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[Barquiel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...

That might be the worst analogy I have ever heard in my entire life.

You should explain why.

Earth won't remain unscathed. The reapers attack Earth first.

[Arijharn]

Barquiel wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Sure I want to save the other species too, but I can't see why humanity shouldn't benefit from the experience...

Humanity doesn't benefit from the experience if everything is in ruins and the galaxy sinks in anarchy and chaos.

I'm not sure how you got that result from what I said, just because I want humanity to 'come first' doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to act 'callous' to my allies if I can help it. You know why? Because I want my allies to remain allies! If I flick them off all the time, well... they probably wont stay allies for long.

Having said that, in any engagement we're going to loose things, it's naive to think otherwise imo (especially how BioWare said words to the effect that they want to give us gut punches) so I'm going to probably filter some things through a filter to humanity's benefit, but only if the situation really calls for it, and that would obviously depend on the circumstance in question.

[Leonia]

Barquiel wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...

That might be the worst analogy I have ever heard in my entire life.

You should explain why.

Earth won't remain unscathed. The reapers attack Earth first.

Can't believe I'm agreeing but I see where Saphra was going with the analogy, as tasteless as it may seem.

Humanity just might have other issues in the future, post-Reaper War and the other species might not be so inclined to help them out next time they get into trouble, but if there aren't many of the other species left it might be a moot issue. From a pro-humanity perspective, that's a bridge you'll just have to cross when you get to it.

Personally, I am more in support of the non-human species because they've proved themselves to be capable of sitting at the top of the pyramid without oppressing the othe species (that would be the turians, for those not following the lore too closely). The salarians and asari have proved themselves countless times, as have the turians and even the krogan have a chance to redeem themselves. Humanity doesn't strike me as a team player, while some see that isolationism as a strength.. I see it as a weakness.

No one species should dictate how the others are to live. There doesn't need to be human dominance or any other sort of dominance. A Reaper War has the potential to bring the galaxy together not just for a short-term goal but in the long-term as well. Cooperation over division has a real chance of winning here.

Modifié par leonia42, 20 août 2011 - 01:50 .

[lovgreno]

Together we stand or apart we fall. The proud, fearfull and greedy stands alone in the end.

[CroGamer002]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...

That might be the worst analogy I have ever heard in my entire life.

You should explain why.

Majority of European population was untouched, while most of France wasn't bombed.


And EU is still behind USA and China, especially in military power.



Oh and, EU still has Europe.
Humanity without Earth and it's population is nothing.

Modifié par Mesina2, 20 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[Seboist]

Luc0s wrote...

Anyone who doesn't put humanity on top of his "priority list" is insane.

Why the hell would you NOT put your own species on top of the priority list?

Self-hating xenophiles are a strange bunch.

[TobyHasEyes]

Seboist wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Anyone who doesn't put humanity on top of his "priority list" is insane.

Why the hell would you NOT put your own species on top of the priority list?

Self-hating xenophiles are a strange bunch.

 You might judge the species' as having equal individual value, and recognise that as some other species' have higher populations then allowing them to die would be a greater loss of life (which you judge to have equivalent value)

 No self hate involved

[The Elder King]

Luc0s wrote...

Anyone who doesn't put humanity on top of his "priority list" is insane.

Why the hell would you NOT put your own species on top of the priority list?

Humanity is on the top of my priority list. But to save humanity I need the other species. Especially the strong ones.
Though I'm not going to intentionally screw some species. While my main mission will be to save humanity, I'll try to support and save as many species as I can,(if there's going to be some type of limit) so that they can help me fight the Reapers and save Earth.  And I'll start with the strongest.

Modifié par hhh89, 20 août 2011 - 01:55 .

[Arppis]

Luc0s wrote...

Anyone who doesn't put humanity on top of his "priority list" is insane.

Why the hell would you NOT put your own species on top of the priority list?

I have to say thou, it depends a lot on sittulation. If survival of humanity would mean sacrificing all other races, let's say. I wouldn't propably do it. Or basicaly ruining the galaxy somehow. But yeah, I'll try to save as many races as possible, including humanity.

But yeah, humanity is atm the top priority, because they are being attacked the hardest.

Modifié par Arppis, 20 août 2011 - 01:55 .

[Someone With Mass]

Arppis wrote...

I have to say thou, it depends a lot on sittulation. If survival of humanity would mean sacrificing all other races, let's say. I wouldn't propably do it. Or basicaly ruining the galaxy somehow. But yeah, I'll try to save as many races as possible, including humanity.

But yeah, humanity is atm the top priority, because they are being attacked the hardest.

Not as hard as the turians...

[Garrus.Vakarian]

Save:

1) Geth
2) Hanar
3) Drell
4) Asari
5) Turians
6) Salarians
7) Elcor

Sacrifice:

1) Humans
2) Batarians
3) Quarians
4) Vorcha
5) Volus
6) Rachni
7) Krogan
8) Yahg

Modifié par Garrus.Vakarian, 20 août 2011 - 02:02 .

[The Elder King]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I have to say thou, it depends a lot on sittulation. If survival of humanity would mean sacrificing all other races, let's say. I wouldn't propably do it. Or basicaly ruining the galaxy somehow. But yeah, I'll try to save as many races as possible, including humanity.

But yeah, humanity is atm the top priority, because they are being attacked the hardest.

Not as hard as the turians...

We don't know if the evacuation of Palaven is measure of precaution or if it's because the Reapers are heavily attacking the Turians. We knew that every species are being attacked, we don't know in which measure.

[Sylvanpyxie]

Turians for their battle prowess.
Salarians for their pure utter genius.
Asari for their biotic strength.
Humans for their adaptability.

While i'd like to save them all, if i had to sacrifice some species to save others, the above four are the ones i'd save above all else. If the war went south and Reapers started gaining momentum, they'd be the ones most likely to form an effective strategy without losing battle prowess. More effective over all than Elcor, Volus, Hanar, etc.

While Geth could be handy in a situation like that, there'd also be a high risk factor that Reapers could somehow reintroduce the Heretic's Logic. Which isn't a risk i'd like to take if the War is being lost, which is why they aren't on the "urgently save" list.

That, be my logic, Cap'in.

[TobyHasEyes]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

You might judge the species' as having equal individual value, and recognise that as some other species' have higher populations then allowing them to die would be a greater loss of life (which you judge to have equivalent value)

 No self hate involved

You could do that, but you'd be delusional and misguided. You need to prioritize the survival of your own people because nobody else will. Somebody needs to be willing to prioritize humans or humans will get stomped flat. You also have to consider which species can most easily recover. That puts the asari and vorcha at the bottom of your list. Followed by the salarians and turians who have massive populations spread across multiple colonies.

Krogan, humans, and quarians (and maybe volus) aren't so widespread.

And again we reach this inevitable point where it is insisted that everyone is just waiting to dominate you and as such you have to dominate others

 To say that we have to prioritise humanity or we will die assumes that though we might be capable of seeking to act co-operatively with aliens, they are unable or unwilling to do so with us

 But I lose the will to argue this point, because your view is an interpretive one, in so far as you interpret all human actions as either self-motivated or secretely self motivated. Its an unfalsifiable claim and so nothing can be done with it either way. You will say that to disagree with your unfalsifiable claims is naive, throw in some disparaging remarks about how the species dies in me and we all realise that debating on here has once again become pointless

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 20 août 2011 - 02:12 .

[Someone With Mass]

hhh89 wrote...

We don't know if the evacuation of Palaven is measure of precaution or if it's because the Reapers are heavily attacking the Turians. We knew that every species are being attacked, we don't know in which measure.

They were forced to retreat to a nearby moon base because the Reapers completely destroyed their military stronghold on Pavalen.