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[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Or how about the people that follow the orders of tyrants should be ashamed? I cannot control anyone except myself.

Did I say they shouldn't be? Though for the record you are simplifying a very complex situation. Defiance is easy when it isn't your ass on the line.

Stay in the suburbs, kid.

You're the one who added the complexity in the first place -- as far as we know in the game, the Hegemony is the form of government accepted by most of the Batarians.  There is nothing to imply that there is any active dissidence amongst the Batarians (apart from all of the one's we've met in the game apparently operate outside of Batarian Space, but there is more to suggest that they are merely expatriots rather then dissidents).  Also, we have no information on whether Batarians are "oppressed" by the Hegemony (like your real-world examples of Liby and Cuba).

That being said, unless Bioware chooses to expand upon what is known about the Batarians and the Hegemony in ME3, I'm deciding that there is not enough information to decide either way about their political nuances.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The majority is usually not very proactive as long as they can live their lives comfortably.

Your point being....? If they aren't doing anything to change their government, then they are consenting to it. That is my point.

Stay in the suburbs, kid.

5 years Naval service, including 2 overseas deployments, as well as mulitple visits to South America to visit my mom's side of the family. Yeah, I grew up in the suburbs, but I've also seen more of the world than most people, and I really doubt you have any grounds to be calling me 'kid'.

[Vyse_Fina]

Well in the actual game this decision will depend on many things. Mainly the situation at the time the decision is made. My decision would be influenced for example if I am faced with the choice between saving either the Salarians OR the Krogans compared to just saving races in an order.

If the gamedesign takes things like resources into consideration, then letting Thessia fall would probably be one of the worst things that could happen (allthough I doubt it because then people who dislike Asari would be ****ing about how they "have to save Asari no matter what". If done right it could be part of the balance though... Asari have resources, Turians ahve military power. Neither option is perfect. Could work  )

The Council might make a huge difference as well. Without a government accepted by all species, everyone will just do their own uncoordinated thing. Will I have help from the species I save? The rescuing the Turians early on might be a good idea since they have a large fleet to help us. Letting the Quarians wait for too long may result in their annihilations because they can hardly defend the Flotilla for long. The Geth... will most likely be reprogrammed yet again and turn into our enemies... Allthough I have no problem with them personally I think they could wait the longest since they won't be killed and the mind control is reversible (but also a moral controversy...). Maybe there will even be some new races (which has been hinted at) so they might mix all of that up completely. Maybe one of them is immune to the Reapers mind control trick. Who knows? Everything is possible!

So yeah, I can see how this decision may be influenced by half a million unpredictable factors. Will the game even allow us to chose or will the main part of the story be about something else? (finding some weapon the Prothean scientists may have left behind or maybe the prothea scientists themselves. They may have survived in some sort of stasis pods deep within the citadel where their power supply would be guaranteed by the Keepers.)

If it is just about my personal prefernces... I'd go with:

Asari
Quarians
Council
Turians (thank your councilor for not being higher on the list. He didn't listen and now I have to save this sorry ass regent again to prevent chaos in the universe... If I feel like it that day... and if there is an option to go "Ah yes" on him)
Salarians
Humans? (Depends. If this is a omega realy-style mission where you have to prepare first, 'we' might come later)
Hanar/Drell
Batharians
Elcor
Volus
Geth
Vorcha

New races could go anywhere on that list. Speaking of new races... isn't it remarkable how many species developed the technology to reach the Citadel? From what I understand it used to be only one race in the previous reaper-cycles. I wonder if that will play a role during ME3...
(Mass Effect 3 - Friendship is Magical )

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 28 août 2011 - 09:25 .

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm trying to figure out what your stance is.

Do you endorse terrorism or what? According to you there is no such thing as a civilian. Anyone who does not actively fight the tyrannical government is guilty of its crimes.

Civilian is anyone not formally in the military, but if we are at war with someone, then yes, they become valid targets if there is a real gain from attacking them. This fits perfectly within the framework of history. In WW2 the allies bombed german and japanese cities into dust in order to cripple Axis production of war material.

If your government is doing things that will invite the destruction of your nation, then every citizen has a duty to stop those actions, from the lowest laborer to the head of state.

If you try to divorse yourself from holding your government accountable, then you will get what you asked for: an unaccountable government.

I'm not claiming people get the government that they want but unless they are willing to put forth the work to achieve said government, they will get something else that is the product of their labors.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well as long as you are consisent and honest in the application of your morals I suppose I must concede the argument.

Heinous but logical, and I have a certain respect for that.

I could make an agument that the most heinous thing is to not be logical, if you like?

[Ghar Thurion]

On my first playthrough my Shepard will try to save the Volus, Asari, Turians, Elcor and Quarians.