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[SkittlesKat96]

Well I wouldn't say female Turians were guaranteed but I suppose they are expected since we've known for awhile now that we were going to get to go to Palaven (or Palaven's moon? not sure if we'll get to go to both or just one or what.)

I can't really think of any explanations for why we wouldn't see any female Turians when we go there. I mean they could just barely get away with not having them in places like the Citadel but its kind of silly

[CroGamer002]

leonia42 wrote...

You mean turian rebels that wouldn't be on Palaven? Every turian that is a citizen of the Hierarchy serves 15 years in the military and even many of those outside of turian space still served their time.

What makes you think there aren't Turians who aren't in military?


Also, wouldn't economy crumble if everyone is in the military?

[Nashiktal]

littlezack wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

You're assuming the place will be intact when we get there.

No.

I expect military personal guarding civilians and do other military stuff after Reapers hit Palaven.

We know Turians will take large role in ME3, but not to see at least female Turian soldier and/or civilian as NPC would be stupid.

That kind of all depends on the state of Palaven at the time, doesn't it?

Either way it doesnt matter. We are going to a large concentration of a turian population, whether its military or not, females are common enough (and equally represented) in society that not seeing any females in such a place is mind boggling.

Not seeing any female Turians on the citadel, or omega was hard enough to believe... The frakking moon of palaven where the refugees and military are gathering? That would just shatter my immersion.

[Nashiktal]

Mesina2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You mean turian rebels that wouldn't be on Palaven? Every turian that is a citizen of the Hierarchy serves 15 years in the military and even many of those outside of turian space still served their time.

What makes you think there aren't Turians who aren't in military?


Also, wouldn't economy crumble if everyone is in the military?

I think what he is trying to say, is that every Turian has military training. All turians of a certain age go to boot camp and serve for a few years. Afterwards they can either make it a career, or go home and become a citizen. (or do whatever they want.)

Im sure there are colonies somewhere that don't force military trainng, but on palaven its a certainty.

[CroGamer002]

Chewin3 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
That's pretty bad analogy.

Since, you know, Turian females are equal among males and this is population of people, not animals we're talking.

I mean, did you ever get to some city and never seen some woman?

It doesn't change the fact that Madagascar is populated by over 100+ different monkey families-- and in terms of the countries ecology and the land's long isolation from neighboring continents -- the chances of seeing a monkey rather than a human would be much more higher there.

I dunno?
Monkeys were shy then?


Still, Turian females should be seen every day when there's big Turian population on some planet.
And going to Palaven and/or Palaven's moon and not see Turian female would be stupid.

I mean, it would be like going to Earth or some human colony and we only see male humans.

[fenix8081]

Who's to say we haven't. They have no breasts, as someone pointed out, so maybe those turians that never talk are. I'm thinking the ones with the head covers (maybe like the hijab). Never know. Maybe we've even talked to one and Shepard's ignorant enough to not know the difference.

You humans are all racist!

[Leonia]

Mesina2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You mean turian rebels that wouldn't be on Palaven? Every turian that is a citizen of the Hierarchy serves 15 years in the military and even many of those outside of turian space still served their time.

What makes you think there aren't Turians who aren't in military?


Also, wouldn't economy crumble if everyone is in the military?

Because it's required by Hierarchy Law. Turians without military training are like.. asari without biotics. It just doesn't happen. Unless a turian failed to complete their training, went rogue, and joined up with the Blue Suns or something but every turian age 16+ goes into the military so aside from children, you'd expect them all to know how to handle themselves in a fight (and I expect even the children know a thing or two from their parents).

The volus species handles the economy, they are honourary citizens. Read the codex entry I linked to

Modifié par leonia42, 21 août 2011 - 06:59 .

[didymos1120]

fenix8081 wrote...

Who's to say we haven't.

The devs....who've repeatedly confirmed we haven't.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

leonia42 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You mean turian rebels that wouldn't be on Palaven? Every turian that is a citizen of the Hierarchy serves 15 years in the military and even many of those outside of turian space still served their time.

What makes you think there aren't Turians who aren't in military?


Also, wouldn't economy crumble if everyone is in the military?

Because it's required by Hierarchy Law. Turians without military training is like.. asari without biotics. It just doesn't happen. Unless a turian failed to complete their training, went rogue, and joine dup with the Blue Suns or something but every turian age 16+ goes into the military so aside from children, you'd expect them all to know how to handle themselves in a fight.

The volus species handles the economy, they are honourary citizens. Read the codex entry I linked to

They don't have to serve their whole lives dude,there are civilian turians. Mesina didn't say there were turians who didn't ever serve,he said there are some that aren't in the military anymore.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 21 août 2011 - 07:01 .

[Nashiktal]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

You mean turian rebels that wouldn't be on Palaven? Every turian that is a citizen of the Hierarchy serves 15 years in the military and even many of those outside of turian space still served their time.

What makes you think there aren't Turians who aren't in military?


Also, wouldn't economy crumble if everyone is in the military?

Because it's required by Hierarchy Law. Turians without military training is like.. asari without biotics. It just doesn't happen. Unless a turian failed to complete their training, went rogue, and joine dup with the Blue Suns or something but every turian age 16+ goes into the military so aside from children, you'd expect them all to know how to handle themselves in a fight.

The volus species handles the economy, they are honourary citizens. Read the codex entry I linked to

They don't have to serve their whole lives dude,there are civilian turians.

No but they do serve, for a few years at that. 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Nashiktal wrote...

No but they do serve, for a few years at that. 

Ugh read my revised post,I don't think you are understanding what is being said to you.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 21 août 2011 - 07:02 .

[Nashiktal]

"Turians are noted for their strong sense of public service. It is rare to find one who puts his needs ahead of the group. Every citizen from age 15 to 30 serves the state in some capacity, as anything from a soldier to an administrator, from a construction engineer to a sanitation worker. Turians have a strong inclination toward public service and self-sacrifice, so they tend to be poor entrepreneurs. To compensate, they accepted the mercantile volus as a client race, offering protection in exchange for their fiscal expertise."

"Turians have 27 citizenship tiers, beginning with civilians (client races and children). The initial period of military service is the second tier. Formal citizenship is conferred at the third tier, after boot camp. For client races, citizenship is granted after the individual musters out. Higher-ranked citizens are expected to lead and protect subordinates. Lower-ranking citizens are expected to obey and support superiors. Promotion to another tier of citizenship is based on the personal assessment of one's superiors and co-rankers. At the top are the Primarchs, who each rule a colonization cluster. The Primarchs vote on matters of national import. They otherwise maintain a "hands-off" policy, trusting the citizens on each level below them to do their jobs competently.

Throughout their lives, turians ascend to the higher tiers and are occasionally "demoted" to lower ones. The stigma associated with demotion lies not on the individual, but on those who promoted him when he wasn't ready for additional responsibility. This curbs the tendency to promote individuals into positions beyond their capabilities. Settling into a role and rank is not considered stagnation. Turians value knowing one's own limitations more than being ambitious."

[CroGamer002]

leonia42 wrote...

Because it's required by Hierarchy Law. Turians without military training are like.. asari without biotics. It just doesn't happen. Unless a turian failed to complete their training, went rogue, and joined up with the Blue Suns or something but every turian age 16+ goes into the military so aside from children, you'd expect them all to know how to handle themselves in a fight (and I expect even the children know a thing or two from their parents).

The volus species handles the economy, they are honourary citizens. Read the codex entry I linked to

And are they in military forever?

Cause some countries today have that exact same law and you can leave it after few years of service.
Also in most of those countries you can avoid it if you are able to go to college.

Not sure is that possible with Turians Hierarchy, but still.


As for economy and Volus? They didn't had Volus before they discovered Citadel.
Turians had to do their economy by themselves.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yeah you're definitely not getting it.

no...one..said...they...never...served..we..said..there..are..turians..who..have..already...served...their...term..and..are..now..civilians.

[Nashiktal]

Ah almost forgot the biggest one.

"Boot camp begins on the 15th birthday. Soldiers receive a year of training before being assigned to a field unit; officers train for even longer. Most serve until the age of 30, at which they become part of the Reserves. Even if they suffer injuries preventing front-line service, most do support work behind the lines.

Most turian families are said to keep small arms in their homes and basic training includes instruction on how to create simple firebombs that can be surprisingly effective against armoured vehicles."

Modifié par Nashiktal, 21 août 2011 - 07:05 .

[Nashiktal]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

No but they do serve, for a few years at that. 

Ugh read my revised post,I don't think you are understanding what is being said to you.

Now read my post. Most Turians keep firearms, are trained by the military, and know how to make bombs. 

Turians are a military race. Its what they are, its in their culture. 

[Leonia]

You can see more evidence of the part Nashiktal just bolded by reading the Taetrus-related CDN entries on the Wiki, good reading material for any turian fan!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yeah,we get it,you can copy pasta.


I'm begining to think this is hopeless Mesina

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 21 août 2011 - 07:08 .

[Leonia]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yeah you're definitely not getting it.

no...one..said...they...never...served..we..said..there..are..turians..who..have..already...served...their...term..and..are..now..civilians.

Actually nobody said that, we wouldn't be having this conversation if someone had actually done so.

Palaven is the capital of turian society, it's where the Hierarchy rules from. You wouldn't find turian rebels there or on its moon. The same applies to ALL turian colonies.

Read the Taetrus stuff, they were the ONE colony that tried to rebel against the Hierarchy and were stopped by the incredibly badass General Partinax.

You would ONLY find turian rebels on Omega or outside turian space, maybe there would be some on the Citadel but most likely not since they have chosen a lifestyle away from the rest of their society.

Modifié par leonia42, 21 août 2011 - 07:11 .

[Nashiktal]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yeah,we get it,you can copy pasta.

Yup, copy pasta the codex. The bible of the ME universe.

All turians have to be in the military to even become a citizen, most turians have firearms in their home, and all homes are provided with supplementary material that tells them how to make bombs. BOMBS.

What did we get in america? A pamphlet on how to hide froms nukes, under our desks. Turians? HOW TO MAKE BOMBS. Its crazy mate.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

leonia42 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yeah you're definitely not getting it.

no...one..said...they...never...served..we..said..there..are..turians..who..have..already...served...their...term..and..are..now..civilians.

Actually nobody said that, we wouldn't be having this conversation if someone had actually done so.

Palaven is the capital of turian society, it's where the Hierarchy rules from. You wouldn't find turian rebels there or on its moon.

What are you talking about?

[Nashiktal]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yeah you're definitely not getting it.

no...one..said...they...never...served..we..said..there..are..turians..who..have..already...served...their...term..and..are..now..civilians.

Actually nobody said that, we wouldn't be having this conversation if someone had actually done so.

Palaven is the capital of turian society, it's where the Hierarchy rules from. You wouldn't find turian rebels there or on its moon.

What are you talking about?

Im with you there humanoid, I think it got lost in translation.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Nashiktal wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yeah,we get it,you can copy pasta.

Yup, copy pasta the codex. The bible of the ME universe.

All turians have to be in the military to even become a citizen, most turians have firearms in their home, and all homes are provided with supplementary material that tells them how to make bombs. BOMBS.

What did we get in america? A pamphlet on how to hide froms nukes, under our desks. Turians? HOW TO MAKE BOMBS. Its crazy mate.

I have repeatedly acknowledged the fact that all turians serve in the military,but you refuse to accept that they can leave it once their mandatory term is up,they do not serve their ENTIRE lives in the military,israel has the same law,2 years mandatory service,after which they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT!

[Leonia]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yeah you're definitely not getting it.

no...one..said...they...never...served..we..said..there..are..turians..who..have..already...served...their...term..and..are..now..civilians.

Actually nobody said that, we wouldn't be having this conversation if someone had actually done so.

Palaven is the capital of turian society, it's where the Hierarchy rules from. You wouldn't find turian rebels there or on its moon.

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Who even brought up the concept of civilians in the first place and why are talking about them at all? The only "civilians" would be outcasts within the Blue Suns or similar. I thought we were talking about Palaven, its moon, and the inclusion of females with males. Where the heck do potential turian civilians work into that unless one is implying that there would be civilians on Palaven or its moon (hint: there wouldn't be any). The ones being evacuated are normal turian citizens, all with military training, they are probably regrouping for an offensive counterattack. Refugee status doesn't make them civilians.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I'm sure turians have hardware stores,and farms that need to be ran,and manufacturing that needs to be done.