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[bobdooly]

Xilizhra wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Get it through your head. They are NOT people. They are asari. They'll be getting their dance on as you fight, toil, and suffer. And your actions will make those of your own flesh and blood a mere historical footnote. Humanity would end up being something like the Quarians. Unwanted, undesirable, largely eradicated, and just "there," because you wanted to get it on with some asari trash. How irresponsible of you.

Or the same thing could happen to asari under a human-controlled galaxy. In any case, those of my own flesh and blood are already all dead. Mindoir. And isn't part of your position that we should do well by our children?

Children born of an asari essentially aren't even yours. They have nearly nothing to do with you. Their "relation" to you is more coincidence than anything. Especially with asari... haha.

Betray one's own race.. live as essentially a waste of genetic material.. raise "children" that you can never be sure are yours... and die like a dog.  Your "children" will forget you soon and very soon for your partner's next suitor. They'll essentially have never known you, whether you were a saint or a demon. What are the positives of saving asari again?

What she does after I die is of no concern to me. I hope she does find someone new; it's their way and I see no reason to change it.

What if your liver said "good luck" and jumped into another body? You'd probably be pretty pissed while the second person got a new liver to replace theirs. Yes, a life was saved, but at the cost at another. And the donor didn't have a choice in the matter.

Could the second person do more good than I?

You previously witnessed the person abandon one person for personal gain, but could have saved the person and gotten away.

[Volus Warlord]

Xilizhra wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Children born of an asari essentially aren't even yours. They have nearly nothing to do with you. Their "relation" to you is more coincidence than anything. Especially with asari... haha.

Betray one's own race.. live as essentially a waste of genetic material.. raise "children" that you can never be sure are yours... and die like a dog.  Your "children" will forget you soon and very soon for your partner's next suitor. They'll essentially have never known you, whether you were a saint or a demon. What are the positives of saving asari again?

What she does after I die is of no concern to me. I hope she does find someone new; it's their way and I see no reason to change it.

You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

[RAF1940]

Tommy6860 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

The thread is now an

Is it bad that this is actually the second time this picture has been posted?

Yes. 

I know. : /

[Yakko77]

No.

Even my paragon Sheps will sacrifice the entire galaxy if that's what it takes to save humanity. Hopefully it wont come to that.

[bobdooly]

Ferris95 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

That was actual the bare minimum of Council support as they were downplaying the situation to avoid bad publicity and what not. If some species attacked humanity, the saviors of all sentient life everywhere, it wouldn't just be the bare minimum. It would be an extermination, the batarians would have no chance.

And for as much as I hate the Hegemony; their not idiots. Why attack your saviour and incure the wrath of the galaxy? Bad move in every aspect. Nothing to gain, everthing to lose. 

Would the Council help? They certainly didn't lift the saviors of the Citadel with their colonies to "preserve galactic stability".

That was the Citadel. Not the entire galaxy and the fate of sentient life forever. Scale matters, not to mention that public sympathies would lie with humanity at this point. Protecting them would be a good move and help the Council's public image.

If the Citadel was lost it would be the same as not defeating the Reapers during ME3. So... same scale.

Maybe, but not in the eyes of the public. With the battle of the Citadel there was no information being released to the public about the Reapers, and it was fairly easily to cover up.

A mass full scale invasion by mechanical eldritch abominations from space? Harder to cover up, would be far easier to play up humanity's role in their defeat and how they had the Council's full support. Don't forget that we also have a spot on the Council now, I think we might be able to convince them to spare the few resources needed to decimitate a rag-tag army of space pirates.

Read: quick raid. Show up, take hostages. Get out before Citadel fleet can get past slaver's fleet.

But why would they even do that? It's the worst possible move. What is there to gain? The Hegemony, again, aren't idiots. They won't go killing the saviours of the universe on principle.

I'm not saying they would, just that it's a huge risk considering their track record. Wait, what are we arguing about? This is a humanity vs asari thread.

[Rockworm503]

XDMMX wrote...

Wow! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to condemn there own species to extinction?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from,  to condemn the entier galaxy to extinction to save their own?

[RAF1940]

Volus Warlord wrote...
You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

A reason I am mostly against mating with asari.

There are obvious exceptions, like Liara, as she could never let Shepard go, but most asari would just move on and forget you.

[Xilizhra]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Children born of an asari essentially aren't even yours. They have nearly nothing to do with you. Their "relation" to you is more coincidence than anything. Especially with asari... haha.

Betray one's own race.. live as essentially a waste of genetic material.. raise "children" that you can never be sure are yours... and die like a dog.  Your "children" will forget you soon and very soon for your partner's next suitor. They'll essentially have never known you, whether you were a saint or a demon. What are the positives of saving asari again?

What she does after I die is of no concern to me. I hope she does find someone new; it's their way and I see no reason to change it.

You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

I live for the galaxy's survival above all else. And that is what I will accomplish, regardless of what sacrifices need to be made.

[RAF1940]

Rockworm503 wrote...

XDMMX wrote...

Wow! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to condemn there own species to extinction?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from,  to condemn the entier galaxy to extinction to save their own?

Not the entire galaxy. The asari.

[Xilizhra]

RAF1940 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

A reason I am mostly against mating with asari.

There are obvious exceptions, like Liara, as she could never let Shepard go, but most asari would just move on and forget you.

Again, why should I care what they do after I die? I'll be dead.

[bobdooly]

Rockworm503 wrote...

XDMMX wrote...

Wow! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to condemn there own species to extinction?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from,  to condemn the entier galaxy to extinction to save their own?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to take the comment waaaaay out of context?

[D.Kain]

Volus Warlord wrote...

1)You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
2)You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
3)You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
4)You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

1) You don't know the reason, nor purpose, nor anything, nobody does.
2) If your children don't realise what you are to them, it doesn't mean that you didn't do anything.
3) Race survival is meaningless. What matters is lives, here and now.
4) It's not about humans, it's about Shepard, a uneque individual, that could have been a member of any other race. Humans as a whole are not Shepard. 

[Rockworm503]

Volus Warlord wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

XDMMX wrote...

Wow! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to condemn there own species to extinction?

How about "Ilovehotsexybluebisexualhornywomanrace-itis"?

Indeed. The support for asari is largely superficial. No one would hesitate for batarians.

Batarians would join the reapers if it meant screwing us over.  So not fair comparing Asari to them.

[RAF1940]

Xilizhra wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

A reason I am mostly against mating with asari.

There are obvious exceptions, like Liara, as she could never let Shepard go, but most asari would just move on and forget you.

Again, why should I care what they do after I die? I'll be dead.

That was your mate. Does it not matter to you what you meant to them?

[Rockworm503]

bobdooly wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

XDMMX wrote...

Wow! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to condemn there own species to extinction?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from,  to condemn the entier galaxy to extinction to save their own?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to take the comment waaaaay out of context?

There is no context.  Hence my point.

[Xilizhra]

RAF1940 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

A reason I am mostly against mating with asari.

There are obvious exceptions, like Liara, as she could never let Shepard go, but most asari would just move on and forget you.

Again, why should I care what they do after I die? I'll be dead.

That was your mate. Does it not matter to you what you meant to them?

I know I'll have meant something to her. I know I'll have changed her life for the better. That's enough for me.

[Mr.House]

All comes down to who will be important in the battle. If the Asari will be a bigger help, you bet your ass I would save them, it would also be reverse. Shepard's goal is to stop the Reapers, at any cost, not to save a race to get a booty call.\\ or get a medal.

[RAF1940]

Xilizhra wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
You would have lived and died for nothing. No purpose. No reason. Nothing.
You didn't live for your children. You're nothing to them in the long run.
You didn't live for your race's survival. You let them die.
You didn't live for the good of the galaxy. Humans are why Sovereign lost and why the Reapers will lose more than any other race. Humans can beat challenges others cannot.
So.. you save the asari 'cause you're in it for the giggles, essentially? 
The idea of that is appalling to me. Yet you accept it readily.

A reason I am mostly against mating with asari.

There are obvious exceptions, like Liara, as she could never let Shepard go, but most asari would just move on and forget you.

Again, why should I care what they do after I die? I'll be dead.

That was your mate. Does it not matter to you what you meant to them?

I know I'll have meant something to her. I know I'll have changed her life for the better. That's enough for me.

I would prefer to always mean something to her.

[bobdooly]

Rockworm503 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

XDMMX wrote...

Wow! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to condemn there own species to extinction?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from,  to condemn the entier galaxy to extinction to save their own?

WOW! I wonder what kind of mental disorder someone would have to be suffering from, to take the comment waaaaay out of context?

There is no context.  Hence my point.

The original comment was "don't sacrifice your species to save another", which you took as "don't sacrifice your species to save the entire galaxy of many different species"

[Xilizhra]

I would prefer to always mean something to her.

By this point we're going into purely semantic territory.

[RAF1940]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Only if the asari was facing extinction and humanity would survive.

Nope. Asari and humans in their current forms states.

[AcidGlow]

yeah i would choose saving the asari over humans XD even if it was a real life choice lol

"Humans are a blight on the galaxy." =3

ehh yeah id do it then kill myself in the process lol

Modifié par AcidGlow, 21 août 2011 - 04:06 .

[Sisterofshane]

Xilizhra wrote...

What if your liver said "good luck" and jumped into another body? You'd probably be pretty pissed while the second person got a new liver to replace theirs. Yes, a life was saved, but at the cost at another. And the donor didn't have a choice in the matter.

Could the second person do more good than I?

So wait, should we base this decision on what we could do, or what we are doing?
Because while some here feel that the Asari are "better" then Humans, the term is totally subjective.

An a whole I don't feel that their race has proven to be any more or less anything that Humanity.  There are paragon Asari, there are ruthless Asari, there are renegade Asari, just the same as humanity (to put it in game terms).  They have the potential to be good or bad for the future galaxy, just the same as Humans.  Just because the game describes them as better "diplomatically", it doesn't mean that they wouldn't be willing to "diplomatically" screw over other species (did they intervene when the Krogan wiped out the Rachni?  How about when the Salarians/Turians utilized the Genophage?).

And as what they "could" be, that is all speculative.  I "could be" the best brain surgeon in the world, but nobody can prove that until it actually happens or doesn't happen.