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[Nashiktal]

Arppis wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I'm sure there is the way to deal with saving them without sacrificing "an army". As I said, I'm sure they have their way of helping fight the reapers.

You can't sacrifice them when there's no threat, so you'd essentially have to defend them to use them if I'm going to be sacrificing them. Unless you think they'll pack their bags and Thessia will be perfectly fine alone.

We'll see when Mass Effect 3 comes. It's all speculation. But suffice to say, I'd try to help them if I can, just like I'd try to help every race I am able to help. In order to get the largest possible army with wide range of expertese. Humanity propably doesn't even have much fleets left, so you might have to turn to alien races in this game.

Not knocking the  fact you want to help, but if you try to help everyone you might save no one, you know what I mean?

[Dave of Canada]

Second large fleet still doesn't really matter though when you're looking at how the Asari operate.

Copy-pasted from the wikia:

The asari military resembles a collection of tribal warrior bands with no national structure. Each community organizes its own unit as the locals see fit, and elect a leader to command them. 

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 août 2011 - 10:21 .

[Kidd]

This damn thread is cursed. It's made me question how I rate the worth of a human being in comparisons to tons of factors, and it seems to be losing out to lots of things. Yet still I find a human life most sacred and something that must never be sacrificed.

.... rationalising feelings and views with logic is a lot harder than expected =D

[Arppis]

Nashiktal wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I'm sure there is the way to deal with saving them without sacrificing "an army". As I said, I'm sure they have their way of helping fight the reapers.

You can't sacrifice them when there's no threat, so you'd essentially have to defend them to use them if I'm going to be sacrificing them. Unless you think they'll pack their bags and Thessia will be perfectly fine alone.

We'll see when Mass Effect 3 comes. It's all speculation. But suffice to say, I'd try to help them if I can, just like I'd try to help every race I am able to help. In order to get the largest possible army with wide range of expertese. Humanity propably doesn't even have much fleets left, so you might have to turn to alien races in this game.

Not knocking the  fact you want to help, but if you try to help everyone you might save no one, you know what I mean?

I know what you mean. And as I said, I'll help them if I can. If it means losing the war and helping, then not. As I said, let's see how things go in ME3.

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

This damn thread is cursed. It's
made me question how I rate the worth of a human being in comparisons to
tons of factors, and it seems to be losing out to lots of things. Yet
still I find a human life most sacred and something that must never be
sacrificed.

.... rationalising feelings and views with logic is a lot harder than expected =D

Life isn't "black and white"-simple!

Modifié par Arppis, 21 août 2011 - 10:23 .

[Arppis]

Luc0s wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

The asari is a big race but they seriously lack in militairy force and expertise. We would lose more power by saving the asari than we would gain.

The asari are the most advanced species in council space and they have the second largest fleet.

No they don't.


Also (from wiki):

"While fluid and mobile, asari can't stand up in a firestorm the way a krogan, turian, or human could. Since their units are small and typically lack heavy armor and support weapons, they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature."


It's obvious why the asari deserve no priority in saving.

Will be useful in sabotage missions on reaper infested areas.

[Nashiktal]

Luc0s wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

The asari is a big race but they seriously lack in militairy force and expertise. We would lose more power by saving the asari than we would gain.

The asari are the most advanced species in council space and they have the second largest fleet.

That was (annoyingly) before the battle of the citadel. Apparently both the Turians and the Asari were devastated after the attack.

This annoys me on so many levels, but I won't get into that.

During the year 2185 (Mass Effect 2), the dreadnought count is 39 turians, 20 asari, 16 salarians, and 8 humans.

Dreathnoughts alone say nothing.

The codex and mass effect -wiki says that the Allaince has the largest and most powerful fleet in the galaxy if you let the council die and the second-most powerful fleet in the galaxy if you saved the council (then turians will have the most powerful fleet).

Not to mention reapers are like the anti-dreadnought.

They are fast enough to force them into knife fight range, strong enough to blast cruisers with one shot, more manuevable than the normandy, and on top of that outnumber all of the dreads combined.

[Barquiel]

Luc0s wrote...

The codex and mass effect -wiki says that the Allaince has the largest and most powerful fleet in the galaxy if you let the council die and the second-most powerful fleet in the galaxy if you saved the council (then turians will have the most powerful fleet).

no - the codex gives us the dreadnought numbers...nothing more. And a former developer (Chris L'Etoile) has confirmed that the alliance has not the largest fleet, even if the council dies.

[SandTrout]

Arppis wrote...

Will be useful in sabotage missions on reaper infested areas.

So your answer to what aid the Asari can provide us is to give the Reapers the oppotunity to indoctrinate highly skilled covert operatives?

[Arppis]

SandTrout wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Will be useful in sabotage missions on reaper infested areas.

So your answer to what aid the Asari can provide us is to give the Reapers the oppotunity to indoctrinate highly skilled covert operatives?

You'd have to be smart about it. Not stupid.

[Dave of Canada]

SandTrout wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Will be useful in sabotage missions on reaper infested areas.

So your answer to what aid the Asari can provide us is to give the Reapers the oppotunity to indoctrinate highly skilled covert operatives?

I'm sure when they come back talking about how the Reapers are cool guys, they'd be totally legit.

[Barquiel]

Luc0s wrote...

 they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature."

They fought conventional wars...twice.

[SandTrout]

Arppis wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Will be useful in sabotage missions on reaper infested areas.

So your answer to what aid the Asari can provide us is to give the Reapers the oppotunity to indoctrinate highly skilled covert operatives?

You'd have to be smart about it. Not stupid.

I agree there, but history in ME points towards the Council making bad decissions.

[SandTrout]

Barquiel wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

 they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature."

They fought conventional wars...twice.

And were going to loose both without the aid of a 3rd party.

[Arppis]

SandTrout wrote...

Arppis wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Will be useful in sabotage missions on reaper infested areas.

So your answer to what aid the Asari can provide us is to give the Reapers the oppotunity to indoctrinate highly skilled covert operatives?

You'd have to be smart about it. Not stupid.

I agree there, but history in ME points towards the Council making bad decissions.

Heh, well let's see.

Modifié par Arppis, 21 août 2011 - 10:32 .

[LTiberious]

Luc0s wrote...

If Mass Effect was real I'm 100% every single human would answer with "no".

EVERY - SINGLE - ONE!

No-one in their rightful mind would put another species above their own in real-life. It just isn't natural!

Although innacurate, but still - absolutely right.


Btw - the thing you described is called "****sm". so.... Hi ****

[Barquiel]

Luc0s wrote...



You're wrong:

question...
"Regardless, the devastation of the Citadel Fleet meant the Alliance Navy was left as the most powerful single military force among the Citadel races. This fact alone meant humanity's place in galactic society was assured."

Chris L'Etoile answered...
I don't remember precisely what's said in Ascension, but this is not true. The Fifth Fleet was the largest concentration of military force near the Citadel. The combined fleets of the asari, turians, and salarians still outnumber the Alliance's forces by something like 11 to 1

http://masseffect.wi...k:Alliance_Navy

[Wulfram]

From a strategic point of view, Thessia must be about the highest priority planet in the galaxy, what with its vast reserves of eezo. It's like Saudi Arabia, but with blue alien space babes

As for the Asari as a whole, they have:
Probably the largest economy
The second largest fleet
A massive population made up entirely of biotics, including probably the most powerful out there. If the stereotypes are correct, a significant proportion of them will have a couple of hundred years of combat experience from their maiden days as mercenaries.

[Arppis]

You guys should just wait for the game. It will be the most canon after all. Books usualy aren't even that accurate on things if games say otherwise. Games = canon.

[SandTrout]

LTiberious wrote...

Although innacurate, but still - absolutely right.


Btw - the thing you described is called "****sm". so.... Hi ****

I'll assume that the filtered words are refering to a German poltical party that held power from about 1935-1945. Godwin invoked.

You are incorrect in that. That party advocated 'racial purity' which is a completely BS concept that is based on ignorance of how the natural process works. A German could still have a child with a jew or a gypsy and it would be just as much their child as if it had been with another German. This is not the case when dealing with separate species, which by definition cannot produce firtile offspring by pairing. Species that are not closely related cannot even produce offspring at all.

You cannot create a human child with an Asari, nor is the offspring any sort of hybrid between the Asari and the 'father'. The offspring is purely Asari, and nothing else.

Modifié par SandTrout, 21 août 2011 - 10:44 .

[Arppis]

Luc0s wrote...

Arppis wrote...

You guys should just wait for the game. It will be the most canon after all. Books usualy aren't even that accurate on things if games say otherwise. Games = canon.

All the Mass Effect books are canon.

In fact, if it so happens to be that a book says something else than your playthrough (for example Udina being the human councilor), than the book is canon and your decision is not.


This is because the books are written by the same writer as who writes the narrative of the games.

What goes in the games is canon ultimately. If books say something, it's not going to be canon. Because the games are the primary series. And no, I don't just mean the decissions.

Modifié par Arppis, 21 août 2011 - 10:44 .