ExactlyLotion Soronnar wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Well, if the asari race (as in, every single last one of them) agreed to let me bang whoever I wanted when I wanted, I might consider saving the asari.
If I save humantiy, I could get all the babes I want. Who needs the squidheads?
jbblue05 wrote...
ExactlyLotion Soronnar wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Well, if the asari race (as in, every single last one of them) agreed to let me bang whoever I wanted when I wanted, I might consider saving the asari.
If I save humantiy, I could get all the babes I want. Who needs the squidheads?
melding is a lie a complete delusion no different than taking red sand
I agree with E. Honda is God LikeHiddenKING wrote...
E. Honda is boss!
Strugz wrote...
Anybody who chooses aliens over humans for survival needs to get their act together. I don't care if your LI is a alien , love is a emotion caused by hormones and the purpose of it is to create HUMAN children , love makes our species survive.
Weskerr wrote...
Warlocomotf wrote...
Weskerr wrote...
You are misunderstanding me. You think I'm claiming that one person's self-interests are always in competition with another's self-interests. I did not claim this. In fact, you're agreeing with what I did say.
Ahh, I get what you meant now. In that case you ignored the question posed to you. If you have compelling evidence that the Asari is open and welcoming to new species- than what compelling evidence do you have to argue that the Asari wish to dominate or alike?
Or; what reason do you have to believe that the Asari's self interests are a bad thing for the galactic community?
Well I'll answer the second question first. I don't believe that self-interest is inherantly bad. I believe that self-interest is just a fact of human nature. Based on this belief, I think any action one takes is based on self-interest:
If the Asari want to cooperate with other species, it's because (they think) it best serves their self-interests. They may think that waring with the other species to gain dominance over them is too risky and too costly, or they may think that it would be impossible to win. If they lost, then they would have gained nothing and would probably be in a worse position than before they made war. Being at peace best serves their interests.
To answer your first question, I believe that it is naive to think that neither the Asari, nor the Turians, nor the Salarians, nor the Humans want dominance over anyone else. I think they all wish to have control and the upper hand, but they think that being peaceful with one another is better than waring with one another because the former better serves their self-interests than the latter. In this case, peace has less risk involved than war. They believe that the benefits that come with peace outweigh the possible benefits that come with winning a risky, unpredicatable war. Even if everyone chooses peace over war, you can count on each species secretly developing technologies that give them an edge over their counterparts.
What we know for certain is that the Asari understand that war is a reality. If they didn't understand this, then they would not have a military. Their military exists to protect and promote their self-interests just like the other species' militaries exist to protect and promote their own. Self-interest guarantees that war will always exist. If altruism and selflessness were a fact of human nature, then there would never be war.
Warlocomotf wrote...
However the Asari had a far superior army when the Salarians found the citadel.
Modifié par Arppis, 21 août 2011 - 06:59 .
Warlocomotf wrote...
However the Asari had a far superior army when the Salarians found the citadel. The Asari embraced the Salarians and treated them as equals. There is nothing here that implies that the Asari even for a moment sought dominance.
If the Asari wanted dominance, they would have imposed it when the first 'alien species' joined the Citadel- especially if that speciesis far weaker than their own (such as was the case).
This is also part of why I'd rather see an Asari government than a strictly Human government. I don't believe humanity would have done the same in that place.
I think that my problem with that argument is that it is unlikely to convince the other people of the merit of saving humanity.if it's a choice between dooming any one of them to save humanity? Saving humanity.
AlexMBrennan wrote...
I think that my problem with that argument is that it is unlikely to convince the other people of the merit of saving humanity.if it's a choice between dooming any one of them to save humanity? Saving humanity.
On the other hand, there are various arguments that could be made for saving the asari - there would be more time to systematically collect knowledge that might otherwise be lost after physical records are destroyed (asari can live for more than a millennium), they are all biotics - possibly without implants - (e.g. for lifting/moving heavy items without construction vehicles), longer productive lives, possibly faster reproduction (no males needed), etc
[Which is, of course, because the asari were created as a species virtually identical to humans with a bunch of useful traits - slow ageing and Force affinity]
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Arppis wrote...
If I'd save humanity, I'd propably get just a pat on the back.
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But it's still a bit of a wonder why people talk about this stuff still. Humans need allies, Asari are allies. Asari got ships (not matter what someone claims, they do and advanced ones none other). You need also troops, they got commandos. System Alliance fights a bit like commando unit does, attacking supply lines and such, because they really don't have manpowa either.
So, show a bit more love and don't let reapers have more husks and resources from asari worlds, that just helps them out!
Modifié par Luc0s, 21 août 2011 - 07:58 .
Luc0s wrote...
Asari are basically the worst choice for war, the codex/wiki says so.
Humans, turians, krogan and geth are all better options than the asari. The asari's militairy has little numbers, there are only a hand-full asari commando's and the asari are generally not suited for warfare. You'd be better off with the turians, krogan or geth.
If you want troops, save the turians or humans first (they both have the largest fleet and the most sophisticated militairy).
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RAF1940 wrote...
The krogan are kind of unified (if you save Wrex), but I still don't see them joining together to fight a threat.
Luc0s wrote...
RAF1940 wrote...
The krogan are kind of unified (if you save Wrex), but I still don't see them joining together to fight a threat.
O really? Have you forgotten what the krogan lifestyle is all about?
Krogans LIVE for fighting and/or warfare! It's what they do. I think 99 out of 100 krogans would be honered and exited to join humanity in taking back planet earth. They'd finally be able to show what they're made of against the strongest opponent the galaxy has ever seen so far!
To rally the Krogan, all you'd have to do is go to Tuchanka, and yell: "Hey, do you guys want to join us in kicking the ass of the biggest scumbags the galaxy has ever seen?"
Garanteed that almost all krogan would go like: "HELL YES! WE ARE KROGAN! We shall show those reapers who are the strongest warriors of the galaxy!"
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RAF1940 wrote...
Yes, but I would rather have a sophisticated, unified force than multiple bands of bloodthirsty krogan. They could be difficult to control.
Modifié par Luc0s, 21 août 2011 - 08:13 .
Note the original topic. This is not about loving/hating the Asari, it is about some people placing Asari interests ahead of Human interests. I have nothing against using the Asari to promote human interests. I have a problem with using humans to promote Asari interests counter to our own interests.Arppis wrote...
EDIT:
But it's still a bit of a wonder why people talk about this stuff still. Humans need allies, Asari are allies. Asari got ships (not matter what someone claims, they do and advanced ones none other). You need also troops, they got commandos. System Alliance fights a bit like commando unit does, attacking supply lines and such, because they really don't have manpowa either.
Melrache wrote...
No, Asari are boring and not even that attractive. They're so overdone, that I'd rather hump a krogan.
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