did they manually travel around the galaxy leaving the relays in place? or did the send a relay through another relay to random places? is that even possible?
how did the reapers create the mass relay network?
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filetemo
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 02:28
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the easy theroy ive found is that its likey they made all beining relays in there home system (before they became reapers). Once they had the relay they sent them out to other locations ether via a larger mass relay (like omega 4 relay as an example) or had them automated to travel to certain locations one they were in place they could just repeat the process as many times as need to.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 07:36
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The Reapers have been around for millions of years. Possibly not too long after the universe began for all we know. We also know that they're very patient. I wouldn't rule -any- possibility out.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 08:01
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Building them in one place and sending them out would be a logistical nightmare, even for advanced hyper machines. It would be easier to send a small pack of Reapers to individual systems, likely by the same means they used to travel thousands of light years in just a few, where they would indoctrinate local lifeforms and have them build them locally.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 08:35
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Maybe the Reapers simply won their war against the original keepers of the cycle..
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 12:53
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The Reapers are old school Geth built in the first Cycle... they rose up killed their masters who built the Relays in a massive empire.
Reapers wiped them out, assimilated the technology and began the cycle.
Reapers wiped them out, assimilated the technology and began the cycle.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 06:11
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Rivercurse wrote...
Maybe the Reapers simply won their war against the original keepers of the cycle..
and how did the original keepers put the relays in place in the first time?
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 07:42
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filetemo wrote...
Rivercurse wrote...
Maybe the Reapers simply won their war against the original keepers of the cycle..
and how did the original keepers put the relays in place in the first time?
touché
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 08:16
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It' a good question.
I find it hard to get all the facts that we have together any way. According to the codex, the star clusters should be natural bounderies to galactic traffic without relays because in between there is not enough matter with a strong magnetic field to discharge drive cores so no prolonged FTL travel between clusters is possible (Arcian made some calculations in another thread that put some doubt on the credibility of this premise but since it is the basis of the ME universe, I think we have to roll with it).
Anyway, ME1 suggested that the reaper need the relays as well. They needed the citadel to open in order to come in from dark space and Saren needed to find the µ relay in order to get to Illos.
However, ME2 and Arrival indicate the reapers have the technology for extended fast flight in empty space so maybe the whole story in ME1 was just a tactical decision in order to save time and immediately conquer the citadel. Favorable but not necessary.
If that is the case, the reapers (or whoever built the relays and had comparable or superior technology) could just have traveled the galaxy in ships in a matter of months (years at the most). This way it would not be a problem to set up the network in a feasible amount of time.
The question is, what is that technology and is it the reapers or the tech of a race that came even before the reapers?
I find it hard to get all the facts that we have together any way. According to the codex, the star clusters should be natural bounderies to galactic traffic without relays because in between there is not enough matter with a strong magnetic field to discharge drive cores so no prolonged FTL travel between clusters is possible (Arcian made some calculations in another thread that put some doubt on the credibility of this premise but since it is the basis of the ME universe, I think we have to roll with it).
Anyway, ME1 suggested that the reaper need the relays as well. They needed the citadel to open in order to come in from dark space and Saren needed to find the µ relay in order to get to Illos.
However, ME2 and Arrival indicate the reapers have the technology for extended fast flight in empty space so maybe the whole story in ME1 was just a tactical decision in order to save time and immediately conquer the citadel. Favorable but not necessary.
If that is the case, the reapers (or whoever built the relays and had comparable or superior technology) could just have traveled the galaxy in ships in a matter of months (years at the most). This way it would not be a problem to set up the network in a feasible amount of time.
The question is, what is that technology and is it the reapers or the tech of a race that came even before the reapers?
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 12:15
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My theory is the Reapers used a massive shotgun to fire themselves in to our galaxy, bypassing the need to use their own engines and the need to discharge.
As a contingency plan, the Reapers could easily secret planets/planetoids or specially designed apparatus designed for discharging in the void between star systems that they could use for emergency discharging should they have to travel without the use of a relay.
As a contingency plan, the Reapers could easily secret planets/planetoids or specially designed apparatus designed for discharging in the void between star systems that they could use for emergency discharging should they have to travel without the use of a relay.
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Posté 23 août 2011 - 06:54
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008Zulu wrote...
My theory is the Reapers used a massive shotgun to fire themselves in to our galaxy, bypassing the need to use their own engines and the need to discharge.
As a contingency plan, the Reapers could easily secret planets/planetoids or specially designed apparatus designed for discharging in the void between star systems that they could use for emergency discharging should they have to travel without the use of a relay.
I'm sorry, but the idea of Sovereign looking like the human cannonball is too funny.
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Posté 23 août 2011 - 07:51
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Just saying, while the lack of systems with suitable drive discharge sites is a barrier to exploration, the primary barrier is time. Universities for example try charting routes to Ilos that never get beyond the planning stages because such a journey would take decades.
Given the distance from where the Reapers were at the end of the suicide mission (far enough to see the entire galaxy), it is fair to assume they have a way to compensate for drive charge buildup. So the only issue is time... except they're immortal.
I would assume that the mass relays were built over the course of extinction cycles, which Vigil notes takes centuries. They have one group focus on the harvesting while the other sets up new mass relays (if you note one of the CDN reports from just before Arrival's release: some relays were discovered to be 50,000 years old while others are older but not all were built at the same time), mass relays are built based upon which systems are most likely to develop sentient life with space faring capabilities (this determination based upon the presence of garden worlds and/or the presence of advanced life), positioned to ensure that these species end up exploiting mass relay technology.
So to answer the question of 'how they did it'? Patience that only an immortal machine god could conjure.
Given the distance from where the Reapers were at the end of the suicide mission (far enough to see the entire galaxy), it is fair to assume they have a way to compensate for drive charge buildup. So the only issue is time... except they're immortal.
I would assume that the mass relays were built over the course of extinction cycles, which Vigil notes takes centuries. They have one group focus on the harvesting while the other sets up new mass relays (if you note one of the CDN reports from just before Arrival's release: some relays were discovered to be 50,000 years old while others are older but not all were built at the same time), mass relays are built based upon which systems are most likely to develop sentient life with space faring capabilities (this determination based upon the presence of garden worlds and/or the presence of advanced life), positioned to ensure that these species end up exploiting mass relay technology.
So to answer the question of 'how they did it'? Patience that only an immortal machine god could conjure.
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Posté 24 août 2011 - 02:25
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Raven4030 wrote...
Given the distance from where the Reapers were at the end of the suicide mission (far enough to see the entire galaxy), it is fair to assume they have a way to compensate for drive charge buildup. So the only issue is time... except they're immortal.
I agree, only that that scene doesn't make much sense anyway, given Arrival. If you play Arrival before the SM, that scene only makes sense i the reapers are devided into two groups. One that is closing in on the alpha relay and another with Harbinger that is still far enough away to see the entire galaxy. That is strange, too because it is harbinger (through the collector general who communicates with you.
If you play Arrival after the SM, it might be just one grou but they would have to be able to go REALLY fast in order to get to the edge of the galaxy so quickly. If they can go that fast, then building the network should be no problem at all.
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Posté 26 août 2011 - 05:00
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the easiest answer is that they didn't even build them in the first place, and there is relevant speculation out there as to whether they are the 'original' species, the original creators etc.
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Posté 26 août 2011 - 05:54
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BentOrgy wrote...
I'm sorry, but the idea of Sovereign looking like the human cannonball is too funny.
I was thinking more like The Human Bullet from the old animated Tick series.
50,000 years between cycles would be ample to place the key relays. Cycle 1; The indoctrinated build and place a few more and so forth until the network is complete.
