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[marshalleck]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm looking at population numbers, nothing more. I feel no political affiliation with my species in any case; my genes don't determine my allegiance.

Your ability to reproduce and create a future for yourself beyond your own lifetime should, though. A healty individual looks after themselves first, then their immediate family, then social groups that are progressively larger.

If you try to take on too large of a scale before caring to the smaller scale, then you will likely find your efforts wasted because an individual's influence is diluted more and more with each larger social group.

I've said it numerous times. Even though I don't believe the argument is valid, if it was, I'm reproducing with an asari. They would consist of my immediate family, and then I'd take on whichever larger social groups were in more need.

Which is actually great. It's probably best that your Shepard's tendencies will not be passed to the next generation.

 Except the extent to which your tendencies are passed on are more defined by how you raise the child than the genetics you give it, so those tendencies of 'not putting your own species first' would likely pass on to the asari child even though it has none of your genetics

Which is exactly my point.

[Nashiktal]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

I just don't see how people arn't getting it.

People see sacrifice as a bad thing for some reason or another.

And as callous as it sounds, in the grand scheme of things its not even that big of a sacrifice. 

If thessia held the majority of the Asari population I could understand the worry, but they have been living as an intergalacitc species long before the turians even! They live to be around 1000, can reproduce for most of it, have multiple children who also have longs lives while reproducing...

The math doesn't add up you know?

[Homebound]

would the asari seriously save humanity?

[Nashiktal]

Hellbound555 wrote...

would the asari seriously save humanity?

That depends on the parameters.

[SandTrout]

Or, who knows, maybe the tendency to not put your own species first would not be the insta-kill everyone here thinks it is, and could lead to an improved galaxy?

If there was a future galactic situation of enjoyment, peace and respect, in which due to their reproductive status all asari had outbred all other races which has peacably passed into extinction, I wouldn't care

Scarce resources lead inevitably to conflict. If you are unable or unwilling to act on your own behalf, then you will be overtaken.

Improvements in societies and species are derived from conflict, as well. Oil lamps are no longer used because electric light-bulbs are superior. However, electric light-bulbs require different infrastructure than oil lamps, making the decision, at the time, less obvious. Instead, the two competed for the market until one proved to be superior. Had Edison assumed that everyone would recognize the value of his invention and not fought for it, he would have ended up like Nikola Tesla, penniless.

Just because they have those reproductive abilities, does not mean they have malicious intent to dominate the galaxy

They do have malicious intent to dominate the galaxy, and they are apparently using their unique reproductive abilities toward this end. The Council's history is rife with examples of the Asari taking actions that are detrimental to other species, and the galaxy as a whole, as a means of maintaining their dominance. Illium is a fine example of how the Asari have maintained their dominance on a planet with such a diverse population.

[Drone223]

Asari can live up too 1000 years thats more than enough time to rcover the species so they should be able to take losing most of their total galatic population

[Nashiktal]

Luc0s wrote...

Vyse_Fina wrote...

From what we've seen in the trailers I think the story will go something like this: We go to earth because of the trial thing, the reapers attack, and then we have to escape and find enough supporters to save earth. In other words we have to help the other races first in order to have a large enough fleet so save earth and depending on how much time you take you may come too late. 
If this is the case, then I think the Asari would be  among the first races I'd rescue. If it is not... well I don't know too much about the other races so they have the benefit of the doubt, but I know humans well enough to dislike them, so yeah I can imagine saving others first even then.

If that's how it's going to work than I still wouldn't consider saving the asari first.

How are thr asari supposed to help us against the reapers?

Better to save the salarians first. They're smart and tech-savvy and they have the best scientists. They can help us ot come up with a plan to take back earth.

Then we need the turians for their militairy expertise. They can help us in co-ordinating an attack on earth to claim back our home planet.

Finally we need the krogan and geth for brute force and massive firepower. Together they'd form the perfect ground team.

If there is time left we need the quarians for space-battle. Their migrant fleet is the most sophisticated fleet in the galaxy with massive firepower and the ability to bomb the reapers from orbit.


1. salarian
2. turian
3. krogan
4. geth
5. quarian


That's basically what we fundamentally would need against the reapers. All the other species are expendable. If we can save them than that's nice of course, but they don't have priority to be saved.

I agreed with you until there. 

The Quarian flotilla is a fleet of scrap metal, full of bickering quarians who try to decide where to go, and hope to god no one realizes their military fleet is actually a bunch of small police vessles.

I will give you they have logistic skills and pure numbers, but sophistication? Firepower? Throw the flotilla at the reapers, and you will get scrap back.

If I used the flotilla, logistics would be its role. Supplies, transport, maybe even meat shields.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 21 août 2011 - 09:29 .

[marshalleck]

Yeah, if you ever bother to pay even the slightest bit of attention to the lore, you'd know the Flotilla is NOT the most sophisticated fleet in the galaxy. It's decrepit, being held together with equal parts spit, duct tape, and desperate hope. Some of the ships date from the Morning War itself, meaning they're over 300 years old.

The sad state of the flotilla is in fact the very reason so many quarians are ingenious starship engineers: they are forced to be creative problem solvers.

Modifié par marshalleck, 21 août 2011 - 09:33 .

[Nashiktal]

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, if you ever bother to pay even the slightest bit of attention to the lore, you'd know the Flotilla is NOT the most sophisticated fleet in the galaxy. It's decrepit, being held together with equal parts spit, duct tape, and desperate hope. Some of the ships date from the Morning War itself, meaning they're over 300 years old.

And any "new" ships they get is always used, derelict, or decomissioned. Meaning all their tech is outdated compared to the rest of the galaxy.

[LorDC]

I'd prefer all other worlds in the galaxy burn over sacrificing Earth.

[Arppis]

Every world and spieces has potential, so they should be given a chance to show that. Working with other spieces let's us get the goods too and because we don't just take them by force, we can continue benefiting from the relationships, gaining more advances.

So yeah, every race should be given that chance of co-operation atleast.
Wouldn't choose asari over humans thou. Unless there are factors that make the asari a better choice in the sittulation.

Modifié par Arppis, 21 août 2011 - 09:40 .

[Nashiktal]

Arppis wrote...

Every world and spieces has potential, so they should be given a chance to show that. Working with other spieces let's us get the goods too and because we don't just take them by force, we can continue benefiting from the relationships, gaining more advances.

So yeah, every race should be given that chance of co-operation atleast.
Wouldn't choose asari over humans thou. Unless there are factors that make the asari a better choice in the sittulation.

But Why? You are not killing the asari as a race, just sacrificing their homeworld. Keep in mind just how big the asari are, and how surivable. 

[Arppis]

Nashiktal wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Every world and spieces has potential, so they should be given a chance to show that. Working with other spieces let's us get the goods too and because we don't just take them by force, we can continue benefiting from the relationships, gaining more advances.

So yeah, every race should be given that chance of co-operation atleast.
Wouldn't choose asari over humans thou. Unless there are factors that make the asari a better choice in the sittulation.

But Why? You are not killing the asari as a race, just sacrificing their homeworld. Keep in mind just how big the asari are, and how surivable. 

They would be pissed off for a long time. Just like humans would be in the same sittulation.

[didymos1120]

Luc0s wrote...

They have over 5000 ships.

About 45,000 over, in fact.

[Homebound]

didymos1120 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

They have over 5000 ships.

About 45,000 over, in fact.

but thats over 9000, theres no way that could be right!

[MassStorm]

Of course Asari are 1000000000000000000000 times better than us.

[Arppis]

MassStorm wrote...

Of course Asari are 1000000000000000000000 times better than us.

Naaaaw, they don't have us men.

[Golden Owl]

Arppis wrote...

Every world and spieces has potential, so they should be given a chance to show that. Working with other spieces let's us get the goods too and because we don't just take them by force, we can continue benefiting from the relationships, gaining more advances.

So yeah, every race should be given that chance of co-operation atleast.
Wouldn't choose asari over humans thou. Unless there are factors that make the asari a better choice in the sittulation.

Absolutley...this is a brilliant point.

[MassStorm]

Arppis wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Of course Asari are 1000000000000000000000 times better than us.

Naaaaw, they don't have us men.

Well i think as an human male refugee i will probably seek my new home in an asari world. . Just to compensate this......
Seriously it would be an hard choice for me....

Modifié par MassStorm, 21 août 2011 - 09:51 .

[Arppis]

Luc0s wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Every world and spieces has potential, so they should be given a chance to show that. Working with other spieces let's us get the goods too and because we don't just take them by force, we can continue benefiting from the relationships, gaining more advances.

So yeah, every race should be given that chance of co-operation atleast.
Wouldn't choose asari over humans thou. Unless there are factors that make the asari a better choice in the sittulation.

But Why? You are not killing the asari as a race, just sacrificing their homeworld. Keep in mind just how big the asari are, and how surivable. 

They would be pissed off for a long time. Just like humans would be in the same sittulation.

If you pick the asari over humanity in your priority list, there won't be a humanity left to be pissed off. We don't have the luxury to get screwed by our own human Commander Shepard and be actually pissed about it, When that happens, we're death and doomed.

Yep, that's why we need our allies. To help us save the planet, not "alienate" them and push them away for some quick element zero.

I do have humanity's survival in heart. But I am not so black and white to think that other races are just throw-aways. When I help them, they are more likely see humanity as ally. Sure it doesn't always work, but chance is a better than no chance.

Modifié par Arppis, 21 août 2011 - 09:55 .

[Dave of Canada]

Arppis wrote...

Yep, that's why we need our allies. To help us save the planet, not "alienate" them and push them away for some quick element zero.

They don't really have a military to speak of, how would the asari help us save anything? Best to use their resources and ships, just... without the Asari.