

[sfBlackfox]

I've never played the first game (cause I simply didn't know about it until ME2 and now can't find it anywhere). However, I do quiet a bit of 3D myself and like to keep posted about what happens in that world. In a 3DWorld issue, there was a detailed mention of ME2 and how they achieved it. In it stated that "They've spend quiet a bit on the eyes of the character for ME2, in fact, they had a separate team build just for the eyes". From that moment on, it didn't take me 5 seconds to know that the illusive man had at least some connection with the reapers.

Just look at his eyes, if Bioware spend so much time designing them, why make them look artificial.

[Raven4030]

@KevShep:

Back during the Cold War both the United States and the Soviet Union had ICBMs, they both had space programs, both armies used rifles as their primary infantry weapon, they both had nuclear submarines, they both spied on the other. I think they were both secretely allies and used the Cold War to dupe their people.

[KevShep]

Raven4030 wrote...

@KevShep:

Back during the Cold War both the United States and the Soviet Union had ICBMs, they both had space programs, both armies used rifles as their primary infantry weapon, they both had nuclear submarines, they both spied on the other. I think they were both secretely allies and used the Cold War to dupe their people.

I understand what your saying. However in the reference that you made about the cold war, in real life its true that similarities DONT always mean a connection. But.....in video games when there is a similarity involved then that almost always means a connection. Reason being is that if there is a connection then the devs would put time into development in order to create the similarity. This means that its not just a coincidence because its in the game as a similarity.

[Lapis Lazuli]

Raven4030 wrote...

@KevShep:

Back during the Cold War both the United States and the Soviet Union had ICBMs, they both had space programs, both armies used rifles as their primary infantry weapon, they both had nuclear submarines, they both spied on the other. I think they were both secretely allies and used the Cold War to dupe their people.

When you decrypt the server node in the upper level of the ExoGeni Base to get the Matano assignment, the ExoGeni employee's personal log reveals that ExoGeni provided samples to Cerberus. So at least we know for sure that one wasn't coincident. 

[BentOrgy]

KevShep wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

I would like to point out something to you Kev, incase you've never thought of it:

We disagree, and therefore disregard your "Theories," NOT because we didn't try to see it your way, but because we DID, and didn't think it went anywhere. Over the many threads I've seen you in, either due to me, Raven, or someone else, you claim that we're "Biased" (You even went so far as to accuse me of being so "Out of the gate.") or that we're simply not "Following you."

Like we somehow got it wrong. We didn't; we fully comprehend what you're saying, and we still find your "Ideas" rather frail. You claim there are facts to support them, the problem is that they're not; they're merely certain patterns that you've elected to see a certain way to support your accusations. Very different things, especially when someone (Like myself on more than one occaision.) can clearly and objectively refute what you've said, or provided alternate views on the patterns you see.

Help me understand something then if you dont mind...... I have been giving facts(I will give an example) that have been ignored completely. I know that my theory is up in the air but many of my points that I point to is not being seen/noticed. 

Example-----
1. fact---------Saren and cerberus are in some way involved in the banse case.
2. fact---------Saren has major shares in Binary Helix.
3. fact---------Binary Helix has Rachni Queen.
4. fact---------Cerberus has Rachni as well.
5. fact---------Cerberus has many fronts to fund itself.
6. fact---------Saren gets his Genophage cure from Binary Helix(elevator news report).
7. fact---------Exogeni has Thorian.
8. fact---------Cerberus has Thorian creepers.
9. fact---------Saren works for the reapers.
10.fact--------Cerberus is working for the reapers in ME3( thought we are not sure how, Casey Hudson says we have to find out why.)

Its completely and utterly obvious that Saren(weather directly or indirectly) is involved with cerberus, or that cerberus is directly or indirectly involved with the reapers!

Iam being told that Ive been "clearly and objectively refuted" for thinking that by these 9 proven facts that my idea that cerberus uses binary helix/exogeni as fronts and that saren is a player in this when we also know that cerberus is working for the reapers in ME3?  My theory is based off of real facts!

No one has proven or even given me a little evidence that clearly states that Iam wrong. The only......."evidence".....that I have gotten from anyone against it is just as sceptical as my own theory. As sceptical as my theory is the facts remain! This is why I dont get why people think that they have proven me wrong and then claim that Iam to hard headed to see there facts, when there facts are not facts at all! Weather you agree or disagree my theory does have some weight to it that is being called an "obviously stupid theory" by completely ignoring the facts givin.
 

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, we can certainly rule out KevShep's 'theory'. That's a few loops loopier than a sonic game.

Even if its wrong....its still a good assuption based off of what we know....however Iam being told that its not even a good assumption because there is no facts to support it. I did not know that facts made a theory loopy.         Iam the one beating my head against a wall apparently.
 

Allow me to clarify: I was not referring to THIS particular theory of yours, because (For once.) you've introduced valid points, ones that haven't been either misunderstood, or warped to justify your conclusions (Like the Omega, or Collector theories you've spouted before.)

Besides, my intial post was merely meant to remind you that we DO understand you. (When your posts aren't jumbled to hell and back due to lack of grammar, punctuation and/or spelling. Because that makes things even MORE difficult.) And that its not from lack of trying, or intelligence that we say "Nah, that's not it."

[Raven4030]

Lapis Lazuli wrote...

Raven4030 wrote...

@KevShep:

Back during the Cold War both the United States and the Soviet Union had ICBMs, they both had space programs, both armies used rifles as their primary infantry weapon, they both had nuclear submarines, they both spied on the other. I think they were both secretely allies and used the Cold War to dupe their people.

When you decrypt the server node in the upper level of the ExoGeni Base to get the Matano assignment, the ExoGeni employee's personal log reveals that ExoGeni provided samples to Cerberus. So at least we know for sure that one wasn't coincident. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not refuting that Cerberus had a connection to ExoGeni or Binary Helix. It's pretty clear that even if they weren't true fronts, at the very least they had dealings with Cerberus agents or there were Cerberus agents with high level positions in both groups.

I'm just refuting that a xenophobic human-supremicist group would ally itself with a human hating, turian, renegade spectre without "assuming direct control" levels of indoctrination (which would destroy the hosts in a matter of days instead of months or years). Especially since in the comics TIM is indirectly responsible for the death of Saren's brother.

I'm also refuting that the Banes case was at all related to Saren and the reapers because if you take the time to look for the confrontation on youtube, the Banes thing was simple blackmail for medical supplies, not for silence.

Modifié par Raven4030, 28 août 2011 - 06:19 .

[KevShep]

Raven4030 wrote...

I'm also refuting that the Banes case was at all related to Saren and the reapers because if you take the time to look for the confrontation on youtube, the Banes thing was simple blackmail for medical supplies, not for silence.

Your right about that one. I made a mistake on that. The doctor refers Tali to fist. Fist is now working for the saren. I just find it odd that both cerberus and saren were involved with the same person(the doctor) at the same exact time. Could they be related? maybe or maybe not we dont know yet!

Raven4030 wrote...
I'm just refuting that a xenophobic human-supremicist group would ally itself with a human hating, turian, renegade spectre without "assuming direct control" levels of indoctrination (which would destroy the hosts in a matter of days instead of months or years). Especially since in the comics TIM is indirectly responsible for the death of Saren's brother.

Saren might not know that cerberus is behind it. If cerberus is working for the reapers then only the reapers would know about it. I think that TIM is not indoctrinated but that he is willingly working for the reapers.  We have to find out why in ME3.

Modifié par KevShep, 28 août 2011 - 08:58 .

[KevShep]

[quote]BentOrgy wrote...

Allow me to clarify: I was not referring to THIS particular theory of yours, because (For once.) you've introduced valid points, ones that haven't been either misunderstood, or warped to justify your conclusions (Like the Omega, or Collector theories you've spouted before.)

Besides, my intial post was merely meant to remind you that we DO understand you. (When your posts aren't jumbled to hell and back due to lack of grammar, punctuation and/or spelling. Because that makes things even MORE difficult.) And that its not from lack of trying, or intelligence that we say "Nah, that's not it."
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Thank you for setting me straight on that.

My thoughts on Omega and the collectors is the same here. The only difference is that its mainly speculation. We dont have enough intel to say ether or on my theory there. I cant argue with the collector theory for that every reason and for me to do that is stupid. I was stupid to try in the first place, however its still a reasonable theory based on what we know but untill some actuall facts are put in place to say ether or then it holds firm.

Modifié par KevShep, 28 août 2011 - 10:29 .

[Lapis Lazuli]

Raven4030 wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not refuting that Cerberus had a connection to ExoGeni or Binary Helix. It's pretty clear that even if they weren't true fronts, at the very least they had dealings with Cerberus agents or there were Cerberus agents with high level positions in both groups.

I'm just refuting that a xenophobic human-supremicist group would ally itself with a human hating, turian, renegade spectre without "assuming direct control" levels of indoctrination (which would destroy the hosts in a matter of days instead of months or years). Especially since in the comics TIM is indirectly responsible for the death of Saren's brother.

I'm also refuting that the Banes case was at all related to Saren and the reapers because if you take the time to look for the confrontation on youtube, the Banes thing was simple blackmail for medical supplies, not for silence.

I think the writers intended more implications to the Banes case and my have ended up cutting some material because of deadlines and other considerations. The end product when they released the game is obviously buggy and incomplete in the context of Banes.  I have a sneaking suspicion that Banes couldn't be dismissed so easily had they completed the story elements. Anderson's reaction to the mentioning of his name says it all. Also, I think from what we learn of TIMs methodologies in ME2, he would be willing to use a human hating Turian to further his ends. To TIM, only the ends have relevance; the means don't have a smidgeon of significance. 

[Dean_the_Young]

KevShep wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, we can certainly rule out KevShep's 'theory'. That's a few loops loopier than a sonic game.

Even if its wrong....its still a good assuption based off of what we know....however Iam being told that its not even a good assumption because there is no facts to support it. I did not know that facts made a theory loopy.      
 

Actually, a plethora of facts but a dearth of proof is one of the trademarks of loopy conspiracy theories. It's the mindset that numbers of separations, rather than degrees of association, show a connection: your bit on Saren must be connected to Cerberus because they both had/were interested in Rachni is a case in point.

   Iam the one beating my head against a wall apparently.

Well, this explains much about your theory.