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[RAF1940]

Ferris95 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

@D.Kain:

I have another interesting proposition for you.


If you could save exactly 15 billion lives and not a single life more or less, how would you divide that 15 billion over the asari and humans? (lets forget about the other species for now and focus on humans and asari)

Keep in mind that there are roughly 10 billion humans alive and probably 1 trillion asari (or at least 50 billion).


My "pie" would look like this:
10 billion humans.
5 billion asari.

7.5 billion humans
7.5 billion asari

Easy call.

I disagree. That is doing significant damage to the human population, and not even putting a dent in the asari population.

[D.Kain]

Luc0s wrote...

Well to put it this way:

If I could safe exactly 15 billion lives, I'd save 10 billion human lives and 5 billion asari lives (for the sake of argument I act as if humans and asari are the only species that excist).

Yes see that's if the species all survive. But the OP actually said that you either save ALL Asari or ALL Humans. So it leaves a choice of saving more Asari or less humans.

[RAF1940]

D.Kain wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Well to put it this way:

If I could safe exactly 15 billion lives, I'd save 10 billion human lives and 5 billion asari lives (for the sake of argument I act as if humans and asari are the only species that excist).

Yes see that's if the species all survive. But the OP actually said that you either save ALL Asari or ALL Humans. So it leaves a choice of saving more Asari or less humans.

I admit that when I made this, I wasn't aware of the massive difference in population.

I was really asking "why would people sacrifice their own species for the asari?"

[RAF1940]

This thread has been fun, but I'm done. I can't wait to see the state of it in the morning (likely locked, lol).

[Homey C-Dawg]

I'd save humanity if I had an equal chance of saving either, but I can understand why some people wouldn't. People are more complex creatures than any other animal on this planet, and our reactions to things and motivations are not always based on instinctual drive.

I guess it really depends on which species your more attached to. There are a ton of sci-fi nuts out there would would readily abandon the human race in order to live with aliens even if there were no threat.

Nothing wrong with that to me, Personally I'm not "human first" as far as the ME universe goes, but I'm still as loyal to my species as I can be.

[Kidd]

Asari, the wonderful people who can have children even with infertile humans. Yes, I would sacrifice humanity for their survival. The few stray humans who survive on Asari worlds would allow humanity to live on through their blue daughters for all eternity any way =)

[XDMMX]

Another reason to save Humanity would be our superior Military Industrial complex and overall larger Military.

As far as I know the Asari have a decentralized Military, relying on small groups of well trained commandos for fast and lethal strikes, which is great for asymmetric warfare, but given the nature of the Reaper threat that just aint gonna cut it.

Any attempt to fight the Reapers in some sort of drawn out guerilla style campaign will end in disaster, as you would be playing right into the Reapers game plan, they can simply wait us organics out and indoctrinate followers to sniff out any resistance, then destroy us at there leisure.

If where to have any hope of surviving we need to have strong forces to fight the Reapers that can win real victories against them, or atleast buy us some time to figure out how to defeat them.

For instance the Salarians for intel, Turians for there strong fleets and rigid military, the Krogan for there extreme skill and horde mentality in battle and Humanity for our well rounded and adaptive military.

Im not saying that the Asari wouldn't be useful, its just that if I had to choose between Humanity and the Asari, I would say that the Asari are the weakest link in the fight against the Reapers. So its gonna be the Asari that get sacrificed.

Modifié par XDMMX, 21 août 2011 - 05:55 .

[Dr JewLove]

id save the krogans

[Biotic Sage]

It would depend on the circumstances.

Asari and Humans are both sapient beings with emotions and agency. If we were to look at the world in terms of strict Darwinism, then the choice would be easy: the survival of your own species would obviously be a priority over another species. However, this is sci-fi, and sapient beings transcend nature because they possess the ability to reason; since we can recognize what naturalism is, we can CHOOSE to act against it. When you look at both species, neither is more deserving of survival than the other.

Once again, only in sci-fi can you get this moral dilemma of two sapient species. However, some people have brought up the nationalism analogy: "If I'm American then I save America over Europe!" Here is where sci-fi can teach us something. Europeans and Americans are both sapient beings, just like the humans and Asari, and if the majority of people would really base their decision as to which group survives solely on something as narrow-minded as nationalism, then mankind has a long way to go before we reach an enlightened cosmopolitan culture.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 21 août 2011 - 06:01 .

[RAF1940]

XDMMX wrote...

Another reason to save Humanity would be our superior Military Industrial complex and overall larger Military.

As far as I know the Asari have a decentralized Military, relying on small groups of well trained commandos for fast and lethal strikes, which is great for asymmetric warfare, but given the nature of the Reaper threat that just aint gonna cut it.

Good points.

[TexasToast712]

 No for 2 reasons.

1. They can mate with anything and reproduce
2. They have the most colony worlds out of every species. Losing Thessia wouldn't be that big of a deal.

[Dionkey]

 Well I would have to think abou-



Earth can burn for all I care.

[RAF1940]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 No for 2 reasons.

1. They can mate with anything and reproduce
2. They have the most colony worlds out of every species. Losing Thessia wouldn't be that big of a deal.

It's not specifically Thessia, although that is the only logical "kill the humans vs. kill the asari" scenario (and by that I mean Earth or Thessia is the only real way to pick between humans and asari).

This is mainly a hypothetical "save which species?" situation.

[TexasToast712]

Dionkey wrote...

 Well I would have to think abou-



Earth can burn for all I care.

Liara is an intelligent person. I'm sure she would understand. I am a Liara romancer and I would sacrifice the Asari over the humans.

[RAF1940]

Dionkey wrote...

 Well I would have to think abou-



Earth can burn for all I care.

But, Liara states in ME1 that she is pretty detached from asari society. And she loves humans.

She would probably want you to save Earth.

[RAF1940]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

 Well I would have to think abou-



Earth can burn for all I care.

Liara is an intelligent person. I'm sure she would understand. I am a Liara romancer and I would sacrifice the Asari over the humans.

Same.

[Sepewrath]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Asari, the wonderful people who can have children even with infertile humans. Yes, I would sacrifice humanity for their survival. The few stray humans who survive on Asari worlds would allow humanity to live on through their blue daughters for all eternity any way =)

lol well I wouldn't exactly say that is humanity living on. in fact I would say humanity is extinct in that situation. But personally I would save all the ducks in the universe.

[KotorEffect3]

What brought this thread about?

[Dionkey]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

 Well I would have to think abou-



Earth can burn for all I care.

Liara is an intelligent person. I'm sure she would understand. I am a Liara romancer and I would sacrifice the Asari over the humans.

Of course, but I wouldn't go out of my way to save Humans first. If the Asari homeworld was right near me and Earth had the same amount of time Thessia did, I would totally save Thessia. I am not much of a patriot when it comes to this kind of stuff, so I would value life in numbers rather than race, save who I can.

[RAF1940]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

What brought this thread about?

I've just seen people say they would pick asari over my time here.

[RAF1940]

Dionkey wrote...
Of course, but I wouldn't go out of my way to save Humans first.

I admit, I probably would.

[Dionkey]

RAF1940 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
Of course, but I wouldn't go out of my way to save Humans first.

I admit, I probably would.

Damn, you guys sound like Cerberus. I think BSN really doesn't like the Asari tonight considering the other thead was called "Thessia must be destroyed.".

[Vyse_Fina]

RAF1940 wrote...

Why does everyone like them so much?

They come across as snooty to me.

I have to quote Kaiden on that one: "they are saints and jerks, juat like we are". In other words: They aren't as different from us as you may think. We also haven't seen a lot of them. The one on the council is a poliitician. Imagine you only kewn Udina. What would you think of humanity? Aria is a crime Lord. No need to elaborate on that. Illium has some but pretty much everyone there is corrupt (hell even Liara turnd into an ass there). Bnezia was under Sovreign's control. You get my point.

@topic:
From what we've seen in the trailers I think the story will go something like this: We go to earth because of the trial thing, the reapers attack, and then we have to escape and find enough supporters to save earth. In other words we have to help the other races first in order to have a large enough fleet so save earth and depending on how much time you take you may come too late. 
If this is the case, then I think the Asari would be  among the first races I'd rescue. If it is not... well I don't know too much about the other races so they have the benefit of the doubt, but I know humans well enough to dislike them, so yeah I can imagine saving others first even then.

TexasToast712 wrote...

Liara is an intelligent person. I'm
sure she would understand.

If there was something to understand there... I mean, seriously: Why would that make more sense from the perspective of an Asari? The only thing she'd understand is that a human would want to save humanity first. Given her relationship with her own people (Pureblood thing) I am not sure if she'd oppose the idea, but other than that there is no logic behind the argument "Humans are worth more than Asari, she'd understand"

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 21 août 2011 - 07:15 .

[RAF1940]

Dionkey wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
Of course, but I wouldn't go out of my way to save Humans first.

I admit, I probably would.

Damn, you guys sound like Cerberus. I think BSN really doesn't like the Asari tonight considering the other thead was called "Thessia must be destroyed.".

This thread actually inspired that one.

[RAF1940]

Vyse_Fina wrote...
From what we've seen in the trailers I think the story will go something like this: We go to earth because of the trial thing, the reapers attack, and then we have to escape and find enough supporters to save earth. In other words we have to help the other races first in order to have a large enough fleet so save earth and depending on how much time you take you may come too late. 
If this is the case, then I think the Asari would be  among the first races I'd rescue. If it is not... well I don't know too much about the other races so they have the benefit of the doubt, but I know humans well enough to dislike them, so yeah I can imagine saving others first even then.

I really hope the story isn't that basic, but I have a feeling it will be.