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[beyondconfused]

I came across a computer near the beginining of the game and it mentioned that in order to hack, I had to match the symbols on the screen. It had all these pop up instructions, then while waiting and waiting and waiting for more pop ups to show up on the screen that actually contained the instructions on how to get the symbols to show up on the screen so that way there, I actually could match them, I was instead met with a dead end, and no pop ups that contained those instructions like they were supposed to.

So I gave up and moved on. I then came across all the onscreen pop-ups about picking up the grenade launcher, pressing left shift and all that jazz. After holding left shift like it says so on the onscreen pop up, I see yet another pop up mentioning to move my mouse over the weapon bar.....Well upon waiting, and waiting, and waiting for another pop up explaining WTF the weapon bar was, how to access it, how to get it to even show up on the screen like there is supposed to, I was again met with a dead end, no nothing, no further pop ups like you're being led on with then left out to dry. I mean seriously if there are already that many pop-ups on the screen explaining specific things, then finish the explanation with the rest of the pop ups..Dont' give half the information and then not give the rest...Seriously a player is led into a false sense of instruction by having pop-up after pop-up of whatever, then all of a sudden being shut out from the final pieces of crucial need to know information.

Anyway while explaining the situation to a friend about how bad this game was I pretty much had to have him explain how to actually equip the grenade launcher (And this was after even he had to look it up because he didn't have anything to work off either) Took him over 1/2 hour to find the answer on Google....This was all because the game didn't bother including the final pieces of instruction that already had the first 3 parts given. Anyway after that I ran into the same exact problem with the abilties.

Once again the player is led into a false layout of instructions that only give the player partial instructions, it doesn't even remotely begin to explain the full how to do it procedure

After that I basically gave up, I am not going to sit and run into problem after problem after problem after problem to this extent, especially during a tutorial which is supposed to be explaining with every small little detail of instruction.

And to those of you reading this No I had ab****ely no clue at all about what had to be done on any of those screens. The game did not finish giving all the pop ups that were supposed to be included in the tutorial.

There is no point in saying to a player here hack this by matching the symbols...then not having further pop-ups containing instructions that actually explain how to actually get the symbols to show up on the screen.

There is no point in having a pop up of Press space to pick up the grenade launcher, then after yo do have another pop up that says hold left shift (then after that having yet another pop up of move your mouse over the weapon bar...Then not having any pop ups beyond that.

Sorry but you do not tell a player to move the mouse over the weapon bar and have that many pop ups that lead up to that point and then not put additional pop ups that explain everything about the weapon bar...

You do not tell a player with pop ups to use a the pull ability, then not have any pop ups whatsoever that actually go about explaining the entire procedure step by step for doing that...

Again i had absolutely no clue on what the hell the game was talking about because there was nothing at all that pointined out what anything was or anything else like that...

I actually couldn't play the game at all due to not getting the rest of the instructions that were supposed to be given to me.

Sorry but If I am going to be told I have to match symbols to hack, and the game can provie some pop ups, then the game can certinaly sure as hell provide the rest of the pop ups on how to get the symbols to show up on the screen.

I still to this day have no idea how to hack because the game has not expained in any pop up how in ther world you are supposed to get the symbols themseves to show up on the screen so that they can be matched.

Same goes for usinga bilities, it somehow magically expected me to know what it was asking without any form of explanation as to what the hell I was looking at...Sorry it should be pointing things out for basic game play instructions and yes those instructions are supposed to be there for tutorial purposes. If players want to disagree oh well, you dont' need instructions good for you...skip them...however that doesn't mean leave out the instructions altogether so players like myself cannot play this game.

The total lack of instructions has stripped any and all fun out of thsi game and I have absolutely zero desire to play this even if I was explained how...The game shouldn't have been released without a full blaown explicitly detailed hand held spoon fed tutorial like it's supposed to have...

I want a refund for all the aggrivation and grief I have been put through with this poor excuse for a tutorial.

Then I come to find out after all that, the thing that frosted my ass the most is that the instructions I am asking for, and needed to know in order to play, are on a computer only accessable once you have already gotten onto the ship and doing everything I just mentioned above. this just drove me even further away from a desire to play.

Umm WTF is wrong with you Bioware, You DO NOT put a tutorial on how to do things that a player absolutely has to know in order to play, in a place that cannot be accessed until after you do all the things that aren't being explained!

I need the tutorial and the answers BEFORE THAT POINT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET UP TO THAT POINT.
What purpose does it serve to give the instructions after you already did everything where they do you no good. This should be somethinga ccessable from the main menu of the game after installing it.

Really!....Really!

Modifié par beyondconfused, 20 août 2011 - 04:44 .

[mcsupersport]

?? Are you young, or just never had to use your brain any?? The pop-ups are hints, you still have to think some read the instructions(either hardcopy or pdf) and explore. This isn't a game that is going to lead you by the nose around the areas to every little thing, it almost does this, but you still have to PLAY the game. I would say if you are serious that you really need to learn to think a bit more and not expect everything to be given to you in life.

[beyondconfused]

?? Are you young, or just never had to use your brain any?? The pop-ups are hints, you still have to think some read the instructions(either hardcopy or pdf) and explore. This isn't a game that is going to lead you by the nose around the areas to every little thing, it almost does this, but you still have to PLAY the game. I would say if you are serious that you really need to learn to think a bit more and not expect everything to be given to you in life.

If that's what you seriously want to say then, you're saying there shouldn't be any pop-ups in the game at all because they aren't needed because players are supposed to do everything and figure every single thing out for themselves.

That total lack of incoplete information in teh pop ups has totally rpevented me from playing the game. I kept waiting and waiting for the devs to explain to me how to play which is exactly what they are supposed to do. Since no information was given the game is unplayable. I am not going to look up what teh devs need to explain.

You also have part of your reply all backwards, The makers of the game are supposed to be teaching ME how to pay, not me doing their job for them. I am not going to look up something as iditoic as how to get the symbols to show up on the screen when hacking, because the devs didn't include that when they should have and are supposed to.

You're apparently one of those people I'm talking about who think it's the players responsiblity to finish the devs job that were too lazy to complete.

Again if you cannot grasp the simple fact that you do not tell a player to match symbols, then not understand that the information on how to get the symbols to show up doesn't need to be included then you're an idiot.

Don't bother trying to teach anyone anything or try to do math because your concepts are beyond irrational.

Modifié par beyondconfused, 20 août 2011 - 04:20 .

[mcsupersport]

1) Devs offer a manual for you to read.
2) They offer HINTS in game to point you in the right direction.
3) They don't play the game or expect you to be a robot only following EXACT directions, you are to try things out, it is an rpg and has puzzles and things off the beaten path.
4) Are you so lazy, boring and unimaginative that you are at least a bit curious to TRY something out and see if something works??

I have no desire to have a game hold my hand throughout any portion of it leading me like a parent does a child. They gave you instructions and hints to guide you in the exploration of the game, not a hand to hold.

Heck if you are having issues, click youtube and search ME2 for PLENTY of gameplay videos if you are so restricted in your mental capacity to figure out games. I might suggest you limit yourself to less demanding games such as mariocart or Call of Duty in the future.

[beyondconfused]

1) Devs offer a manual for you to read.
2) They offer HINTS in game to point you in the right direction.
3) They don't play the game or expect you to be a robot only following EXACT directions, you are to try things out, it is an rpg and has puzzles and things off the beaten path.
4) Are you so lazy, boring and unimaginative that you are at least a bit curious to TRY something out and see if something works??

1. Manuals are not for having to read game play basics.
2. Telling a player what needs to be done that is not a hint.
3. Nothing here you said is relevant, because you like many people are trying to apply the entire game to to what I said instead of understanding how a tutorial is and is supposed to be. Smarten up will you a tutorial is for exactly what i said it is for teaching a player with hand held spoon fed information that if a player doesn't need then skip it. But don't go trying to tell another player what they do and do not need for information on how to play.
4. I'm lazy because I refuse to do any legwork in a game play basic that the devs are supposed to be explaining. You got that wrong, the devs are lazy because they make a game and never explain how to use any of the games basics mechanics Which BTW is what you partially pay for the game with. The game play basics are being used throught the entire rest of the game, one fully detailed example of how to do them is required. Beyond that yes that would be lazy, but not during a game play basics when you're fist going through the first action of it's type.

I have no desire to have a game hold my hand throughout any portion of it leading me like a parent does a child. They gave you instructions and hints to guide you in the exploration of the game, not a hand to hold.

Good for you that you don't want/need that information..So Skip it. what does that have to do with the devs being lazy and not placing the instructions that are crucial need to know game play basics in the game tutorial itself? For you (or anyone for that matter) to tell a player such as myself, that just because you don't need the instructions, then I don't either, is way beyond out of line. Who are you to tell me what I need for instructions.

There is a major difference between having to press a button (that takes all of 1 second to skip) and not having the instructions at all. You skipping them doesn't actually affect you being able to play. However not having the instructions at all, actually prevents some people from playing the game. So again just because the majority of people don't need instructions, doesn't mean anything and DOES NOT give the excuse to not include them at all. What people don't need, skip and the devs need to place the option to skip them there as well.

Heck if you are having issues, click youtube and search ME2 for PLENTY of gameplay videos if you are so restricted in your mental capacity to figure out games. I might suggest you limit yourself to less demanding games such as mariocart or Call of Duty in the future.

You blame me and call me names instead of actually looking at the real problem which is the devs incompitence of not including how to do any of it's game play basics, which are going to be used throughout the remainder of the game, which have not even been given at all and they are supposed to be in one fully detailed example. And that I have to deal with a completely inadequate game play basic tutorial rather than look at the devs incompitence.
I am not going to look up how to switch weapons because I'm not supposed to have to look something like that up. What part of that do people not understand and have such a major problem understanding. I find it completely ludicrous how Instead of looking at the issue, you just say and use the statement of "THE MANUAL" as a crutch, just like everyone else does.

When I pay for a game, then I expect the devs to do their job. I better be getting taught every small little detail on how to do it's game play basics. It is not my responsibility to have to be looking up, or do any type of thinking whatsoever, during a games tutorial and i won't do it either.. PERIOD.

Since the devs want to go out of their way to say match the symbols, then guess what, the devs can go out of their way to provide addional pop ups on how exactly one is supposed to do that. Since it does not explain how to get teh symbols to show up on the screen even though it says to do it, then hacking tutorial is not complete and thefore is not possible to do with just the information given, and anyone that thinks that is fully explained needs to be shot.

I am not going to look up how to do that because how to get teh symbols to show up on the screen is supposed to be being explained..Again if the dves can say match the symbols, then the devs are responsible for explaining how to get the symbols to show up on the screen so that way they can be matched.

I wasted almost 2 min on this screen waiting for the explanation on where the symbols were and how to get them to show up, before giving up on waiting. Why did I wait for the instructions ebcause up until that point every other piece of information was given, so that tells me as a player you're going to be given the rest of the information. Because that's exactly how teh gaem dipicts itself. And if i'm not told how to at least do teh ery first action of it's type in great detail after beiing led to believe the game was going to do that, then it fails and I move on.

in closing i am going to say this:
If you have to look up how to do a game play basic move such as switching weapons because the devs cannot explain how to do that type of game play basic, and you have to continually look up how to play during a tutorial, then the game is crap. No game does that EVER.

And BTW telling a player to move their mouse over the weapon bar without any form of previous mention or any type of further explaination and or information about the weapon bar, then how is one supposed to even know what that even is. There are absolutely no bars at all anywhere on the screen at teh time you get that piece of useless information. Sorry but the devs should have explains what exactly the weapon bar is, where it's located, what it looks like, and how to actually get it top show up on the screen, THEN TELL SOMEONE TO MOVE THEIR MOUSE OVER IT.

At that point you as aplayer are being told to move you're mouse over something that simply does not exist and there is absolutely no way to know what teh hell they are even talking about because there is no information at all or anything about it explained or mentioned anywhere.

I was stuck on this screen for 45 min trying to figure out what teh hell the weapon bar even was and no it's not obvious. Again there is no bar anywhere on the screen so don't bother trying to tell me it's obvious.
I will also not look up how to do this because this is something you will pretty much be using for the rest of the game so they are supposed to be explaining everything about it at this one time.

Apparently I found ut that th tutorial that contains everything i'm bringing up is accessable only after you get to teh computer.. What kind of crap is that.

That tutorial is something that should have been accessable from the games menu right at the start upon installation, not after the fact where it's useless. There is no point in even adding that to the game when you cannot even access it to help you know how to play until after you already know how to play.

Don't even bother trying to say there is any excuse for that crap.

If that tutorial was put where it was supposed to be, this topic never would have been created.

The bottom line is the devs total and utter lack of instruction has prevented me from playing a game I paid for and making me waste my money.

Modifié par beyondconfused, 20 août 2011 - 05:47 .

[mcsupersport]

1) Manual IS for gameplay basics, that is what a manual does, show what and where things are.
2) This isn't a tech issue, so take it to the gameplay forums.
3) Your total lack of willingness to read the info given and to try basic things is what prevented your play of the game.
4) Stop blaming someone else for your issues.
5) Are you really serious or are you just trolling?

[beyondconfused]

1) Manual IS for gameplay basics, that is what a manual does, show what and where things are.
2) This isn't a tech issue, so take it to the gameplay forums.
3) Your total lack of willingness to read the info given and to try basic things is what prevented your play of the game.
4) Stop blaming someone else for your issues.
5) Are you really serious or are you just trolling?

Focusing on number 4 of what you said is where you're an idiot. You need to learn that when a company (In this case Bioware) provides a consumer (That is me) with one of their products, they (Which is Bioware) are required by law to make absolutely sure that the consume (That is me) knows how and can use thier product with no legwork AT ALL on the consumers part. Since I cannot play this game due to the company not explaining to me how to use thier product makes what you said completely irrelevant, because this comes down to products being sold to comsumers by companies are making absolutely sure they explain how to use it. This includes every small little detail you and everyone else seems to deem not important and want to blame me for not knowing. The fact of the matter is that I would know it had the devs completed the instructions in the game like they were supposed to. or at least put the tutorial they rendered useless at the very beginning of the game from the main menu after installation.

I still to this day, do not know how to hack, or use abilities. I can't hack because there has yet to be an explanation on how to get the symbols to show up on the screen, and I cannot use abilities becuase it doesn't explain HOW in the game to actually use them. I am not going to look up how to do either one of those because that is a tutorial, and a tutorial requires no thinking or anything on the players part. The devs are supposed to hand you everythiing that you need to know and has to be done. I'm not supposed to have to look something like that up.

Both of those aspects are game play basics, which are used through the entire rest of the game. Therefore the devs absolutely should have been explained how to do both of those aspects in the game, once flat out at the beginning, so a player knows exactly what has to be done in order to do them..Simple as that.

You don't tell players partial information, then use the crutch of the player needs to figure out the rest for themselves. Sorry it doesn't work like that. They either include all the information, or none at all. But either way I cannot hack, or use abilities because that information is not in the game where it's supposed to be.

Why do you insist on seriously saying that the game only becomes playable if you do the devs leg work for them. Are you kidding me?
Your logic is fails and it's completely moronic to say that a player needs to do the devs job for them. I will not do any type of thinking and or leg work whatsoever when it comes to instuction in a game for a game play basic that the devs are 100% responsible for explaining to me how to do in the game, especially at that point with on screen pop ups like they made for everything else.

In closing, the devs made pop ups for every non-important piece of information, but yet they couldn't make pop ups for the crucial need to know how to do it's game play basics. Huge Dev fail and anyone who thinks this is perfectly fine has no comprehension on what exactly instructions are as well as what exactly a maker of a product is supposed to be informing the consumer.

How can anyone serious,ly say that this game is so good when you as a player is forced to either do all the devs legwork for them, or simply don't play.

The devs are at fault for me not being able to play this game. It's their game, I paid for it, they need to provide instructions not have me go looking for them. it's that simple.

Modifié par beyondconfused, 20 août 2011 - 07:55 .

[Baramon]

beyondconfused wrote...

I still to this day, do not know how to hack, or use abilities. I can't hack because there has yet to be an explanation on how to get the symbols to show up on the screen, and I cannot use abilities becuase it doesn't explain HOW in the game to actually use them. I am not going to look up how to do either one of those because that is a tutorial, and a tutorial requires no thinking or anything on the players part. The devs are supposed to hand you everythiing that you need to know and has to be done. I'm not supposed to have to look something like that up.

Wow. (There is actually so much Wow in this entire thread, but...I'm just amazed.)

You seem really upset by all this, but I have to think at this point that you don't really want to play this game. Or you're just looking for attention. The game can get a little hard at some points, but ME2 pretty much incorporates the gameplay mechanics of a couple of hundred games out there already, so I find it hard to believe that you've not played a similar game at some point in your life.

So, if you're really serious about playing this most awesome-est of games, then it will require a little effort on your part. I can't see you spending all this time whining and complaining about a game not leading you around by the nose and holding your hand the entire way, to just be trolling, so guess what:  you're going to have to spend a little of that reserve of energy you've got and re-channel it into getting ME2 to work in some semblance of enjoyability for you. I hate to break it to you; but ME2 isn't going to play itself for you.

In about five minutes (about 30 minutes shorter than it took you to write all this complaining) you should have been able to click around on the screen enough to figure out 98% of what the game requires from you as input. Then, except for a few minor issues here and there, you should be able to get immersed in one of the greatest games ever created in our time.

Move your mouse cursor over those pins, and symbols show up that are of four or five basic types. Don't click anything until you get an idea of where two matching symbols are, then click first one and then the second one, as quickly as you can, because there is a time limit before the pins' status will reset.

We can work on the other hacking minigame once you've shown that you can master this first (easiest) mechanic. And show us that you're actually willing to listen, instead of complaining, and more instructions will be forthcoming. You're really missing out by taking such a helpless tack on this, so get a quad and start playing!!!

[Yabberkanaw]

@beyondconfused
The other people who answered this topic are right. If you're too lazy to play a videogame, at least don't complain about it. I finished ME2 (and all its DLC's) without ever reading the manual. Once you've done the tutorial section (the prologue) you MUST have learned all you need to go on.
(Or you're just trolling, and I'm feeding a troll. Well, if this is the case, I was asking for it!)