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[Rockworm503]

RAF1940 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I'd pick vorcha over asari.

So no

I'll kill the Vorcha and call it even... No wait the Asari aren't parasites so yeah.

Are they really parasites, or is this metaphorical?

All we have to go on is what little we've seen of them in ME2.
Releasing the plague on Omega just to spite the other species.
Distrustful of everyone who talks to them.
Hang around the dark allys of Omega and do nothing to help.
It seems their only purpose is to be the lowest sentient life in the galaxy.
As much as I hate the Batarians.  At least they do more than leech off others and actually do things (mostly slavers but a jobs a job I guess)
their very nature is parasitic.  So yes I think of them as no better than a tapeworm.

[bobdooly]

D.Kain wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

While I am NOT answering for him, I'm just going to give what I get from his reasoning. The asari can take their homeworld being destroyed while humans can't because of billions more in number. Even if it was even, they are no more important than you. One or the other.

But it doesn't make sense sacrifising more to save less. People are born and die everyday. Why would you care about those that are nor born yet instead of carring for those that live NOW?

The asari, because of their large numbers, can survive and be stable if their homeworld were to be destroyed and everybody died. If that happened to humans, they would have less than 20 million. And with only 2-3% in military, they would be easy pickings for anybody who has a bone to pick with them. 

[RAF1940]

Rockworm503 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I'd pick vorcha over asari.

So no

I'll kill the Vorcha and call it even... No wait the Asari aren't parasites so yeah.

Are they really parasites, or is this metaphorical?

All we have to go on is what little we've seen of them in ME2.
Releasing the plague on Omega just to spite the other species.
Distrustful of everyone who talks to them.
Hang around the dark allys of Omega and do nothing to help.
It seems their only purpose is to be the lowest sentient life in the galaxy.
As much as I hate the Batarians.  At least they do more than leech off others and actually do things (mostly slavers but a jobs a job I guess)
their very nature is parasitic.  So yes I think of them as no better than a tapeworm.

I thought it was metaphorical. I never saw any (literal) parasitic characteristics.

[D.Kain]

bobdooly wrote...


The asari, because of their large numbers, can survive and be stable if their homeworld were to be destroyed and everybody died. If that happened to humans, they would have less than 20 million. And with only 2-3% in military, they would be easy pickings for anybody who has a bone to pick with them. 

Yes, but why is it so important to not let that happen if you can save so many lives? Even if humans go instinct it wouldn't mean anything. I am talking about those that live, not those that would live. 
 

[RAF1940]

Luc0s wrote...

Wouldn't you feel f*cked?

yes

[LilyasAvalon]

No, I'd save the turians over both of them.

[bobdooly]

EDIT: READ MY NEXT POST INSTEAD OF THIS

Modifié par bobdooly, 21 août 2011 - 04:28 .

[Nerdage]

If there was really no context beyond "Who will you save?"..

Hmmm...

I'd probably pick Asari. I'm guessing there are more of them, and I'd think their lifespans give a single Asari more potential than a single Human in pretty much all respects. I also kind of like the idea from a story perspective. The Illusive Man's reaction could also be pretty funny, but that's a secondary reason at best.

If there is some context to it though, and the choice appears to affect the fight against the reapers, then I'd go with whichever one seems least likely to doom civilization, whichever one that happens to be. The galaxy can war over who made who extinct once we're not all in danger of dying.

[GodWood]

RAF1940 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I'd pick vorcha over asari.

So no

Care to elaborate?

To cleanse the franchise of the filth that is fan-service.

[bobdooly]

bobdooly wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

bobdooly wrote...


The asari, because of their large numbers, can survive and be stable if their homeworld were to be destroyed and everybody died. If that happened to humans, they would have less than 20 million. And with only 2-3% in military, they would be easy pickings for anybody who has a bone to pick with them. 

Yes, but why is it so important to not let that happen if you can save so many lives? Even if humans go instinct it wouldn't mean anything. I am talking about those that live, not those that would live. 
 

OK so let me kill anybody with African culture. They don't really contribute to the world as a whole, so genocide is okay against them, right?

(I mean Africa, where they live in dirt huts and eat once a month, not people who appreciate it in other countries)

[RAF1940]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

No, I'd save the turians over both of them.

    j/k

[D.Kain]

Luc0s wrote...

Because that's not the topic of the thread.

Sure, I rather judge every single person as an individual and not based on their species, but that's not the point of this thread.

If I could, I'd try to save all species. However, that is not the point of this thread.


For me, this is not just about procreation or the preservence of my species, but what I think about is this:

You are a human.
Commander Shepard, the hero of the citadel, a human, he makes you proud. He's your hero.
You're proud that one human is making a difference out there. You're glad that though Shepard is a SPECTRE and fights for the council now, he hasn't forgotten about you. Shepard still fights for humanity first and foremost (even if you're not pro-cerberus or pro-humanity, you can't deny that Shepard still cares a lot about humanity).

Now, the reapers are invading. Humanity is at the verge of extinction. You are scared but you have hope, because Commander Shepard, the human hero will come to save his people from the reapers!

...or not... because Shepard all of the sudden decided that he rather saves the asari first.

Wouldn't you feel f*cked?

If I knew that my death just saved millions of lives, I wouldn't feel f*cked at all. 

It's not about species it's about lives, any lives. But not about those that do not yet live.

[RAF1940]

GodWood wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I'd pick vorcha over asari.

So no

Care to elaborate?

To cleanse the franchise of the filth that is fan-service.

I see your point.

[RAF1940]

D.Kain wrote...
If I knew that my death just saved millions of lives, I wouldn't feel f*cked at all. 

It's not about species it's about lives, any lives. But not about those that do not yet live.

Maybe, but Bob in Toronto probably doesn't feel that way when he sees a husk (that used to be his best friend) kill his child.

[D.Kain]

bobdooly wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

bobdooly wrote...


The asari, because of their large numbers, can survive and be stable if their homeworld were to be destroyed and everybody died. If that happened to humans, they would have less than 20 million. And with only 2-3% in military, they would be easy pickings for anybody who has a bone to pick with them. 

Yes, but why is it so important to not let that happen if you can save so many lives? Even if humans go instinct it wouldn't mean anything. I am talking about those that live, not those that would live. 
 

OK so let me kill anybody with African culture. They don't really contribute to the world as a whole, so genocide is okay against them, right?

(I mean Africa, where they live in dirt huts and eat once a month, not people who appreciate it in other countries)

What are you talking about?? You don't kill! You save! It doesn't matter if it's beneficial or not, it's about lives!

[D.Kain]

RAF1940 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
If I knew that my death just saved millions of lives, I wouldn't feel f*cked at all. 

It's not about species it's about lives, any lives. But not about those that do not yet live.

Maybe, but Bob in Toronto probably doesn't feel that way when he sees a husk (that used to be his best friend) kill his child.

So a million of Asari should feel better than Bob?

[KainrycKarr]

Xilizhra wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

I don't think a higher population is really a good reason (quote won't work on my phone).

All right. So you should save fewer people because... why, exactly?

Uh, well to be honest the higher population is sort of a good reason why you WOULDN'T choose the Asari over humanity.

If the Asari have a higher population, it gives them less chance for total extinction. You put more effort towards the less populated species because they have a higher vulnerability to extinction.

[D.Kain]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

I don't think a higher population is really a good reason (quote won't work on my phone).

All right. So you should save fewer people because... why, exactly?

Uh, well to be honest the higher population is sort of a good reason why you WOULDN'T choose the Asari over humanity.

If the Asari have a higher population, it gives them less chance for total extinction. You put more effort towards the less populated species because they have a higher vulnerability to extinction.

NOO! That's exacly the reason to do so!  

You have to save as much lives as posible!

[Nerdage]

Luc0s wrote...

You are a human.
Commander Shepard, the hero of the citadel, a human, he makes you proud. He's your hero.
You're proud that one human is making a difference out there. You're glad that though Shepard is a SPECTRE and fights for the council now, he hasn't forgotten about you. Shepard still fights for humanity first and foremost (even if you're not pro-cerberus or pro-humanity, you can't deny that Shepard still cares a lot about humanity).

Now, the reapers are invading. Humanity is at the verge of extinction. You are scared but you have hope, because Commander Shepard, the human hero will come to save his people from the reapers!

...or not... because Shepard all of the sudden decided that he rather saves the asari first.

Wouldn't you feel f*cked?

Nothing that Shepard does suggests (s)he values humanity over any other species (or indeed a human life over an alien life) unless that's how you choose to play it. Nothing I'm aware of, anyway.

[bobdooly]

D.Kain wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

bobdooly wrote...


The asari, because of their large numbers, can survive and be stable if their homeworld were to be destroyed and everybody died. If that happened to humans, they would have less than 20 million. And with only 2-3% in military, they would be easy pickings for anybody who has a bone to pick with them. 

Yes, but why is it so important to not let that happen if you can save so many lives? Even if humans go instinct it wouldn't mean anything. I am talking about those that live, not those that would live. 
 

OK so let me kill anybody with African culture. They don't really contribute to the world as a whole, so genocide is okay against them, right?

(I mean Africa, where they live in dirt huts and eat once a month, not people who appreciate it in other countries)

What are you talking about?? You don't kill! You save! It doesn't matter if it's beneficial or not, it's about lives!

What I meant was (I admit, I worded it poorly) that you have to think of the long run. Asari have a tendency of betraying people when it suits them. Humans haven't shown such a habit. Asari doctorine would lead to more deaths over time from slavers and imperialists while humans would just deal with the problem.

A rich man who donates $5 gives less than a poor man who donates $1, and you want the cost as low as possible. Think about that for a minute.

[D.Kain]

Luc0s wrote...

But if it's about lives (and I agree that it's about live), than wouldn't you want to preserve as many species as possible?

And knowing that the asari is a much bigger race, with more colonies and a higher population: Wouldn't it make more sense to save humanity first?

Not because humanity is more important or because humanity is your own species, but because humanity is DOOMED if it suffers more than a few billion casualties. This, while the asari could take such a hit and still have a chance to survive.

So basically, humanity is the weaker species.
Doesn't it make more sense to assume that the stronger species can hold their own (for now) and save the weaker species first?
Doesn't it make more sense to assume that the asari for now can hold their own, so you'd better save humanity first?

I don't care about species, I care about lives! I don't care about those that are not born. They are just not going to be born at all. I will save those that live HERE and NOW. They live, they feel, they care. Those that are not born don't live.

[The Twilight God]

Xilizhra wrote...

Asari have a higher population than humans. The math isn't tremendously difficult.

One asari could repopulate their entire species. They'd just meld with any animal that walked by and they'd be able to concieve. Not too worried about them. Humans on the otherhand actually mate and don't have the longevity. How many kids can an asari pop out in 1000 years?

In any case, my children will be asari, so I'm using the same progeny argument as a lot of you.

Liara's children will be asari. Shepard cannot have a child with an asari. The child will be as much Shepard's progeny as any other asari (i.e. No genetic relation whatsoever).

Modifié par The Twilight God, 21 août 2011 - 04:42 .