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[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

Aren't there laws in some countries against depicting violence against children in video games? He couldn't take part in battles... unless he transforms into a more suitable for punching form during combat.

for some reason that last sentence made me laugh. Just imagining him transform.

Perhaps he could transform into a golem, much like the Warden could in the Fade?

EDIT: but he wouldn't have to be a battle companion. Maybe something like Bodahn and Sandal?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 août 2011 - 10:41 .

[Jonathan Seagull]

Brockololly wrote...
My problem with that sort of thing is that even in Legacy a great deal of Warden Bethany/Carver's dialogue is entirely interchangeable. Same thing with how BioWare handled Ashley/Kaiden in ME2- they're simply different character models and voice actors saying the same thing.

I'd much rather BioWare try to do something a la The Witcher 2 where you don't simply see 2 characters like Ash/Kaiden stuck with the same dialogue but more like Roche/Iorveth where that choice leads to experiencing vastly different plotlines and different characters.

Oh, absolutely.  I think there's a fair bit of difference in personality and dialogues between Bethany and Carver, but their role in the story is largely the same.  I completely agree that Morrigan's son (I try not to say OGB, catchy as it is) should have more unique content.  When it comes down to it, Bethany and Carver are both "Hawke's sibling."  Morrigan's son/whoever else should be entirely different characters.  And there should be at least one major thing that you can only accomplish if he's your companion, just like there should be something entirely different that you can only do if you have the alternate companion.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Filament wrote...

Aren't there laws in some countries against depicting violence against children in video games? He couldn't take part in battles... unless he transforms into a more suitable for punching form during combat.

for some reason that made me laugh.

Perhaps he could transform into a golem, much like the Warden could in the Fade?

EDIT: but he wouldn't have to be a battle companion. May be something like Bodahn and Sandal?

If he is not in his late teens, I see no reason why he should be a companion.

So long as they don't make him an annoying brat (too harsh, he becomes an annoying brat later on) like Anakin in episode 1, who saves the day, it will be fine.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 août 2011 - 10:40 .

[phaonica]

I understand being attached to your Warden's son, and wanting to raise him *just so* and having control over his personality and actions, and not to see him doing things that you wouldn't have raised him to do.

It sounds to me like you don't want Bioware to raise your kid for you.

It's a stance I can understand, however I also would understand if Bioware wouldn't go this direction because it would be quite a lot of resources used to customize a character that they don't intend to be a PC and whom they can't use to make a canon contribution to the world's story.

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...

I understand being attached to your Warden's son, and wanting to raise him *just so* and having control over his personality and actions, and not to see him doing things that you wouldn't have raised him to do.

It sounds to me like you don't want Bioware to raise your kid for you.

It's a stance I can understand, however I also would understand if Bioware wouldn't go this direction because it would be quite a lot of resources used to customize a character that they don't intend to be a PC and whom they can't use to make a canon contribution to the world's story.

Ideally, yes the Warden should have been able to raise him. But I know that's unlikey to happen.

What I am asking personally now, is that they don't turn him into a moronic weakling. Or a "lolz evil". Which I don't think is that much to ask.

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Or a "lolz evil". Which I don't think is that much to ask.

Considering Witch Hunt dialogue and what we've heard from Sandal's prophecy, I don't think he'll be evil. His intentions / destiny might be considered evil by some, however.

Edit: Hell, I think he'll be like Mordred from the Merlin television series.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 août 2011 - 10:48 .

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Filament wrote...

Aren't there laws in some countries against depicting violence against children in video games? He couldn't take part in battles... unless he transforms into a more suitable for punching form during combat.

for some reason that made me laugh.

Perhaps he could transform into a golem, much like the Warden could in the Fade?

EDIT: but he wouldn't have to be a battle companion. May be something like Bodahn and Sandal?

If he is not in his late teens, I see no reason why he should be a companion.

So long as they don't make him an annoying brat (too harsh, he becomes an annoying brat later on) like Anakin in episode 1, who saves the day, it will be fine.

I could get behind him being a travel companion and not an actual companion, but you'd still be required to talk to him and influence him in some way.

Perhaps if Morrigan did the DR with the Warden (or Alistair/Loghain), friendship encourages him to embrace his old god self and rivalry makes him want to just be normal.

And if you didn't do the DR, friendship makes him embrace his mage self, and rivalry just pushes him towards wanting to be a normal. I think there were epilogues saying Morrigan was pregnant even if you didn't do the DR, and if not Bioware could easily do that since there's a 2.5 year gap between Origins' ending and WH's beginning.

[Dave of Canada]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think there were epilogues saying Morrigan was pregnant even if you didn't do the DR

Sleep with Morrigan, don't do the ritual. She'll be pregnant with a normal child and she'll mention in Witch Hunt that it's yours and that not all children are born of magic/rituals.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ideally, yes the Warden should have been able to raise him. But I know that's unlikey to happen.

What I am asking personally now, is that they don't turn him into a moronic weakling. Or a "lolz evil". Which I don't think is that much to ask.

Ok well that does sound like a more constructive line of discussion, to me, then. Because it sounded to me like you were saying that if they weren't going to write him to be or do something epic, then they're further wasting their time.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Perhaps if Morrigan did the DR with the Warden (or Alistair/Loghain), friendship encourages him to embrace his old god self and rivalry makes him want to just be normal.

Just rename it to something other than friendship / rivalry. And have more than two options.

I am currently being inspired by Geral and Alvin. When Alvin asked a question, Geralt had 3 options to choose from.
IIRC, when Alvin was asking about his powers, Geralt can tell him that he should strive to be normal because being different like he is is asking for persecution, or tell him that his powers are a gift that he shoudl embrace with prudence, or that he should embrace his powers to do good.

So something like that, I really do not need a meter to make me realize what I am saying.

Naturally, I'd tell the OGB to embrace the fact that he is an Old God and that he is destined for nothing less than greatness and great responsability, and that he should accept nothing less, if I have the option. He is the reason his father went to Mirrorland afterall.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 août 2011 - 10:57 .

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think there were epilogues saying Morrigan was pregnant even if you didn't do the DR

Sleep with Morrigan, don't do the ritual. She'll be pregnant with a normal child and she'll mention in Witch Hunt that it's yours and that not all children are born of magic/rituals.

Yup I thought so. could easily be a mage, and a powerful one taught by Morrigan, who was taught by Flemeth. Just not an Old God mage.

I still have no clue though what was special about the DR. What exactly did the DR entail beyond sex with a Warden? There wasn't any fancy mumbo jumbo, symbols scrawled all over the walls and floor, virgin sacrifices, etc.

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ideally, yes the Warden should have been able to raise him. But I know that's unlikey to happen.

What I am asking personally now, is that they don't turn him into a moronic weakling. Or a "lolz evil". Which I don't think is that much to ask.

Ok well that does sound like a more constructive line of discussion, to me, then. Because it sounded to me like you were saying that if they weren't going to write him to be or do something epic, then they're further wasting their time.

No, I meant if they make him an irrelevent character who is easily overshadowed by the PC, then yea I think they would be wasting their time and not taking advantage of his nature. So long as he is a strong, reasonable character who has some consequence and actually does something (unlike you know who), I will be fine. If he turns out to be like you know who, I will naturally be very pissed off.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 août 2011 - 10:58 .

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Perhaps if Morrigan did the DR with the Warden (or Alistair/Loghain), friendship encourages him to embrace his old god self and rivalry makes him want to just be normal.

Just rename it to something other than friendship / rivalry. And have more than two options.

I am currently being inspired by Geral and Alvin. When Alvin asked a question,. Geralt had 3 options to choose from.
IIRC, when Alvin was asking about his powers, Geralt can tell him that he should strive to be normal because being different like he is is asking for persecution, or tell him that his powers are a gift that he shoudl embrace with prudence, or that he should embrace his powers to do good.

So something like that, I really do not need a meter to make me realize what I am saying.

Naturally, I'd tell the OGB to embrace the fact that he is an Old God and that he is destined for nothing less than greatness and great responsability, and that he should accept nothing less. He is the reason his father went to Mirrorland afterall.

How about this: No God! vs. Old God!


I don't know it could be something like Life vs. Destiny, where life is the Old God wanting to live his life his way, and Destiny is obviously him embracing his destiny.

Also, what is his name going to be? My Warden wouldn't dare name him Urthemiel. He'd want to name him something else. Maybe Xanthos Aeducan shall name him Xanthos.

[Dave of Canada]

My Warden gave him a pet dragon statue and said "Hey look, kid! It's you! Isn't that adorable? I call him Urthy!".

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Also, what is his name going to be? My Warden wouldn't dare name him Urthemiel. He'd want to name him something else. Maybe Xanthos Aeducan shall name him Xanthos.

If it were up to me, I would not tell him he is Urthemiel until he is old enough to realize what that means. I would certainly not want him to be raised as a spoiled brat. Old God or no, if he makes a mistake he would be punished.

So another name is necessary. And I am not sure what Arcturus would name him.

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So another name is necessary. And I am not sure what Arcturus would name him.

I asssume Morrigan already gave him a name, though.

[ipgd]

My warden would name him Sally so he could start learning about the hardships of life early on. Morrigan would surely not object to this reasoning.

Modifié par ipgd, 20 août 2011 - 11:05 .

[naledgeborn]

Funny thing is that Morrigan's natural child as opposed to Old God Baby has a 50/50 chance of not being a mage. I'm sure that would either ****** a lot of people off or Bio Ware will default Morrigan's son into a mage regardless of DR/US/WC. The latter seems likely from a development standpoint. Hopefully "Arcane Warrior" makes a comeback. The perfect spec for Morrigan's kid if the warden is a warrior. Now I'm rambling. Damn you Bio Ware.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So another name is necessary. And I am not sure what Arcturus would name him.

I asssume Morrigan already gave him a name, though.

He's the father, he decides!

Yea it's true, he probably already has a name. I hope it's not Urthemiel.

[ipgd]

Filament wrote...

Dwayne

****, that's way worse than Sally. Good idea.

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

My Warden gave him a pet dragon statue and said "Hey look, kid! It's you! Isn't that adorable? I call him Urthy!".

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If it were up to me, I would not tell him he is Urthemiel until he is old enough to realize what that means. I would certainly not want him to be raised as a spoiled brat. Old God or no, if he makes a mistake he would be punished.

So another name is necessary. And I am not sure what Arcturus would name him.

I say we call him Johnathan von Fancyhair Shinypants Eldergarrant III, Esquire.

Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 août 2011 - 11:11 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Urthemiel is a Semitic sounding name, so I'd have to find some epic Semitic name.

Like...Falafel.

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Urthemiel is a Semitic sounding name, so I'd have to find some epic Semitic name.

Like...Falafel.

He'd end up getting eaten by a bear with a name like that.