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[Dave of Canada]

Though back about how the God Child "isn't important" and will be reduced to nothing but a codex.

You've got this:

"One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

Considering we've heard that all elves used to be mages, how mages are growing in higher frequency and how the Nexus Golem says:

"We were once more than we are."

I assume it means the God Child will turn everybody on Thedas into mages, I doubt that's something small that can be ignored.

Hell, I doubt it's related but another Nexus Golem quote:

"The Gauntlet is passed. Only a Shaperate can bring the light. Conversion begins..."

I'd like for the protagonist where these supposed events are happening to possibly try to stop it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 août 2011 - 11:19 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

That is assuming that "he" is indeed referring to the Old God. If so, he ill have to be canonized.

And I certainly hope for the option to side with him and not try to stop him.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 août 2011 - 11:22 .

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That is assuming that "he" is indeed referring to the Old God. If so, he ill have to be canonized.

I don't think it's mentioned at all if you haven't done the Ritual, I've talked with Sandal for hours with my friend beside me doing the same. It just doesn't happen. 

And I certainly hope for the option to side with him and not try to stop him. 

Me too, though I hope this isn't a thing that's forced on us. Where it happens regardless of what you've done because of your choice in Origins.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 août 2011 - 11:23 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That is assuming that "he" is indeed referring to the Old God. If so, he ill have to be canonized.

I don't think it's mentioned at all if you haven't done the Ritual, I've talked with Sandal for hours with my friend beside me doing the same. It just doesn't happen.

Really?
How are they going to deal with such a significant difference? They can barely handle small choices, let alone something of this magnititude.

Me too, though I hope this isn't a thing that's forced on us. Where it happens regardless of what you've done because of your choice in Origins.

Agreed.

[naledgeborn]

Yep it's a DR only easter egg I'm lead to believe. I've had an easier time of getting that quote from Sandal than a lot of people on here. 2/3 of my DA:O saves were Dark Ritual endings. The only one where I didn't do it I never got the prophecy.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 20 août 2011 - 11:27 .

[ipgd]

There just isn't a way they can handle it without pissing somebody off. They can't really do anything substantial with it unless they canonize it -- and if they canonize it, US players will poop themselves. If they ignore it or give the OGB and Morrigan a tiny inconsequential cameo, DR players will be unsatisfied. They sort of wrote themselves into a corner; the DR really should have been one of those pesky railroaded choices if they were going to include it at all.

The DR may not be the only way Urthemiel could get out onto Thedas, so they could technically make it happen without screwing with the DR itself, but that would still be a bit cheap.

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Really?
How are they going to deal with such a significant difference? They can barely handle small choices, let alone something of this magnititude.

I doubt they'd abolish the class system, so I doubt everybody would turn into mages. What they could do and keep it still impactful, have it so that all future children will be mages. You'd have the huge choice aspect of it, you'd keep the warrior / rogue classes as they are and all it takes is some mentions here or there about how the world is screwed or whatever.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...

There just isn't a way they can handle it without pissing somebody off. They can't really do anything substantial with it unless they canonize it -- and if they canonize it, US players will poop themselves. If they ignore it or give the OGB and Morrigan a tiny inconsequential cameo, DR players will be unsatisfied. They sort of wrote themselves into a corner; the DR really should have been one of those pesky railroaded choices if they were going to include it at all.

The DR has more story potential than US. Which is why canonizing the DR is something I would support, but see as unlikely.

@ Dave
I was more talking about the difference between OGB and no OGB. I highly doubt that importing a non-OGB save is going to not be about magic returning to the world, while importing the OGB will be about that.

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I was more talking about the difference between OGB and no OGB. I highly doubt that importing a non-OGB save is going to not be about magic returning to the world, while importing the OGB will be about that.

Ah, then I wouldn't really know. There's some hints of magic returning, considering there's still everything about the mages growing rapidly in number and such, though I wouldn't know how they'd handle it without a god child.

[TEWR]

ipgd wrote...


The DR may not be the only way Urthemiel could get out onto Thedas, so they could technically make it happen without screwing with the DR itself.

That's what I've been saying too, and the only problem is that Morrigan didn't imply she knew other methods. If she had, then there wouldn't be this issue.

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The DR has more story potential than US. Which is why canonizing the DR is something I would support, but see as unlikely.

Yeah. I think they should have forced it, left the window open for Riordan to make the babbies with Morrigan or whatever, but now that it's done I think it's more likely that they're just going to ignore it entirely. Enough people threw temper tantrums about Leliana coming back to life that they probably aren't even going to go anywhere near screwing with something as big as the US. They'll be on eggshells post-DA2 as is.

Modifié par ipgd, 20 août 2011 - 11:43 .

[Psychopathic Pug]

 No matter what they do, someone is going to complain lol

[RagingCyclone]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ipgd wrote...


The DR may not be the only way Urthemiel could get out onto Thedas, so they could technically make it happen without screwing with the DR itself.

That's what I've been saying too, and the only problem is that Morrigan didn't imply she knew other methods. If she had, then there wouldn't be this issue.

I am inclined the only way he could is through Morrigan's ritual, and I can only base this opinion on this:

[Dave of Canada]

One minor quibble about the Dark Ritual in Dragon Age 2, you've got the three preset histories available for the player: One where somebody survives without any sacrifice and puts his friend on the throne, one where the person sacrifices themselves and put her friend on the throne with a wife, one where the person sacrifices another person and puts somebody on the throne.

Knowing this, which one would the person who's never played the series would pick? I'd feel the one with the gigantic letters with (DEFAULT) written next to it, for multiple reasons. One little flaw with it, though.

They never explained exactly how the Warden survived, therefore people who've jumped into the game with DA2 and played with the Hero of Ferelden backstory don't know anything about the God Baby / Dark Ritual.

From what they'll see, the sacrifices from the other two endings were probably unnecessary. Throwing the God Baby plot on them will only confuse them more.

[Brockololly]

Filament wrote...
Aren't there laws in some countries against depicting violence against children in video games? He couldn't take part in battles... unless he transforms into a more suitable for punching form during combat.

I think thats right- I recall the devs saying something about that at some time or another. Considering his mother Morrigan is a shapeshifter though, thats a possibility. Or even like in Jade Empire with Wild Flower- didn't she turn into a demon or something in combat? (I barely remember JE).

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I still have no  clue though what was special about the DR. What exactly did the DR  entail beyond sex with a Warden? There wasn't any fancy mumbo jumbo, symbols scrawled all over the walls and floor, virgin sacrifices, etc. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png

There were supposed to be fancy runes and candles and ritual type stuff but they ran out of time/cinematic resources on the DR scene. I think Gaider or Chee posted that back after Origins came out.

Dave of Canada wrote...
I don't think it's mentioned at all if you haven't done the Ritual, I've  talked with Sandal for hours with my friend beside me doing the same. It just doesn't happen.

Really? I just know its rare enough to happen even if you have done the DR. Considering how mangled so many of the DR/Morrigan related flags are in the import from Origins to Awakening to WH to DA2, I'd be very surprised (but impressed) if that little line is actually tied to the DR.

Dave of Canada wrote...
I doubt they'd abolish the class system, so I doubt everybody would turn into mages. What they could do and keep it still impactful, have it so that all future children will be mages. You'd have the huge choice aspect of it, you'd keep the warrior / rogue classes as they are and all it takes is some mentions here or  there about how the world is screwed or whatever.

If the PC was the OGB, or even a companion I guess, they could have him be a true hybrid class that can use magic plus maybe warrior/rogue abilities. Maybe with an advantage towards whatever class the father was. That would be a nice way to bring back Arcane Warrior and/or Shapeshifter.

Modifié par Brockololly, 20 août 2011 - 11:51 .

[Xewaka]

Best solution for the OGB dilemma: Morrigan and child die during labour.

[Dave of Canada]

Brockololly wrote...

Really? I just know its rare enough to happen even if you have done the DR. Considering how mangled so many of the DR/Morrigan related flags are in the import from Origins to Awakening to WH to DA2, I'd be very surprised (but impressed) if that little line is actually tied to the DR.

Using the default presets, I've only gotten it when using the Hero of Ferelden default. No Compromise and The Martyr didn't get it.

[ipgd]

RagingCyclone wrote...

I am inclined the only way he could is through Morrigan's ritual, and I can only base this opinion on this:

It does seem unlikely that someone like Flemeth would trust completely in another person to get a job done -- I guess they could say she had some sort of contingency plan in place for Morrigan's failure or something. No matter what they do it'll be pretty cheap, but they'll find a way to do it if they decide they need to. Which I don't think they will at this point, but eh.

[ipgd]

Xewaka wrote...

Best solution for the OGB dilemma: Morrigan and child die during labour.

But Morrigan is already shown alive post-babby birth in Witch Hunt.

[Brockololly]

Xewaka wrote...

Best solution for the OGB dilemma: Morrigan and child die during labour.

And are then crushed by falling rocks.

[Brockololly]

Filament wrote...

I would think 'the magic' returning would be a more significant event than one of the former Old Gods returning. He wouldn't have to be integral to that plot per se. I think he could be relevant to it in different ways depending on whether he's an OGB or not and it could be perfectly doable.

Unless the OGB returning in human form is the herald of the magic returning to Thedas.

[Dave of Canada]

ipgd wrote...

But Morrigan is already shown alive post-babby birth in Witch Hunt.

The Warden had a mental breakdown after Awakening when he heard about Morrigan and the baby's death, he went looking for them in a fit of denial. He finally "found" her when he was really drunk one night, where he thought he was still the Warden-Commander.

Dog was actually Oghren, his good ol' drinking buddy. The mirror was the brothel and Morrigan was a raven haired hooker.

[ipgd]

Dave of Canada wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But Morrigan is already shown alive post-babby birth in Witch Hunt.

The Warden had a mental breakdown after Awakening when he heard about Morrigan and the baby's death, he went looking for them in a fit of denial. He finally "found" her when he was really drunk one night, where he thought he was still the Warden-Commander.

Dog was actually Oghren, his good ol' drinking buddy. The mirror was the brothel and Morrigan was a raven haired hooker.

I like the way you think.