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[Xilizhra]

What a very perverse and unexpected misunderstanding. No, I don't want to 'puzzle out' what my character says. I want to have the ability to articulate more discernibly than NICE/FUNNY/DICK. In real life there are complex questions and equally complex answers. Very few things boil down to "Should I make a joke or tell them to **** off?" And how in the hell did you get that I wanted to choose what my character says but not know what it is myself? My god.. this is starting to get on my nerves.. do people even read anymore?

Your initial assessment was incorrect as it was. It's not always just nice/funny/dick; at least, the last one is often not the case. The red answer is, plenty of times, just short and to the point, and sometimes actually feels like the nicer option (a few times with Anders and once with Orsino).

[IanPolaris]

Persephone wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

- I don't care if there are gay/lesbian options. In fact, I encourage them. I think freedom of choice is a great thing. There is nothing that says what I choose has to be what someone else chooses and that is always good. But my god, why can't I tell Anders I'm not interested without him getting all pissy?

Sorry if I focus on this, but this is where I disagree with you the most. If someone I have feelings for shoots me down, I'll be very upset too. Given Anders' obsessive nature, it's perfectly within his character to be deeply hurt. Rejection ain't fun, esp. if you are in love with the guy/gal shooting you down.

Actually I get where he's coming from, but in fairness I had the same issue with Leianna in DAO (the infamous "stealth" romance bug).  It's one thing to turn someone down because you don't like them.  It should be another (especially if we assume...reasonably I think...that homosexuality will be a minority choice) if that person simply doesn't swing that way.  The Anders I remember in DAA would have sighed, shrugged, and moved on. IMHO.

-Polaris

[Persephone]

Pwnsaur wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
So you'd prefer to have to puzzle out what your character means to say, in such a way that while your character knows it, you don't? That can lead to some major hassles.

What a very perverse and unexpected misunderstanding. No, I don't want to 'puzzle out' what my character says. I want to have the ability to articulate more discernibly than NICE/FUNNY/DICK. In real life there are complex questions and equally complex answers. Very few things boil down to "Should I make a joke or tell them to **** off?" And how in the hell did you get that I wanted to choose what my character says but not know what it is myself? My god.. this is starting to get on my nerves.. do people even read anymore?

Well, to be truthful, the options are not quite that simplistic. You have two icons for every color (Or is it three), unlocking several answers depending on the attitude you favor. Granted, I do not want to be limited to archetypes either. But I am quite fond of the idea of building a personality as time progresses. And people reacting to me behaving out of character.

[Xilizhra]

Actually I get where he's coming from, but in fairness I had the same issue with Leianna in DAO (the infamous "stealth" romance bug). It's one thing to turn someone down because you don't like them. It should be another (especially if we assume...reasonably I think...that homosexuality will be a minority choice) if that person simply doesn't swing that way. The Anders I remember in DAA would have sighed, shrugged, and moved on. IMHO.

The only problem is that Hawke's rejection line is really nasty.

[Pwnsaur]

KingDan97 wrote...

Wow... That "review" was utter garbage. Whatever you think of Dragon Age 2, this was a pissy little kid who begged his parents to take him to Hot Topic after learning that Yahtzee got tons of views, made loads of cash and got all the ladies because he critically reviews video games. He clearly thought that more curses makes everything better and that a metal soundtrack will compliment everything.

Even the points I agreed on I had to disagree with because of the downright moronic method he used to present it. He was mad, he probably still is mad and it sinks a hell of a lot deeper than just Dragon Age 2.

A review should first and foremost be about THE GAME you are reviewing. He spent half that video drivelling on about how other reviewers were being paid to do what they do and how Mike Laidlaw was promoting a game before launch as opposed to tearing it a new one. He noted a minimap as a problem because one bad game had it. He used hyperbole out the goddamn ying yang and he felt the need to throw an F bomb in every few words.

You must not be too familiar with the prospect of entertainment, eh? No one wants to watch a drab video of someone carefully crafting inoffensive, humorless pro's and con's to a game with classical music in the background. People want to watch funny, loud, opinionated individuals who will either ****** them off or make them cheer. It's entertainment bro, get used to it.

[Persephone]

IanPolaris wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

- I don't care if there are gay/lesbian options. In fact, I encourage them. I think freedom of choice is a great thing. There is nothing that says what I choose has to be what someone else chooses and that is always good. But my god, why can't I tell Anders I'm not interested without him getting all pissy?

Sorry if I focus on this, but this is where I disagree with you the most. If someone I have feelings for shoots me down, I'll be very upset too. Given Anders' obsessive nature, it's perfectly within his character to be deeply hurt. Rejection ain't fun, esp. if you are in love with the guy/gal shooting you down.

Actually I get where he's coming from, but in fairness I had the same issue with Leianna in DAO (the infamous "stealth" romance bug).  It's one thing to turn someone down because you don't like them.  It should be another (especially if we assume...reasonably I think...that homosexuality will be a minority choice) if that person simply doesn't swing that way.  The Anders I remember in DAA would have sighed, shrugged, and moved on. IMHO.

-Polaris

I get where you are coming from. Only this is Anders warped by Justice. He initially tries to turn you away if you flirt with him, even saying "A year ago, we could have had something......." and later "Justic does not approve of my obsession with you...."

[Xilizhra]

You must not be too familiar with the prospect of entertainment, eh? No one wants to watch a drab video of someone carefully crafting inoffensive, humorless pro's and con's to a game with classical music in the background. People want to watch funny, loud, opinionated individuals who will either ****** them off or make them cheer. It's entertainment bro, get used to it.

And 'tis in the nature of entertainment to receive criticisms like this too. I'm surprised you're not used to that.

[IanPolaris]

KingDan97 wrote...
A review should first and foremost be about THE GAME you are reviewing. He spent half that video drivelling on about how other reviewers were being paid to do what they do and how Mike Laidlaw was promoting a game before launch as opposed to tearing it a new one. He noted a minimap as a problem because one bad game had it. He used hyperbole out the goddamn ying yang and he felt the need to throw an F bomb in every few words.

Actually I thought (minus the bile and hyperbole) that his point about the "Mainstream" reviews was a very valid one.  DA2 does NOT deserve to be rated above an eight (or even a seven IMHO) let alone a nine but that's what many of the initial reviews were doing even when their own user review scores (as the video actually showed) were much, much lower.  When I see such a big disparity between the 'official' review and the user reviews, big red flags start popping up, especially if the site is openly hawking the same game they are reviewing.

Indepedant and unbiased reviews?  My magic eight-ball says......probably not.  [And this applies to pretty much every major gaming release.....don't trust the initial reviews.  Chances are they are bought and paid for.]

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually I get where he's coming from, but in fairness I had the same issue with Leianna in DAO (the infamous "stealth" romance bug). It's one thing to turn someone down because you don't like them. It should be another (especially if we assume...reasonably I think...that homosexuality will be a minority choice) if that person simply doesn't swing that way. The Anders I remember in DAA would have sighed, shrugged, and moved on. IMHO.

The only problem is that Hawke's rejection line is really nasty.

True, but I don't have a *choice* as a player to let him down gently (and I should).

-Polaris

[Pwnsaur]

Persephone wrote...
Well, to be truthful, the options are not quite that simplistic. You have two icons for every color (Or is it three), unlocking several answers depending on the attitude you favor. Granted, I do not want to be limited to archetypes either. But I am quite fond of the idea of building a personality as time progresses. And people reacting to me behaving out of character.

I like building personality as I go along as well, in fact I am one of the few who like the dreaded 'Morality meters.' I do not, however, like it when my choices are marked with colors and icons because the game assumes I'm a moron who can't read nuance or sub-text. I want an adult game for adults, without all the hand-holding baby-sitting mechanics. I can decide what I want to say without a 'Halo' next to the words.. I mean really... What is this? Pre-school?

[Pwnsaur]

And 'tis in the nature of entertainment to receive criticisms like this too. I'm surprised you're not used to that.

I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say here. But if you could kindly stop seeking out every post I make and replying with some snide remark I would greatly appreciate it.

Modifié par Pwnsaur, 20 août 2011 - 08:56 .

[IanPolaris]

Pwnsaur wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Well, to be truthful, the options are not quite that simplistic. You have two icons for every color (Or is it three), unlocking several answers depending on the attitude you favor. Granted, I do not want to be limited to archetypes either. But I am quite fond of the idea of building a personality as time progresses. And people reacting to me behaving out of character.

I like building personality as I go along as well, in fact I am one of the few who like the dreaded 'Morality meters.' I do not, however, like it when my choices are marked with colors and icons because the game assumes I'm a moron who can't read nuance or sub-text. I want an adult game for adults, without all the hand-holding baby-sitting mechanics. I can decide what I want to say without a 'Halo' next to the words.. I mean really... What is this? Pre-school?

I agree as well.  The old Arcanum game did this better.  You'd select your dialog and then you'd be told (by a gauge) what your 'morality' index was.  Crude but it did permit the building of personality.  Given the advancement of games since, I am sure it could be done even better now.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

Pwnsaur wrote...

And 'tis in the nature of entertainment to receive criticisms like this too. I'm surprised you're not used to that.

I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say here. But if you could kindly stop seeking out every post I make and replying with some snide remark I would greatly appreciate it.

The less condescending you are, the less snide I'm likely to be.

[KingDan97]

Pwnsaur wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Wow... That "review" was utter garbage. Whatever you think of Dragon Age 2, this was a pissy little kid who begged his parents to take him to Hot Topic after learning that Yahtzee got tons of views, made loads of cash and got all the ladies because he critically reviews video games. He clearly thought that more curses makes everything better and that a metal soundtrack will compliment everything.

Even the points I agreed on I had to disagree with because of the downright moronic method he used to present it. He was mad, he probably still is mad and it sinks a hell of a lot deeper than just Dragon Age 2.

A review should first and foremost be about THE GAME you are reviewing. He spent half that video drivelling on about how other reviewers were being paid to do what they do and how Mike Laidlaw was promoting a game before launch as opposed to tearing it a new one. He noted a minimap as a problem because one bad game had it. He used hyperbole out the goddamn ying yang and he felt the need to throw an F bomb in every few words.

You must not be too familiar with the prospect of entertainment, eh? No one wants to watch a drab video of someone carefully crafting inoffensive, humorless pro's and con's to a game with classical music in the background. People want to watch funny, loud, opinionated individuals who will either ****** them off or make them cheer. It's entertainment bro, get used to it.

Yahtzee at Zero Punctuation sells his reviews in a entertaining manner without being a whining child about it. There's a way to witfully disect a point, that was not it. It's the difference between flambeing a fine meal and covering someone's food in motor oil and lighting it on fire. A brute force approach to comedy is not funny, it's trying to hard.

[Pwnsaur]

Xilizhra wrote...

Pwnsaur wrote...

And 'tis in the nature of entertainment to receive criticisms like this too. I'm surprised you're not used to that.

I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say here. But if you could kindly stop seeking out every post I make and replying with some snide remark I would greatly appreciate it.

The less condescending you are, the less snide I'm likely to be.

It's hard not to be condescending towards people who seem to purposefully misunderstand simple concepts to manufacture an argument. But, it's just as easy to click 'ignore' on your profile and not have to read your trivial minutia.

[Pwnsaur]

KingDan97 wrote...
Yahtzee at Zero Punctuation sells his reviews in a entertaining manner without being a whining child about it. There's a way to witfully disect a point, that was not it. It's the difference between flambeing a fine meal and covering someone's food in motor oil and lighting it on fire. A brute force approach to comedy is not funny, it's trying to hard.

To each their own. I thought he was funny, and if you're a fan of Dennis Miller at all you will see his inspiration.

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[Sinaxi]

Pwnsaur wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Pwnsaur wrote...

And 'tis in the nature of entertainment to receive criticisms like this too. I'm surprised you're not used to that.

I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say here. But if you could kindly stop seeking out every post I make and replying with some snide remark I would greatly appreciate it.

The less condescending you are, the less snide I'm likely to be.

It's hard not to be condescending towards people who seem to purposefully misunderstand simple concepts to manufacture an argument. But, it's just as easy to click 'ignore' on your profile and not have to read your trivial minutia.

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 21 août 2011 - 11:34 .

[Pwnsaur]

Tidra wrote...

Pwnsaur wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Pwnsaur wrote...

And 'tis in the nature of entertainment to receive criticisms like this too. I'm surprised you're not used to that.

I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say here. But if you could kindly stop seeking out every post I make and replying with some snide remark I would greatly appreciate it.

The less condescending you are, the less snide I'm likely to be.

It's hard not to be condescending towards people who seem to purposefully misunderstand simple concepts to manufacture an argument. But, it's just as easy to click 'ignore' on your profile and not have to read your trivial minutia.

[smilie]http://i54.tinypic.com/adcjo3.jpg[/smilie]

No, I'm typing. And not only that, I was RESPONDING. So you can pose the same moronic non-statement to the person who quoted me. Also, you can die in a fire.

[KingDan97]

IanPolaris wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
A review should first and foremost be about THE GAME you are reviewing. He spent half that video drivelling on about how other reviewers were being paid to do what they do and how Mike Laidlaw was promoting a game before launch as opposed to tearing it a new one. He noted a minimap as a problem because one bad game had it. He used hyperbole out the goddamn ying yang and he felt the need to throw an F bomb in every few words.

Actually I thought (minus the bile and hyperbole) that his point about the "Mainstream" reviews was a very valid one.  DA2 does NOT deserve to be rated above an eight (or even a seven IMHO) let alone a nine but that's what many of the initial reviews were doing even when their own user review scores (as the video actually showed) were much, much lower.  When I see such a big disparity between the 'official' review and the user reviews, big red flags start popping up, especially if the site is openly hawking the same game they are reviewing.

Indepedant and unbiased reviews?  My magic eight-ball says......probably not.  [And this applies to pretty much every major gaming release.....don't trust the initial reviews.  Chances are they are bought and paid for.]

-Polaris

The issue lies within the industry sure, but it's not as widespread as some people claim. If you jsut go to metacritic, and you just read that 3 sentence summary they've got then yes, it's going to come off that every 8 game is likely to be severly lacking because the way the game's industry works if you don't have a review done near launch then it won't get as many hits. That requires that on some levels they play the games of publishers. They're not paid for good reviews, they use the top half of the scale because if they force down a metacritic score with their review then they won't get any more advance copies.

Consider it being bribed if you want but more often than not the actual content of a review contains the truth. Personally I have a shortlist of 3 reviewers that I generally find I agree with and if 2 of them give a particular tone in a game that prerelease I'm on the fence about then I go with the concensus. Publishers only actually care about Metacritic, they will never even read your review if they can justify it as a "fair" score.

In addition, the public scores of Dragon Age 2 were packed with 0's before the game launched and full of people claiming they were boycotting it. Hardly a fair system.

[jmadsen]

if i could live on hate, then after watching this i would live forever.

[alex90c]

Not again...

[IanPolaris]

KingDan,

Do you honestly believe that DA2 deserves even an 8.0 on a fair scale let alone a 9?

I don't think so, but that's what we saw. As for metacritic, there were also a slew of 10s as well shich cancelled out the zeros. The user score is about where I'd put DA2 as a game (I'd rate it no better than 6...and that's when I'm in a good mood).

-Polaris

Edit:  If the reviewers are afraid that a poor review means they won't get corporate access (including copies of games early enough to meaningfully review), then they ARE being paid (bribed if you prefer) to give a higher score than the game deserves.  It was especially blatent with DA2 but I see it as an industrywide problem.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 20 août 2011 - 09:25 .

[FieryDove]

Persephone wrote...

I get where you are coming from. Only this is Anders warped by Justice. He initially tries to turn you away if you flirt with him, even saying "A year ago, we could have had something......." 

Only with LadyHawke's does he do the "I'll hurt you/break heart" x a billion. He was written as very gun shy with females, but not with males. Even if it was not on purpose that is how it comes across.

Also I always kinda thought by the way he decribed it was he warped Justice.

Poor Justice, poor Anders. Sigh

[naledgeborn]

So someone is promoting their own review of DA2 (which was released 6 months ago) to increase traffic on their channel? SMH, sad.

[Sinaxi]

Aeowyn wrote...

Pwnsaur wrote...

Whatever, it's funny and I feel it's pretty damn accurate. I kind of hate everyone who still defends this game. It's because of you that we're going to continue to get a game market saturated with streamlined, slimmed/watered/dumbed down cash grabs. DA 2 is a symptom of the disease of stupidity sweeping game development. It was bound to happen, of course. What with the average IQ being 100 and video games becoming a mainstream revenue machine.

We will continue to see games being diluted to the point of being universally appealing until no true genres exist. Every game will be an amalgam of perfunctory banality with infinite cross-over appeal and no identity. Music, movies and now games. All perverted by the lure of money from the mouth-breathers who mocked the industry for the last 20 years as being for 'nerds.' Now you perpetuate the accommodation of these same people into our midst by praising the moronification of the last bastion of intellectualism in gaming; The RPG. I hate the stupid, as they outnumber me and control the world.

Burn in hell, all of you.

Fill this please. < lol butthurt

Hey, did you have your thesarus open while you were typing that up? I applaud you for going to those lengths to prove your intelligence against people on forums. Seriously. I applaud you.

No, I'm typing. And not only that, I was RESPONDING. So you can pose the same moronic non-statement to the person who quoted me. Also, you can die in a fire.

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 21 août 2011 - 11:38 .