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[Satyricon331]

I for one would forgive even worse graphics if they'd just improve the art style, contrary to that horror-spell of a news item.

[Maria13]

Thanks OP, any news of Alistair?

Though I guess if Morrie and the GWs are still in play a GW king has to be...

[Dave of Canada]

xkg wrote...

I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

[xkg]

Dave of Canada wrote...

xkg wrote...

I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

Nah I don't think Origins on its release date was outdated all that much. But in 2 years DA2's graphics is going to be literally ancient. So keeping it is not the best idea.

[Xewaka]

Dave of Canada wrote...

xkg wrote...
I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

I'd rather they spent the time it took to revamp origins graphics to the DA 2 look in developing the actual game. This obsession with graphics above all else is ruining... well, everything else.
But that might just be because all my favourite games have less than stellar graphics for their time, but have excellent, robust game mechanics, and an extensive gameplay time.

[Anarya]

Xewaka wrote...

Anarya wrote...
I'm concerned about the lack of graphical improvement in DA3 because even though I think 2 looked pretty nice on PC on high settings, I think by the time 3 gets released, that same standard will look very dated and behind the curve.

I'd rather they kept the graphics as is. Not because the graphical/art style is good (I thought the art overhaul was unnecessary and for the worse), but time spent fixing the graphics and engine is time not spent developing content. We already saw how the engine/art overhaul ate up into DA 2 developing time, lending us an alpha build as the final product. I'd rather play a game that spent its time in proper content build and polish.

I don't think that's quite a fair assumption given that we really have no idea how time and resources were allocated for DA2. I don't think the people who would be working on art and graphics would be the same ones developing "content" in the sense that you mean, anyway. DA2's dev cycle was just too short, period, but I don't think taking away from aesthetics would necessarily have meant a corresponding jump in "content". I certainly did not see any evidence that the engine's graphical tweaks and the art overhaul were the reason for DA2's problems and I'm curious as to why you pick that as the scapegoat.

[Xewaka]

Anarya wrote...
I don't think that's quite a fair assumption given that we really have no idea how time and resources were allocated for DA2. I don't think the people who would be working on art and graphics would be the same ones developing "content" in the sense that you mean, anyway. DA2's dev cycle was just too short, period, but I don't think taking away from aesthetics would necessarily have meant a corresponding jump in "content". I certainly did not see any evidence that the engine's graphical tweaks and the art overhaul were the reason for DA2's problems and I'm curious as to why you pick that as the scapegoat.

They might not be the same teams, yet despite the overlap within different departments, certain teams must end their work for other teams to start theirs.

[Dormiglione]

@JimmyTheProtean
Thank you for gathering all infos and compile them in one post. Great work.

[yaw]

The decision of whether to have a set character in the style of DAII, or multiple origins a la Dragon Age: Origins will be based on fan feedback. 

TO ARMS

[csfteeeer]

xkg wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

xkg wrote...

I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

Nah I don't think Origins on its release date was outdated all that much. But in 2 years DA2's graphics is going to be literally ancient. So keeping it is not the best idea.

Ancient???

Dragon Age 2 Has Placed itself among the best looking games of this generation!

- Greg Tito, The Escapist.

[Gunderic]

csfteeeer wrote...

xkg wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

xkg wrote...

I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

Nah I don't think Origins on its release date was outdated all that much. But in 2 years DA2's graphics is going to be literally ancient. So keeping it is not the best idea.

Ancient???

Dragon Age 2 Has Placed itself among the best looking games of this generation!

- Greg Tito, The Escapist.

Greg Tito has placed himself among the most well-bribed journalists of this generation.

[xkg]

csfteeeer wrote...

xkg wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

xkg wrote...

I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

Nah I don't think Origins on its release date was outdated all that much. But in 2 years DA2's graphics is going to be literally ancient. So keeping it is not the best idea.

Ancient???

Dragon Age 2 Has Placed itself among the best looking games of this generation!

- Greg Tito, The Escapist.

hahahaha - same way as his 100/100 review placed itself among the best reviews of all the times
Especialy his bottom line comment :
" A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be."   LMAO

Anyway for those of you interested here is the transcript from this Q&A session:
http://biowarefans.c...a-presentation/

[Persephone]

I liked the art style all in all, esp. the cinematics and, yes, a huge chunk of the level design. (Water, sky etc. My favorite places being The Wounded Coast & Sundermount. I thought more attention was put into that than most of the city, except the Gallows & Chantry) I'd like to see it improved however, taking a few clues from Origins and TW2, esp. when it comes to the design of codices, letters...that's the UI, right? When Hawke gets letters, they look like emails, to mention one example. As for level design, I'd like to see more unique places (Not even referring to area re-use), meaning: colors, vegetation, animals, weather, clutter, area specific monsters (Heck, Might and Magic VI managed that 13 years ago!).... I.E. Returning to snowy Ostagar gave the area I knew so well an entirely different atmosphere.

Just my 2 cents on that.

Other than that, I am very pleased with pretty much all of it, except that never playing as the Warden & my Lady Hawke makes me sad.

[Persephone]

Gunderic wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

xkg wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

xkg wrote...

I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

Nah I don't think Origins on its release date was outdated all that much. But in 2 years DA2's graphics is going to be literally ancient. So keeping it is not the best idea.

Ancient???

Dragon Age 2 Has Placed itself among the best looking games of this generation!

- Greg Tito, The Escapist.

Greg Tito has placed himself among the most well-bribed journalists of this generation.

Yes, how DARE he have a different opinion!!! Bring out the tar and feathers!

[Persephone]

simfamSP wrote...

**** graphics, look at all the nice stuff they are saying. If Bioware lives up to this... then... then... brb going to cry of happiness.

And this. Graphics were never Bioware's strongest suit (DAO .... much as I love it but meh!) anyway.

[Anarya]

Xewaka wrote...

Anarya wrote...
I don't think that's quite a fair assumption given that we really have no idea how time and resources were allocated for DA2. I don't think the people who would be working on art and graphics would be the same ones developing "content" in the sense that you mean, anyway. DA2's dev cycle was just too short, period, but I don't think taking away from aesthetics would necessarily have meant a corresponding jump in "content". I certainly did not see any evidence that the engine's graphical tweaks and the art overhaul were the reason for DA2's problems and I'm curious as to why you pick that as the scapegoat.

They might not be the same teams, yet despite the overlap within different departments, certain teams must end their work for other teams to start theirs.

While that's true in general I still think you're assuming a lot in this case that we as outsiders just don't know about the way the teams operate together. Until a dev comes out and says "we sacrificed content for graphical upgrades" you can't really make that claim with anything to back it up.

[xkg]

Persephone wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
Greg Tito has placed himself among the most well-bribed journalists of this generation.

Yes, how DARE he have a different opinion!!! Bring out the tar and feathers!

You are kdding aren't you ? He is supposed to be professional reviewer - so his review should have been more you know ... objective. 100/100 for a game like DA2 with all its flaws ?

I love DAO but i would never give it 100/100 - 90/100 is right spot on for DAO.

Having different opinion is one thing. Writing something like that and publishing it as an official game review is ... ehh nvm.

[Persephone]

xkg wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
Greg Tito has placed himself among the most well-bribed journalists of this generation.

Yes, how DARE he have a different opinion!!! Bring out the tar and feathers!

You are kdding aren't you ? He is supposed to be professional reviewer - so his review should have been more you know ... objective. 100/100 for a game like DA2 with all its flaws ?

I love DAO but i would never give it 100/100 - 90/100 is right spot on for DAO.

Having different opinion is one thing. Writing something like that and publishing it as an official game review is ... ehh nvm.

I've seen reviews like that for DAO. Reviewers are people at the end of the day. And it's strange....often flawed beauty is remembered more than technical perfection. That is why Maria Callas rings a bell even with those who know nothing of opera and Renata Tebaldi, her great rival with a 10 times more beautiful timbre does not.

[Warheadz]

I really dunno. Reading this info was like going to a dentist which may be really good, or just a trainee. All you can do is sit there, wait for it to start and then take it for better or worse.

I am scared xD

[csfteeeer]

Persephone wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

xkg wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

xkg wrote...

I don't know how this is possible.
In 2-3 years - if they do nothing - even indie games are going to have better graphics.
Just my thought.

So... pretty much like Origins.

Nah I don't think Origins on its release date was outdated all that much. But in 2 years DA2's graphics is going to be literally ancient. So keeping it is not the best idea.

Ancient???

Dragon Age 2 Has Placed itself among the best looking games of this generation!

- Greg Tito, The Escapist.

Greg Tito has placed himself among the most well-bribed journalists of this generation.

Yes, how DARE he have a different opinion!!! Bring out the tar and feathers!

Oh Come on!!

Do YOU honestly see DA2 as one of the best looking games of this Generation?
i mean i know that everybody has an opinion and all, but i honestly don't see how This or This, can be placed along side This, or This or This, or Hell even This.

I Mean, yeah, i'm well aware that people is entitled to opinions, but subjectivity has a limit, or at least, i think it should.

Origins was not the best looking game ever, i would never say that, or even among the best, but DA2 is not among them either.

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[Morroian]

Xewaka wrote...

Anarya wrote...
I'm concerned about the lack of graphical improvement in DA3 because even though I think 2 looked pretty nice on PC on high settings, I think by the time 3 gets released, that same standard will look very dated and behind the curve.

I'd rather they kept the graphics as is. Not because the graphical/art style is good (I thought the art overhaul was unnecessary and for the worse), but time spent fixing the graphics and engine is time not spent developing content. We already saw how the engine/art overhaul ate up into DA 2 developing time, lending us an alpha build as the final product. I'd rather play a game that spent its time in proper content build and polish.

This, a thousand times this.

[Theagg]

On the graphics. Well, assuming DA3 goes for a proper development schedule, rather than the rushed one that resulted in many of the issues people had problems with, then 2 years down the line from now, the graphics will certainly look out of date.

But, graphics are not everything. Yes, for example, Witcher 2's graphics were superior in several ways. But they were let down by the weird 'depth of field' and lens artifacts things going on in nearly every scene, giving the impression you were playing the game from the perspective of a camera, rather than a human eye. (and some specifically 'camera' moments ..blood spatter on the lens for example....blew the realism, for the short time I played the game)

So if DA2 is much improved in all problematic areas by the time it comes out, I won't be that bothered if the graphics are not greatly different from how they are now. Besides I do quite like the style.

On mention of the Warden reappearing. Well, I certainly don't want that happening unless its me playing the Warden. Hearing of the Warden again is one thing, seeing them in any role that isn't me controlling that role would be laughable for me.

Otherwise, an interesting read.