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[Yrkoon]

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

http://dragonage.wik..._of_Information!

I am very worried

Don't Be.  There's nothing on that website.   Not even fan-speculation. LOL

Anyway, The Devs have repeatedly said that we'd see or hear of Morrigan again, so that's nothing new.  however, Didn't they also say that  the Dark Ritual isn't canon?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 août 2011 - 04:50 .

[TEWR]

Brockololly wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Even if I thought the DR was a idiot copout the second it was introduced.

Thats the problem with the DR as it exists in Origins- there is no reason within Origins not to do it. Sure for RP reasons you might turn it down, but the entire choice is in large part predicated on your PC's relationship and trust of Morrigan and that you would trust her with a possible OGB in the future.

Its not even so much a choice of living or dying as you can easily live without doing the DR if you want. As its presented in the game to the player, its a choice which is made out to be very important and a BIG choice with BIG consequences- that you're creating the OGB and you'd be the first Warden to be able to personally kill the AD without dying.

And yet, since it happens so close to the end, nothing ever comes of it. And since BioWare is insistent on never playing as the Warden again, the player will never be able to personally experienc any consequences of a DR Warden's actions, good or bad. At most you'll be on the outside looking in, giving BioWare an easy out for just tossing in a lame cameo or codex or line of dialogue while waving their hands and saying "Oooooooh! The OGB is a mystery now! Ooooooooh!"

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

[FJVP]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Even if I thought the DR was a idiot copout the second it was introduced.

Thats the problem with the DR as it exists in Origins- there is no reason within Origins not to do it. Sure for RP reasons you might turn it down, but the entire choice is in large part predicated on your PC's relationship and trust of Morrigan and that you would trust her with a possible OGB in the future.

Its not even so much a choice of living or dying as you can easily live without doing the DR if you want. As its presented in the game to the player, its a choice which is made out to be very important and a BIG choice with BIG consequences- that you're creating the OGB and you'd be the first Warden to be able to personally kill the AD without dying.

And yet, since it happens so close to the end, nothing ever comes of it. And since BioWare is insistent on never playing as the Warden again, the player will never be able to personally experienc any consequences of a DR Warden's actions, good or bad. At most you'll be on the outside looking in, giving BioWare an easy out for just tossing in a lame cameo or codex or line of dialogue while waving their hands and saying "Oooooooh! The OGB is a mystery now! Ooooooooh!"

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

Indeed, I doubt that they have even decided what Flemeth really is.

[phaonica]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

My canon Warden didn't agree to the Dark Ritual, but I have no problem with Bioware deciding to run with the OGB story. I'll just use one of my other Wardens for future games. Nothing to get hung up over.

Yes, we had a choice, and it was a pretty cool one, but I don't see why it's wrong for Bioware to decide on a continuality for a future game. Otherwise we'll be stuck forever with small choices that *can't* dramatically change the world to different effects, because apparently the devs have to be scared about players wanting it both ways and being prepared to get the torches and pitchforks if they don't.

If the OGB situation can give us a good game situation, then bloody well go for it.

I mostly agree, except that I don't think they should try to make an OGB resolution pertain to both DR and US games. Even if an OGB resolution story only applied to my DR Wardens, I would be okay with that. It would become a story that was canon for my DR wardens, but not for my US ones, and I'm okay with that.

[Yrkoon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

Yep.  That's been my feeling since Witch Hunt.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

I share the sentiment. Heck, I don't think they knew what DA2 should have been about, let alone the entire franchise.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 août 2011 - 04:53 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Tommy6860 wrote...

You'd have to remove a lot of content (current Bioware speak for AWESOMENESS) to allow for that canonization .

I don't think you would.

Hell, after Darkspawn Chronicles (an Alternate Universe DLC) Bioware doesn't even have to say it's canon. They could say an OGB game is a result of choosing the ritual path, which would be true.

[Brockololly]

phaonica wrote...
With this kind of reaction, is it really a wonder that they haven't tackled this problem yet?

I think the longer they go without addressing it the more likely it is that

• People who were once interested in it and would have tossed money at such a storyline, no longer give a rat's ass and have forgotten about it after DA2 left a bad taste in their mouths
• Some people might have wanted it resolved with the Warden as PC

The whole Morrigan/Warden/DR/OGB thing is something you constantly see come up when people would bring up a sequel to Origins or even at events like this Q&A at Gamescom. Its something that should have been dealt with in a more meaningful way in a Throne of Bhaal style expack to Origins to close off those loose ends like the OGB best dealt with by the Warden PC. And then you could give people a sense of closure with the Warden to move on to ther stuff.

Whatever. They only say they'll "try" to do anything with it. So a codex entry or buggy line of dialogue is about all I expect, sadly. But those expectations are probably just "misaligned."

Modifié par Brockololly, 20 août 2011 - 04:57 .

[Haradmir]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

I share the sentiment. Heck, I don't think they knew what DA2 should have been about, let alone the entire franchise.

Same.

They haven't even said in how many games they think they will resolve the story, which only strengthens my suspicions about this. *shrug*

[Dave of Canada]

I thought you'd be happy Brock, considering all the times you've posted about wanting Morrigan/OGB.

[Haradmir]

FJVP wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Even if I thought the DR was a idiot copout the second it was introduced.

Thats the problem with the DR as it exists in Origins- there is no reason within Origins not to do it. Sure for RP reasons you might turn it down, but the entire choice is in large part predicated on your PC's relationship and trust of Morrigan and that you would trust her with a possible OGB in the future.

Its not even so much a choice of living or dying as you can easily live without doing the DR if you want. As its presented in the game to the player, its a choice which is made out to be very important and a BIG choice with BIG consequences- that you're creating the OGB and you'd be the first Warden to be able to personally kill the AD without dying.

And yet, since it happens so close to the end, nothing ever comes of it. And since BioWare is insistent on never playing as the Warden again, the player will never be able to personally experienc any consequences of a DR Warden's actions, good or bad. At most you'll be on the outside looking in, giving BioWare an easy out for just tossing in a lame cameo or codex or line of dialogue while waving their hands and saying "Oooooooh! The OGB is a mystery now! Ooooooooh!"

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

Indeed, I doubt that they have even decided what Flemeth really is.

Honestly I think they just prowl the forums, getting ideas for how to resolve and explain things based on our speculations and discussions.

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

I share the sentiment. Heck, I don't think they knew what DA2 should have been about, let alone the entire franchise.

Given how DAII turned out, I agree that they just winged that as well.

Honestly I think they just prowl the forums, getting ideas for how to resolve and explain things based on our speculations and discussions.

That's what I think as well. I say we just stop the speculating and the arguing on issues and see what happens.


....okay, that wouldn't happen.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 août 2011 - 05:02 .

[Brockololly]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I thought you'd be happy Brock, considering all the times you've posted about wanting Morrigan/OGB.

I'd be happy if it was with Morrigan/OGB and the Warden as PC. Like a more fleshed out version of Witch Hunt or something Throne of Bhaal-esque. Obviously thats not happening.

If they're not going to do it right, don't do it at all and just leave it be. Witch Hunt was a decent ending for my Warden and I'd rather they not retroactively screw that up. And after DA2, I don't have much faith in BioWare to not do just that.

[csfteeeer]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

i have had that feeling since they announced DA2.

On topic, i have no clue of how they're going to resolve this, and more importantly, i don't know how they plan to resolve so many loose plots from Origins and 2, especially without recurring to Warden and Hawke, and rather just pull off a Deus Ex Machina for...... no reason.

[Cyne]

I'm excited about this! I really want a decent conclusion to that story arc. Would be awesome if OGB ends up as a villain or companion in DA3.

[Chromie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I've come to believe Bioware is just winging this entire series and barely has any idea what the series should actually be about.

I share the sentiment. Heck, I don't think they knew what DA2 should have been about, let alone the entire franchise.

I bet they drew straws on who would be head of the dev team.

[Cutlass Jack]

The Dark Ritual offended me as a writer and a player. "Only sex can save you!" Ugh. It was attaching a very poor RP reason to what I like to call the 'Obsidian ending.' That is a forced endgame sexual encounter with someone you probably weren't romancing. It wasn't helped by the fact I couldn't talk to my LI about it first.

Within the RP, it still was a terrible idea. It seemed pretty apparent to me that Flemeth was setting Morrigan up. If she really does need a new body, an Old God body would probably last alot longer than Morrigan's human one.

Anyway, theres enough reasons both in game and out why someone would avoid the ritual. Because there's at least two endings that don't involve doing it, that means they can't do anything that requires the OGB to exist. 

However they could do an event that changes based on if the OGB exists or not. For example, if the OGB was never born, Morrigan takes its place for whatever its intended purpose was and Bad Things happen as a result. 

But Its probably best to just think of the OGB as the Dragon Age version of the Rachni Queen, and limit your expectations.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 20 août 2011 - 05:13 .

[TEWR]

Had Bioware made Morrigan hint that she wouldn't give up on the OGB thing, we wouldn't be having this issue.

Then it's left up in the air whether the Warden died due to wartime injuries and the massive explosion that happened or sharing a spiritual apartment with an Old God.

Then Bioware could say it was the former, and no one would really be upset (might be some people, but not many I would think)

It's obviously an important part of the series (not the most important, but it is important), and unless Morrigan personally slew another Old God in the Deep Roads and took his soul into her unborn baby, Bioware's screwed.

[TEWR]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The Dark Ritual offended me as a writer and a player. "Only sex can save you!" .

That. Was. Awesome.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 août 2011 - 05:14 .

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
With a rushed DR and a bugged Witch hunt that offered little to no closure, is it really a wonder that we have reactions like this in the first place?

Brockololly wrote...
I think the longer they go without addressing it the more likely it is that

• People who were once interested in it and would have tossed money at such a storyline, no longer give a rat's ass and have forgotten about it after
• DA2 left a bad taste in their mouths Some people might have wanted it resolved with the Warden as PC

I understand the disappointment, and agree that various bugs didn't help, and that time has only allowed the wounds to fester, not heal. I'm sorry to hear that your reaction seems to be that Bioware shouldn't bother because its too late.

Modifié par phaonica, 20 août 2011 - 05:15 .

[Dave of Canada]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

It wasn't helped by the fact I couldn't talk to my LI about it first.

I know it doesn't really help, though I often talk with Loghain (maybe Alistair if I did a dead-Loghain playthrough) before I make the choice. It may not be LI material, though it's nice to discuss with somebody else about it if only to know their opinion. Rather than having you locked in a room making a choice with little hint of future consequence.

[phaonica]

For me, I wouldn't care if the OGB story was covered in an official (canon only to DR games) short story, or a comic, or some other medium that wasn't in-game. Certainly there are in-game ways that I would have preferred for the story to be presented, but that ship has sailed.

Modifié par phaonica, 20 août 2011 - 05:20 .

[FieryDove]

Brockololly wrote...

I'd be happy if it was with Morrigan/OGB and the Warden as PC. Like a more fleshed out version of Witch Hunt or something Throne of Bhaal-esque. Obviously thats not happening.

If they're not going to do it right, don't do it at all and just leave it be.

^This x 1000

[Browneye_Vamp84]

my human mage had a romance with her in Origins and i didn't do the DR and then in WH i went into the mirror with her ... but asked about 'my baby'? ... wonder how that will turn out XD