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[Sisterofshane]

marshalleck wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

And on topic, after humans, my priorities would be:

1) Krogan
2) Quarians
3) Vorcha
4) Volus
5) Hanar (By extension, Drell)
6) Elcore
7) Turians
8) Salarians
9) Asari

The vorcha are number three?  Truly someone has been hanging with Seboist a little too much...

I kinda figured that the Vorcha, Asari, and Krogan (genophage free, of course), woukd be more likely to bounce back after a catastrophic depopulation, as opposed to the other races.  I guess that's why I put them lower on the list...

Quarians would have been 4th on my list....

Think of it like triage.

Exactly.

Well, what I mean is, since they would be more likely to 'bounce back' as it were, you'd put them higher. That way you're less likely to invest resources in a failed proposition.

That's not really "triage", but I see what you mean.  How very capatalist of you.

[marshalleck]

jreezy wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'm actually more interested to see what happens if the oh, so special humans just dies out completely.

Sure as hell sounds better than doing something so unbelievably stupid as sacrificing other species to save just one.

That will be the non-canon ending, like Shep failing the suicide misison. Sorry, the game is about saving Earth and humanity.

Non-canon? That phrase is non existent to me.

Well, you're going to be in for a surprise then when you play Mass Effect 4 and find out Liara was your Shepard's canon love interest, and you saved humanity from the Reapers.

[el master pr]

I will try to save everyone... and succeed. You guys just watch.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SandTrout wrote...

@Sisterofshane,

Note that I placed 3 of the weakest nations at the top of my list. Humans are my number 1 priority, always, and those species pose the least threat to humanity, and would actually probably be amenable to joining us as a client species.

The Bottom 3 on my list were the Council species because the pose the greatest obstacle to human expansion, and are least likely to join humanity as either subservient or co-equal status.

However, there will be no species sacrificed on pure basis of wanting to get rid of them (besides the Batarians). All species besides humanity will be subject to triage based on obtainable tactical advantage. Assuming equivalent tactical advantage, however, then my list enters into the picture.

Thats kind of how I based mine,I don't feel an attachment to any particular race,just members of it so the races I would save would be the least likely to impede human interest,and would most likely ally with us.

[SandTrout]

el master pr wrote...

I will try to save everyone... and succeed. You guys just watch.

Good luck with that.

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

@Sisterofshane,

Note that I placed 3 of the weakest nations at the top of my list. Humans are my number 1 priority, always, and those species pose the least threat to humanity, and would actually probably be amenable to joining us as a client species.

The Bottom 3 on my list were the Council species because the pose the greatest obstacle to human expansion, and are least likely to join humanity as either subservient or co-equal status.

However, there will be no species sacrificed on pure basis of wanting to get rid of them (besides the Batarians). All species besides humanity will be subject to triage based on obtainable tactical advantage. Assuming equivalent tactical advantage, however, then my list enters into the picture.

Man, give the spider-bats a break!

I like the way you think, but just because they are weak "governmentally", doesn't mean that they are an inferior species that needs rescuing.  That said, they indeed would make terrific client races.

And really, Turians made it up on my list because of my horrible, blatant Garrus fan-girlism.  It will definitely be my achilles heel in the game.

*hmmm, sacrifice Garrus or the School Bus full of preschoolers.....Let's go Garrus!*

[Leonia]

At the top of my priority list: turians, salarians, krogan. Because they are probably going to be the most useful in a galactic-wide war. Could care less about the Geth/quarian conflict but will probably try to get both on board if possible (if not, I'll go with the side I think is going to be the more useful in the overall conflict).

Humans and asari are some where in the middle of the priority list while non-Council species round out the bottom.. not because I dislike them but because I don't think they'll be as useful in the fight against the Reapers.

My canon Shepard is taking a very logical and practical approach to the Reaper invasion, you can't always save everyone and losses are to be expected. May as well use the best forces at your disposal and try to save what you can instead of trying to please everybody for the sake of minor sentimental gain.

Modifié par leonia42, 20 août 2011 - 06:21 .

[Kileyan]

What race do you save?

After reading the books, I don't save the Geth. I admit I don't trust or like them anyway, but is simply the fact that they are extremely susceptible to the Reapers. They can be re-programmed much more easily than a biological race who needs almost physical contact, or modifications to their organic structure for the Reapers to control them.

Reapers in the books were able to write some crazy invasive viruses. I can't trust even computers in the face of the Reapers, I sure won't be trusting any sentient computers that are sending out and recieving information constanty. The geth are compromised in my book.

[el master pr]

SandTrout wrote...

el master pr wrote...

I will try to save everyone... and succeed. You guys just watch.

Good luck with that.

There's a rock waiting for that turtle, and it's not gonna be funny.

[Last Vizard]

el master pr wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

el master pr wrote...

I will try to save everyone... and succeed. You guys just watch.

Good luck with that.

There's a rock waiting for that turtle, and it's not gonna be funny.

I'll laugh

[Ausstig]

I'll Save; Humans, Quarins and Krogen. I WILL KILL; Turians, Asrai and Salaians. While the rest I don't care about, they can live or die on there own.

[Golden Owl]

SandTrout wrote...

Anyone that is not putting Humanity at the top of their priority list is a traitor.

Would rather move beyond any Speciest or Patriotic clap trap myself.

[darthnick427]

I will save them all if possible. but if I have to choose.

Krogans, Turians, Asari, Salarians, are saved for sure. And i don't care what they say, I'm getting BOTH the Geth and the Quarians on my side.

[Sisterofshane]

Golden Owl wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Anyone that is not putting Humanity at the top of their priority list is a traitor.

Would rather move beyond any Speciest or Patriotic clap trap myself.

Patriotic we could move beyond, but species?  You'd basically be dooming yourself to extinction.  Who really wants to watch the loss of their own culture and history?

I mean, if there is no other choice but to sacrifice Humanity for the continuation of the Galaxy as we know it, so be it, but I'm gonna fight hard enough to make sure that my childrens' chlidren don't live as a second-class, endangered species (you think the Quarians really wanted to raise their children on a Flotilla?)

[LGTX]

I'd rather be a traitor and do something productive than get my concious satisfyed while billions of innocents die. Not putting emphasis on humanity or anything, just saying that when there's an intergalactic war, we should think strategically and save what's most valuable and prioritize assets for winning and/or surviving the war, not letting racism guide us.

I just can't see how you can solidify your arguments at saving humanity or other races above others without immediate context of the moment of choice, without knowing what will be brought to the table in case of saving one race or another.

[marshalleck]

LGTX wrote...

I'd rather be a traitor and do something productive than get my concious satisfyed while billions of innocents die. Not putting emphasis on humanity or anything, just saying that when there's an intergalactic war, we should think strategically and save what's most valuable and prioritize assets for winning and/or surviving the war, not letting racism guide us.

I just can't see how you can solidify your arguments at saving humanity or other races above others without immediate context of the moment of choice, without knowing what will be brought to the table in case of saving one race or another.

If being concerned that your species even has a future in the first place makes one racist, then so be it.

As to the second remark, the meaning is unclear to me. It almost sounds like you're saying you can't make a decision without knowing what the results will be?

[Gruntyfy]

Great comments thanks.

[Golden Owl]

SandTrout wrote...

@Sisterofshane,

Note that I placed 3 of the weakest nations at the top of my list. Humans are my number 1 priority, always, and those species pose the least threat to humanity, and would actually probably be amenable to joining us as a client species.

The Bottom 3 on my list were the Council species because the pose the greatest obstacle to human expansion, and are least likely to join humanity as either subservient or co-equal status.

However, there will be no species sacrificed on pure basis of wanting to get rid of them (besides the Batarians). All species besides humanity will be subject to triage based on obtainable tactical advantage. Assuming equivalent tactical advantage, however, then my list enters into the picture.

You don't consider the Krogan and organized Vorcha (through another species) a threat?...

[Golden Owl]

marshalleck wrote...

jreezy wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'm actually more interested to see what happens if the oh, so special humans just dies out completely.

Sure as hell sounds better than doing something so unbelievably stupid as sacrificing other species to save just one.

That will be the non-canon ending, like Shep failing the suicide misison. Sorry, the game is about saving Earth and humanity.

Non-canon? That phrase is non existent to me.

Well, you're going to be in for a surprise then when you play Mass Effect 4 and find out Liara was your Shepard's canon love interest, and you saved humanity from the Reapers.

That would p*ss me off....<_<

[Golden Owl]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Anyone that is not putting Humanity at the top of their priority list is a traitor.

Would rather move beyond any Speciest or Patriotic clap trap myself.

Patriotic we could move beyond, but species?  You'd basically be dooming yourself to extinction.  Who really wants to watch the loss of their own culture and history?

I mean, if there is no other choice but to sacrifice Humanity for the continuation of the Galaxy as we know it, so be it, but I'm gonna fight hard enough to make sure that my childrens' chlidren don't live as a second-class, endangered species (you think the Quarians really wanted to raise their children on a Flotilla?)

My list from page one....note humans are not at the bottom:



From priority down:

Turians....A well organized species.

Humans...Despite all the carry on, I like humans.

Asari....A balance to Turian and Human aggression....hopefully wisdom

Drell....Seem a deepish species....handy archives if a great deal is lost in the Reaper war too.

Geth....Would provide a good balance to Government and encourage deeper questioning of our values.

Rachni....Just something so beautiful about their perception....song, colors, etc...

Quarian...If they can reach resolution, could be a valuable member to the Galactic community.

Salarians...Scientific genius's, but need a controlling element...they don't have the wisdom to utilize safely.

Hanar....Quite interesting.

Elcor....Generally harmless.

Volus....Generally harmless.

Batarians....Their similarity to humans grates on us...but I think peace with them is worth working toward.

Krogan....A very dangerous species, they will bite the Galactic community in the *ss again, I don't trust them.

Vorcha....A blight, a dangerous threat if another species organized them.

Yahg....A very dangerous species, much like the Krogan.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 20 août 2011 - 07:59 .

[Ultai]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Patriotic we could move beyond, but species?  You'd basically be dooming yourself to extinction.  Who really wants to watch the loss of their own culture and history?

A person with self loathing or hatred for one's own species if I were to venture a guess.

There's nothing wrong with self-interest.  As for me, I choose to save the ones that will be the most beneficial to the overall war effort.  Starting with humans and turians for the firepower(go go arms race thanks to new council), salarians will help in some way with intel and covert actions.  I'll put aside my general dislike for the asari since they're probably the most populous and have a decent militant arm to use, along with biotics.  

Depending on how many krogan we got, they'll be useful for the ground ops against the mass amount of husks and other abominations. Hard to say with the "good" Geth, haven't really seen much of their numbers and hardware.  Quarians will only be useful in ship/orbital combat, even then it's mostly dated ships.  Hell I'll even try to get the batarians on board and see if their mirror system or whatever it is can do something, it might improve relations.  

Anything not mentioned here to me isn't worth the effort, which is sad since the elcor hanar and volus are the more alien species out of all of them, and drell are just too few in number.

[LGTX]

marshalleck wrote...

LGTX wrote...

I'd rather be a traitor and do something productive than get my concious satisfyed while billions of innocents die. Not putting emphasis on humanity or anything, just saying that when there's an intergalactic war, we should think strategically and save what's most valuable and prioritize assets for winning and/or surviving the war, not letting racism guide us.

I just can't see how you can solidify your arguments at saving humanity or other races above others without immediate context of the moment of choice, without knowing what will be brought to the table in case of saving one race or another.

If being concerned that your species even has a future in the first place makes one racist, then so be it.

As to the second remark, the meaning is unclear to me. It almost sounds like you're saying you can't make a decision without knowing what the results will be?

I guess yes, that's the worst kind of racism. Though I still don't get where this whole topic came from. Is it about choosing humanity above another race in some pivotal decision? Or what?

Which leads me to the second remark which you didn't understand. Of course you can't know the results, but you will know the immediate context, the pros and cons, all that. Things which diminish morals and racial preferences. If, let's say, the vorcha have developed a superweapon against the Reapers and are holding it on their homeworld (just bear with the sillyness) and the humans are stuck on Earth with 90% population gone and having nothing to offer in the war, and you have to make an ultimate choice on which planet to save, what will you do? THAT'S what I meant. We don't have the immediate context as of yet, so speculating too deep doesn't seem wise.

Modifié par LGTX, 20 août 2011 - 08:04 .

[Massadonious1]

Well, I, for one, have always had a hard time placing this particular argument in the context of "humanity" as we are the only space faring, intelligent species in the universe right now. If we were living in the Mass Effect universe as it stands, then maybe most of us would have "human" first leanings, but I would still hope that we have evolved enough that there is still tolerance in, and out, of our own species.

Just fill in the blank with White, Muslim, Christian, Environmentalists, etc. It should be easy to see why so many people take issue with a "______ First" philosophy.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 20 août 2011 - 08:05 .

[medcsu]

I will consider saving/siding with anyone I feel will be crucial to a new galaxy order that will be strong. Humanity will be my main choice and I will allow destruction of any other race that tries to stop that. Other than that:
Turians: They are a solid people, strong military which is always nice to have. While they have the typical idiot(s) in their race I feel that overall they are worthwhile.
Volus: Ties to the Turians make them an issue. Kind of a "package deal" sort of thing. In truth, they seem to have great ties with the galaxy markets and that itself makes them worth keep around.
Krogan: Iffy on them. I think if left to repopulate they will cause issues again. Though I like several of them, I have no problem offing them if needed.
Quarians: Worthless and filled with drama in my view. While a few (Reeger/Tali) have proven to be solid allies, I see them more of a band of traveling gypsies that are more focused on internal drama and also are a "woe is me" culture. I have little to no time for them due to this.
Geth: I wouldn't think that the Geth have the ability to "backstab" once a bargain is made. In this I feel they would make a solid (excellent) ally in that they are militarily powerful, can think on a fly, and don't seem to have goals of eradication (non heretics). I think the Geth would be just fine to be free to forge their own path if it doesnt include random attacks and it is just self defense, etc.
Asari: The fact that they are so ancient and wise makes them a race I would never want to be rid of. Between their wisdom, designs, and commitment to the galaxy as a whole, I would prefer them surviving. History is important and who better to tell you it than a 1000 year old that was actually alive.
Elcor: Not enough to go by. Seem peaceful and want to work toward that end. I fear they will be hit insanely hard by the Reaper invasion with little to no way to defend themselves. Rather have them stick around.
Drell: Again, not enough to really know. Though their numbers indicate they are almost extinct, I would prefer them not all dying out.
Yahg: Brutal as far as we know. If given tech could pose serious threat to the galaxy. Try to get aid one final time against the Reapers and if they react the same way as before, wipe them all out.
Batarians: Interesting race in which I am torn on. I think if the Batarians are given a chance, they would do just fine and maybe even become strong human allies. Under their current rule though, this wont happen. Perhaps the Reaper invasion will allow them to reset, join the council races and change their path. Jury is out on them until ME3 where I see their actions.
Cerberus: I agree with the IM and his methods. Though harsh, I think you have to act this way to get results and I approve of this. We will probably wipe them out in ME3 which doesnt really bother me, but I do like their approach (when they arent hunting me).