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[Black_Arrow141]

Never.. I wouldn't save any other species over Humanity. If anything, i'd sacrifice the Asari or Quarians to help save the Galaxy/Earth.

[FERMi27]

This thread is stupid and involves juveniles that can't get laid.

[Barquiel]

SandTrout wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

 they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature."

They fought conventional wars...twice.

And were going to loose both without the aid of a 3rd party.

They lost because krogan and rachni have an extremely rapid breeding cycle.

"The krogan sustained massive casualties, but their incredible birth rate kept their population steadily increasing."

[ArMedSuRViVoR]

A home, if destroyed, is replacable. We can replace homes. We can replace cities. We can replace entire nations. But we CANNOT replace a species.

Would you save your own child over a random other person? Yes.
Would you save your own species over a random other species? Yes.

Very good point

[SandTrout]

Arppis wrote...

What goes in the games is canon ultimately. If books say something, it's not going to be canon. Because the games are the primary series. And no, I don't just mean the decissions.

The books have not contradicted any lore that has been presented in the games.

[LTiberious]

SandTrout wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Although innacurate, but still - absolutely right.


Btw - the thing you described is called "****sm". so.... Hi ****

I'll assume that the filtered words are refering to a German poltical party that held power from about 1935-1945. Godwin invoked.

You are incorrect in that. That party advocated 'racial purity' which is a completely BS concept that is based on ignorance of how the natural process works. A German could still have a child with a jew or a gypsy and it would be just as much their child as if it had been with another German. This is not the case when dealing with separate species, which by definition cannot produce firtile offspring by pairing. Species that are not closely related cannot even produce offspring at all.

You cannot create a human child with an Asari, not is the offspring any sort of hybrid between the Asari and the 'father'. The offspring is purely Asari, and nothing else.

Pardon me proud sir, but i was talking about an absolutely different thing. Its a problem of translation, due to me living in a country, in which ****sm is not Hitlerism/Faschism. But a one nation disliking another.

I was talking about people, as a whole being racists(****s in some sort.) due to always choosing "their" own above every other races.

This aplies to races/ethnic groups/proffesions etc.



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The innacuracy was that there are always psychos.

[Dave of Canada]

SandTrout wrote...

You cannot create a human child with an Asari, not is the offspring any sort of hybrid between the Asari and the 'father'. The offspring is purely Asari, and nothing else.

I can imagine Space Jerry Springer being quite entertaining.

"My wife, she's cheating on me! That child, that isn't even mine!"
"Would you be willing to take a DNA test?"
"Hell yeah, anything to prove that I don't need to pay no alimony."
*two days later*
"Mister Turian, you are not the father."
"I TOLD YOU, I *BEEP*ING TOLD YOU."
*Asari is crying*
"It's going to be alright, miss."
"I BET IT'S OUR PET DOG, MAYBE THE GOLDFISH? ISN'T IT?"

[SandTrout]

Barquiel wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

 they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature."

They fought conventional wars...twice.

And were going to loose both without the aid of a 3rd party.

They lost because krogan and rachni have an extremely rapid breeding cycle.

"The krogan sustained massive casualties, but their incredible birth rate kept their population steadily increasing."

Your point being...? Birth rate is a strategic advantage as much as advanced weapons and armor.

[ArMedSuRViVoR]

Think about it. Tons upon tons of species in the ME galaxy. If sacrificing the Asari can save the galaxy, then yes I would sacrifice them. I would choose humans too live anyhow.

[Barquiel]

SandTrout wrote...

Your point being...? Birth rate is a strategic advantage as much as advanced weapons and armor.

The rachni war lasted nearly a century. We can't win a nearly decade/century-long war against the reapers (quick victory or we lose...).

-> birth rates are irrelevant in a fight against the reapers

Modifié par Barquiel, 21 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[Arppis]

It'd propably be more accurate to see humans begging for other races to save them. They are the ones in biggest of trouble.

[SandTrout]

LTiberious wrote...

Pardon me proud sir, but i was talking about an absolutely different thing. Its a problem of translation, due to me living in a country, in which ****sm is not Hitlerism/Faschism. But a one nation disliking another.

I was talking about people, as a whole being racists(****s in some sort.) due to always choosing "their" own above every other races.

Racism is the belief in one strain within a species being superior to another strain within that same species. We are not discussing that kind of BS. That term is used improperly because of the strong connotations it has and an unclear understanding of its deffinition. As for National Socialist, that term is too closely tied to the historical German reference in most western nations to be used as casually as you appear to be.

This aplies to races/ethnic groups/proffesions etc.



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The innacuracy was that there are always psychos.

The principal of excluding the 'Other' is a long standing, and possibly the most influential, part of socialization. The problems come into play when the reasons for differentiating are based on something that is incorrect, or it is done toward destructive ends.

[Nashiktal]

Don't forget Anderson stepping down and attacking cerberus, damaging them and the turians.

[Phaedon]

Over humanity? Hmm.

Well, to be honest, if there were the same chances of saving each race, but I could only save one, I would save the one with the largest number of civilians.

[ddv.rsa]

SpiffySquee wrote...

I don't see why the humans are any more deserving of being saved than the Asari. Should I save America over Europe? Should I save Texas over New York? I would try to save them both. If I could not, I would save which ever one I had the greatest chance of saving. If they had an equal chance, I would save which ever one had the greatest chance of rebuilding galactic civilization... which I think would be the Asari. Anyone who says I would save humans just because I'm a human (even if I say otherwise) is simply injecting their beliefs on my personality.

You should be loyal to your own. Since Shepard is a human that is where his/her loyalty should begin and end. If every alien species in the galaxy needs to be sacrificed to save humanity, imo Shepard should be willing to make that call.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 21 août 2011 - 11:03 .

[SandTrout]

Barquiel wrote...

The rachni war lasted nearly a century. We can't win a nearly decade/century-long war against the reapers (quick victory or we lose...).

-> birth rates are irrelevant in a fight against the reapers

This is wrong. A long war of attrition works in our favor, not the Reapers'. Every casualty that we inflict uppon their numbers cannot be replaced for 50k years, while we can produce more ships in a matter of months.

Granted, the Reapers' presence on Earth makes quick action to eject them an immediate priority. However, their removal from Earth does not necessarily indicate the end of the War.

[TobyHasEyes]

Luc0s wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

If Mass Effect was real I'm 100% every single human would answer with "no".

EVERY - SINGLE - ONE!

No-one in their rightful mind would put another species above their own in real-life. It just isn't natural!

Although innacurate, but still - absolutely right.


Btw - the thing you described is called "****sm". so.... Hi ****

No, what I describe is survival of the fittest. It's evolution. It's the "selfish gene" that is within all of us.

Seriously, don't flaunt outdated discredited versions of sociobiology, it lowers the discussion

[didymos1120]

SandTrout wrote...

 The books have not contradicted any lore that has been presented in the games.

Volus don't wear exosuits in Revelation.

[Arppis]

Luc0s wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Arppis wrote...

What goes in the games is canon ultimately. If books say something, it's not going to be canon. Because the games are the primary series. And no, I don't just mean the decissions.

The books have not contradicted any lore that has been presented in the games.

Except for Udina being councilor in the books while in our games Anderson could be the councilor.

But maybe ME3 will explain how Udina became councilor regardless of your decision in ME1?

Games > Books, always and forever. They are after all the source material. But yeah, might be that in ME3 Anderson isn't councilor anymore.

[SandTrout]

didymos1120 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

 The books have not contradicted any lore that has been presented in the games.

Volus don't wear exosuits in Revelation.

Really? Must have missed that.

[ddv.rsa]

Arppis wrote...

It'd propably be more accurate to see humans begging for other races to save them. They are the ones in biggest of trouble.

Earth is under attack, but so is Palaven. For all we know Sur'Kesh and Thessia as well.

[SandTrout]

Luc0s wrote...

Except for Udina being councilor in the books while in our games Anderson could be the councilor.

But maybe ME3 will explain how Udina became councilor regardless of your decision in ME1?

I meant lore to be understood as different than our choices. Stuff like Quarians having weak immune systems.

Modifié par SandTrout, 21 août 2011 - 11:03 .