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[Sisterofshane]

Aaleel wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The alliance lost Eight, eight ships total, that's counting any ships lost helping the DA.  I saw more ships than that destroyed just in the cutscenes, not even counting all the wreakage the Normandy was flying through.  I find it far fetched to believe only Alliance ships were involved in the final fight.

I'm pretty sure that you didn't see that many ships destroyed in the cutscenes. Another forumite posted a count of Alliance ships lost in the BotC, which came out to 5-6, I believe, with another couple lost if you save the DA.

I just got done making a fan vid about sacrifice lol, trust me.  You lose at least 6 just saving the DA alone.  Also at the end of the saving the DA cutscene, all Geth ships seem to be in flames, there is no longer a battle raging.

Edit: But the whole scene is just ridiculous lol.  The DA with a crew of 10,000 I thought it had 10,000 passengers, but that's just the crew.  That ship was humongous, I doubt that situation would have even arised unless Soveriegn was attacking it directly.  That ship and the citadel fleet should have easily punched a hole through the geth ships.

If you watch the Cutscene very carefully (regarding the destruction of the DA, not if you choose to save it), you can see that there are massive amounts of geth Ships surrounding it, just pummeling it from all sides.

And there are only 10 total ships that you can personally witness being destroyed should you abandon the Ascension - Five turian ships, the Destiny Ascension, and four Alliance ships (during the direct battle with Sovereign).

If you choose to save the DA, the total number of  destroyed ships only goes up to 14, as there are only five ships that are lost during that battle.

Mind you, this isn't necessarily canon, but rather only the number of ships that I personally witnessed getting destroyed.

[Ballz Noble]

Can't I just blow up another Batarian world?

[Barquiel]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...

But can you resist Liara's puppy dog eyes if she asks you to save her homeworld?

Absolutely.

You're heartless

[SandTrout]

Barquiel wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...

But can you resist Liara's puppy dog eyes if she asks you to save her homeworld?

Absolutely.

You're heartless

Beats brainless ,

[Wulfram]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No you haven't. Those geth are preoccupied by the rest of the Council fleet. They aren't coming after you in any appreciable numbers.

Well then, Alliance aid should free up some of the Council fleet to help us.  Either the Council fleet is still an effective fighting force in which case it's silly not to link up with them while we're waiting for the Citadel to open up, or it's not and we need to do something to stop the Geth attacking our rear.

Furthermore if this were a factor it would have been brought up when you made the choice.

It doesn't need to be brought up to be obvious.  The Geth are our enemy

Stop making **** up.

Stop requiring us to turn off our brains

[Boiny Bunny]

Video:

Information regarding decision to save the council

Squadmate 1: Are you sure about this Shepard? Human casualties will be very high if you send your fleet in now [to save the DA].

Squadmate 2: This is bigger than humanity! Sovereign's a threat to every organic species in the galaxy!

Squadmate 1: The council must be sacrificed for the greater good. Do not waste your reinforcements, hold them back until the citadel arms open up! Save the human fleet to attack Sovereign!

Joker: What's the order commander?

Shepard [if save]: Opening the relays now Joker - we have to save the Ascention, no matter what the cost.

That is all the information that is given.

If you save the council:

* You will lose a few ships you could be using to attack Sovereign. This may result in giving Sovereign enough time to open the relays and doom the galaxy.

If you don't save the council:

* You don't lose those few extra ships, and use them all to attack Sovereign. This may result in Sovereign having less time to open the relay.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Roxy12 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

sorry Liara my Shepard loves you but...the asari are dying.

same

But can you resist Liara's puppy dog eyes if she asks you to save her homeworld? I doubt it

That might actually spur me on.

[Krunjar]

The logic behind saving the DA is that shepard was thinking beyond the battle right in front of his face. If you think about it as pureley a matter of stopping sovereign then yes its stupid. But shephard also knew that even if sovereign was defeated the rest of the reapers are still out there. And while playing I have often thaught that the goal of a paragon shephard is to unite the galaxy against the reapers. Whearas a renagarde one just works to make humanity stronger to take em down ourselves. From the point of view of uniting the galaxy allowing the council to be killed was definately a bad choice.

[Tommy6860]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Video:

Information regarding decision to save the council

Squadmate 1: Are you sure about this Shepard? Human casualties will be very high if you send your fleet in now [to save the DA].

Squadmate 2: This is bigger than humanity! Sovereign's a threat to every organic species in the galaxy!

Squadmate 1: The council must be sacrificed for the greater good. Do not waste your reinforcements, hold them back until the citadel arms open up! Save the human fleet to attack Sovereign!

Joker: What's the order commander?

Shepard [if save]: Opening the relays now Joker - we have to save the Ascention, no matter what the cost.

That is all the information that is given.

If you save the council:

* You will lose a few ships you could be using to attack Sovereign. This may result in giving Sovereign enough time to open the relays and doom the galaxy.

If you don't save the council:

* You don't lose those few extra ships, and use them all to attack Sovereign. This may result in Sovereign having less time to open the relay.

Saying "this may"  suggests a contingent situation, yet disappointingly, it matters not. I found that part of ME a little bothersome as it suggested that the choice I make could mean huge things. Despite keeping or losing  those ships, the last two choices have no other impact when it comes to Sovereign's
fate or to time constraints, Sovereign's destruction and what happens is defined in either scenario. It would have at least been more exciting or challenging maybe, to see more time alotted for Sovereign to open the relay while losing
ships. The only difference is in the ending scene before the credits roll. *sigh* That would have been an epic choice had it actually reflected that in the game.

[rikimeru420]

let the tenticle heads burn imo!!!

[RAF1940]

SandTrout wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...

But can you resist Liara's puppy dog eyes if she asks you to save her homeworld?

Absolutely.

You're heartless

Beats brainless ,

Yep.

[marshalleck]

Roxy12 wrote...
But can you resist Liara's puppy dog eyes if she asks you to save her homeworld? I doubt it

Easily. You pluck them out.

[RAF1940]

marshalleck wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...
But can you resist Liara's puppy dog eyes if she asks you to save her homeworld? I doubt it

Easily. You pluck them out.

:innocent:

[KenKenpachi]

RAF1940 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...
But can you resist Liara's puppy dog eyes if she asks you to save her homeworld? I doubt it

Easily. You pluck them out.

:innocent:

hehehehe *hides knife and Asari eyes behind back*

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

It also glosses over the fact that by ignoring the Geth you leave them able to shot you in the back...

No you haven't. Those geth are preoccupied by the rest of the Council fleet. They aren't coming after you in any appreciable numbers.

Furthermore if this were a factor it would have been brought up when you made the choice.

Stop making **** up.

It wasn't brought up because BioWare didn't want to 'punish' one decision over the other. They chose not to have the Geth attacking the Alliance fleet (Which would make sense since they're the ones attacking Sovvy) Just like they had the number of Allianc ship destroyed saving the DS not matter in the grand scheme of stopping him.

Both decisions have logic gaps because both decisions had to work. Its the same deal when rallying the different species of the galaxy behind Shepard. Logically a Shepard that let the DS die and had humanity stage a coup taking over the Citadel would never have any way of convincing people to put their lives on the line to save his homeworld.... but Bioware will do things to allow Renegade players to still win and still gather troops even though logically it would never happen because that Shepard wants a human empire and everyone else can see that.

If you don't like the Paragon decision then that's your hang up, be a Renegade and deal with it.

[Chuvvy]

Nope.

[Kakistos_]

I like the Asari. They're cool. Humans ****** me off on a daily basis. Not much of a head-scratcher really. Besides there are a few humans I would like taken care of. Nassana Dantius was the only Asari I had a beef with and Thane finished her for me.

[Massadonious1]

I'll sacrifice these forums to save the Asari.

[Nashiktal]

Its not that I don't like the asari, but as people keep seeming to ignroe they are in the best position to take any sort of sacrifice.

Not only are they amongst the most numerous of the non-horde species, but they have a longer period of time where they can have children than most species aside from krogan, they live the longest, have the oldest (and by extension most populous) colonies, and theoretically they could repopulate their entire race from extinction from a single living asari.

Hell taking a cynic view of things, you are freeing up resources for the rest of the asari if they lose some population. If humanity even loses earth during this world, they are practically doomed. If the asari lose thessia, its just a tragedy that will give the asari extra sympathy.

[2Hard2C]

No, I wouldn't.

But the asari would be one of the last species I would sacrifice, if not the last.

[Alock1a]

Kakistos_ wrote...

I like the Asari. They're cool. Humans ****** me off on a daily basis. Not much of a head-scratcher really. Besides there are a few humans I would like taken care of. Nassana Dantius was the only Asari I had a beef with and Thane finished her for me.

This. 

If it weren't for Nassana Dantius I could say that I never met an Asari that I didn't like.

[Ihatebadgames]

Yes I would.I really don't like that many people so it's a easy choice.

[Sisterofshane]

Alock1a wrote...

Kakistos_ wrote...

I like the Asari. They're cool. Humans ****** me off on a daily basis. Not much of a head-scratcher really. Besides there are a few humans I would like taken care of. Nassana Dantius was the only Asari I had a beef with and Thane finished her for me.

This. 

If it weren't for Nassana Dantius I could say that I never met an Asari that I didn't like.

What about Nyxeris (um, betray's Liara by working for the shadow broker), or Elytenia ( the Asari who forces the Feros colonists into signing a shady medical agreement mostly because of her hatred for humans)?  How about the girl in the Eclipse Mercs that murdered that Volus and flat out LIES to you about it?  Let alone all of those Eclipse mercenaries working for shady people (can we say the one that kills Niket is such a likeable character compared to Nassana Dantius?).  How many of us actually trust Aria farther then we could throw her?  Or the spectre that tries to kill Liara in LotSB?

This is just a random population sampling -- there are just as many bad asari as there are humans, possibly more because their population outnumbers our tenfold.  They aren't any better or worse then humanity.