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SpiffySquee wrote...

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I don't see why the humans are any more deserving of being saved than the Asari. Should I save America over Europe? Should I save Texas over New York? I would try to save them both. If I could not, I would save which ever one I had the greatest chance of saving. If they had an equal chance, I would save which ever one had the greatest chance of rebuilding galactic civilization... which I think would be the Asari. Anyone who says I would save humans just because I'm a human (even if I say otherwise) is simply injecting their beliefs on my personality.


It's not really about deserving to be saved.  To put it in that sense makes it sound like there are criterion upon which to judge all the races, which there are not (unless you happen to be a Reaper...)

But ask an Asari if she would sacrifice the last of her species for only the expressed purpose of saving another species, even if her own has a chance to survive by neglecting the other.

If it came down to one simple choice - sacrifice Humanity or another species (both equally capable of rebuilding after the war), which one would you (as a human) pick?

I think of it kind of like what Ash said in ME1 -- if you ran into a bear, as much as you love him, you would tell your dog to sic it and run for your life.  It doesn't quite apply equally, but the chance to continue your own way of life seems (to me) to be a pretty important reason to want to save your own species.


odd... because if my cat was trapped in a burning house, I would risk my life to save it. If a bear were chasing my I most certainly would not send a dog I loved to hold if off. That statement is one of the reason I really do not like her. We would both run, or we would both fight. I would never sacrifice something I loved and cared about just to save my own skin.

As for if everything was completely equal? Thankfully that is never the case. One race would have a greater chance of survival than the other, and I would chose that one. If in the strange event that everything was completely  equal, I would save which ever race had more people. That way I could say I save the most lives I could.



Eh, that's why I said it doesn't really apply, but it's about the same concept.

How about this analogy for you then -- your house is burning down.  You have only enough time to save your cat, or your child -- now which one would you save?  I think it can be argued that you can love both equally, but which one do you value more when it comes to sacrificing one over the other?

And I agree that there would never really be such a hypothetical situation as to just coming down to straight sacrificing a species for the other.  But in this case, it would need context -- context that only the game will provide.  Until then we can only speculate as to the worth of these races in the present battle against the Reapers and the future.

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Xilizhra wrote...

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Would you save your own child over a random other person? Yes.
Would you save your own species over a random other species? Yes.

These directly contradict. My child is an asari. What now?


You would probably wan't to save your own child and her mother. But how does that relate to the rest of the asari race? It doesn't.

Next to your asari daughter and wife, I'm 100% you would (should) save humanity over the asari.

Isn't this supposed to be all-or-nothing? Save all asari and no humans or all humans and no asari?


To be honest, I'm not sure. It's not really feasible to have literally every member of a race wiped out, while another remains totally safe (especially two that are as widespread and intertwined and the asari and humanity).

But, for the purpose of this thread, yes, it's all-or-nothing.

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Screw the Asari....

Oh, but I already do.

Then what further use are they?

BAM!!!!

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Would you save your own child over a random other person? Yes.
Would you save your own species over a random other species? Yes.

These directly contradict. My child is an asari. What now?


You would probably wan't to save your own child and her mother. But how does that relate to the rest of the asari race? It doesn't.

Next to your asari daughter and wife, I'm 100% you would (should) save humanity over the asari.

Isn't this supposed to be all-or-nothing? Save all asari and no humans or all humans and no asari?


And what is this supposed to be like that? Would it be like that in real-life? Obviously not.

I understood this thread as in "if one species can live and the other species has to go extinct, which species would it be?"

The answer is 'humans' obviously. If your answer isn't 'humans' you're a goddamn traitor to your own race.

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Hell NO

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Am I the only human who survives?  In that case, hell yes.

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Sisterofshane wrote...

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I don't see why the humans are any more deserving of being saved than the Asari. Should I save America over Europe? Should I save Texas over New York? I would try to save them both. If I could not, I would save which ever one I had the greatest chance of saving. If they had an equal chance, I would save which ever one had the greatest chance of rebuilding galactic civilization... which I think would be the Asari. Anyone who says I would save humans just because I'm a human (even if I say otherwise) is simply injecting their beliefs on my personality.


It's not really about deserving to be saved.  To put it in that sense makes it sound like there are criterion upon which to judge all the races, which there are not (unless you happen to be a Reaper...)

But ask an Asari if she would sacrifice the last of her species for only the expressed purpose of saving another species, even if her own has a chance to survive by neglecting the other.

If it came down to one simple choice - sacrifice Humanity or another species (both equally capable of rebuilding after the war), which one would you (as a human) pick?

I think of it kind of like what Ash said in ME1 -- if you ran into a bear, as much as you love him, you would tell your dog to sic it and run for your life.  It doesn't quite apply equally, but the chance to continue your own way of life seems (to me) to be a pretty important reason to want to save your own species.


odd... because if my cat was trapped in a burning house, I would risk my life to save it. If a bear were chasing my I most certainly would not send a dog I loved to hold if off. That statement is one of the reason I really do not like her. We would both run, or we would both fight. I would never sacrifice something I loved and cared about just to save my own skin.

As for if everything was completely equal? Thankfully that is never the case. One race would have a greater chance of survival than the other, and I would chose that one. If in the strange event that everything was completely  equal, I would save which ever race had more people. That way I could say I save the most lives I could.



Eh, that's why I said it doesn't really apply, but it's about the same concept.

How about this analogy for you then -- your house is burning down.  You have only enough time to save your cat, or your child -- now which one would you save?  I think it can be argued that you can love both equally, but which one do you value more when it comes to sacrificing one over the other?

And I agree that there would never really be such a hypothetical situation as to just coming down to straight sacrificing a species for the other.  But in this case, it would need context -- context that only the game will provide.  Until then we can only speculate as to the worth of these races in the present battle against the Reapers and the future.




Interesting scenario, but it doesn't really work.

There is a difference between a pet and another advanced species.

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And what is this supposed to be like that? Would it be like that in real-life? Obviously not.

I understood this thread as in "if one species can live and the other species has to go extinct, which species would it be?"

The answer is 'humans' obviously. If your answer isn't 'humans' you're a goddamn traitor to your own race.

'Kay.

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Jeth Prime wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...

Screw the Asari....

Oh, but I already do.

Then what further use are they?

BAM!!!!

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Jeth Prime wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...

Screw the Asari....

Oh, but I already do.

Then what further use are they?

BAM!!!!


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Meh... I would save the Asari over humanity. I like the Asari more than I like humans so go figure.

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Ferris95 wrote...

  • Advanced biotics
  • Easy breeding
  • Long life spans
  • Diplomatic outlook
  • Advanced technology
Take your pick. :happy:


Advanced biotics - only useful to asari

Easy breeding - only useful to asari since it produces more asari

Long life spans - only useful to asari

Diplomatic outlook - boring :P

Advanced technology - only useful to asari, since if they shared everyone would have the same technology.

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You totally miss the point.

America v.s Europe is a bad analogy to begin with. This is about the survival of your species!

A home, if destroyed, is replacable. We can replace homes. We can replace cities. We can replace entire nations. But we CANNOT replace a species.

Would you save your own child over a random other person? Yes.
Would you save your own species over a random other species? Yes.

To say you wouldn't answer "yes" to both questions is simply a lie. I'm 100% sure the answer is "yes" to the first question and I'm 100% sure the answer would be "yes" to the second question if Mass Effect was real.


Looking out for your own species =/= selfish you idiot (sorry, but if you honestly think looking out for my own species is selfish than you deserve to be called an idiot).

In fact, looking out for your own species is far from selfish. Again: If Commander Shepard doesn't look out for humanity, who else would?


The ONLY exception to the rule is when you KNOW your own species has no chance to survive but another species MIGHT survive. ONLY THEN I'd say it's reasonable to sacrifice what's left of humanity to save the other species.


And again, you assume anyone who does not agree with you is lying. Would I save my child over a random person? Yes. Because I have a very strong bond with my child. You do not have the same bond with an entire race of people. I don't know the entire human race so I cannot have that same type of bond.

The America Europe is a very good analogy for me because I see it as the same. What is the difference between an American and a European? Different physical features, and a different style of life. What is the difference between a human and an Asari? Different physical features, and a different style of life. So now it comes down to... I was born here and they were not. that is a very selfish way to look at the universe.

self·ish
adjective
1.devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.

Choosing your own race over another simply because it affects you the most is the very definition of selfish. You are ignoring the needs and concerns of other species simply because you feel stronger attachment to humans. Saving my child over a random person is also selfish becasue I am only thinking about myself and what is important to me. perhaps you should look up the definition of a word before calling people idiots for using them correctly. 

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Luc0s wrote...

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Look at this way, guys:

Would any asari save humanity?


I think so, if going by ME lore.


RAF1940's question was incomplete. Please answer this question:

Would any asari save humanity at the cost of the asari race?


Your attempt at rephrasing a question to an impossibility makes yours even more incomplete. Since there are no real Asari (that we know about anyway), we don't know what their input would be. Hence why I said, "if going by ME lore..". I stick with the lore for now, since that's all I can go by.
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RAF1940 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

  • Advanced biotics
  • Easy breeding
  • Long life spans
  • Diplomatic outlook
  • Advanced technology
Take your pick. :happy:


Advanced biotics - only useful to asari

Easy breeding - only useful to asari since it produces more asari

Long life spans - only useful to asari

Diplomatic outlook - boring :P

Advanced technology - only useful to asari, since if they shared everyone would have the same technology.


Oh I know it's only useful for asari, but I figure their pretty much the best race in the Mass Effect 'verse.

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self·ishadjective
1.[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)">devoted to or caring only for oneself]with[/color] one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.

Choosing your own race over another simply because it affects you the most is the very definition of selfish. You are ignoring the needs and concerns of other species simply because you feel stronger attachment to humans. Saving my child over a random person is also selfish becasue I am only thinking about myself and what is important to me. perhaps you should look up the definition of a word before calling people idiots for using them correctly. 



The rest of humanity isn't my property or something, I don't see how chosing to save one over the other is selfish.

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Depends on the circumstances.

Its just a tad bit more complicated than a yes or no answer.

If saving the Asari would allow a more decisive strike against the Reapers, support a larger fleet that provide a greater chance in the war etc. Then yeah, probably a yes.

What good is saving humanity if the Reapers are going to march in and wipe us out anyway?

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Ferris95 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

  • Advanced biotics
  • Easy breeding
  • Long life spans
  • Diplomatic outlook
  • Advanced technology
Take your pick. :happy:


Advanced biotics - only useful to asari

Easy breeding - only useful to asari since it produces more asari

Long life spans - only useful to asari

Diplomatic outlook - boring :P

Advanced technology - only useful to asari, since if they shared everyone would have the same technology.


Oh I know it's only useful for asari, but I figure their pretty much the best race in the Mass Effect 'verse.


I think it's the salarians. They're awesome (except for the extremely short lifespan).

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Icinix wrote...

Depends on the circumstances.

Its just a tad bit more complicated than a yes or no answer.

If saving the Asari would allow a more decisive strike against the Reapers, support a larger fleet that provide a greater chance in the war etc. Then yeah, probably a yes.

What good is saving humanity if the Reapers are going to march in and wipe us out anyway?


Not really any specifics. Just asari or humans. Thessia or Earth, if you like.

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Eh, that's why I said it doesn't really apply, but it's about the same concept.

How about this analogy for you then -- your house is burning down.  You have only enough time to save your cat, or your child -- now which one would you save?  I think it can be argued that you can love both equally, but which one do you value more when it comes to sacrificing one over the other?

And I agree that there would never really be such a hypothetical situation as to just coming down to straight sacrificing a species for the other.  But in this case, it would need context -- context that only the game will provide.  Until then we can only speculate as to the worth of these races in the present battle against the Reapers and the future.


You are assuming that the simple fact that I was born here makes humans my child and Asari my cat. Why? Why not the other way around? What makes Humanity my child?

It also does not work because you are talking about a specific bond between 2 people. Love for a race is more abstract and cannot be looked at the same way. I love my child becasue I spend every day with that person and know that person in and out. The same cannot be said for every human. I don't know every human and culture so my love for the race as a whole is more abstract than my love for my child.

What if I was a spacer and grew up around aliens? I might have spent more time with Asari than humans. Would your analogy still work?

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RAF1940 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

  • Advanced biotics
  • Easy breeding
  • Long life spans
  • Diplomatic outlook
  • Advanced technology
Take your pick. :happy:


Advanced biotics - only useful to asari

Easy breeding - only useful to asari since it produces more asari

Long life spans - only useful to asari

Diplomatic outlook - boring :P

Advanced technology - only useful to asari, since if they shared everyone would have the same technology.


Oh I know it's only useful for asari, but I figure their pretty much the best race in the Mass Effect 'verse.


I think it's the salarians. They're awesome (except for the extremely short lifespan).


Short life is the problem, asari life very long. Would make it easier for the galaxy to restablize with them still running about.

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Let's see, while Babylonians, Romans, Etruscans etc., were fighting amongst themselves over various stupid things, the asari were discovering the Citadel and founding a galactic society that has existed more or less peacefully for almost three thousand years. Yeah, I'm more impressed with the asari than humanity.

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RAF1940 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Depends on the circumstances.

Its just a tad bit more complicated than a yes or no answer.

If saving the Asari would allow a more decisive strike against the Reapers, support a larger fleet that provide a greater chance in the war etc. Then yeah, probably a yes.

What good is saving humanity if the Reapers are going to march in and wipe us out anyway?


Not really any specifics. Just asari or humans. Thessia or Earth, if you like.


In that case, straight up, Earth.

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Ferris95 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

  • Advanced biotics
  • Easy breeding
  • Long life spans
  • Diplomatic outlook
  • Advanced technology
Take your pick. :happy:


Advanced biotics - only useful to asari

Easy breeding - only useful to asari since it produces more asari

Long life spans - only useful to asari

Diplomatic outlook - boring :P

Advanced technology - only useful to asari, since if they shared everyone would have the same technology.


Oh I know it's only useful for asari, but I figure their pretty much the best race in the Mass Effect 'verse.


I think it's the salarians. They're awesome (except for the extremely short lifespan).


Short life is the problem, asari life very long. Would make it easier for the galaxy to restablize with them still running about.


I've always wondered this: if salarians only live 40 years with 22nd century technology, how long did they live when they were "cave-salarians"?

10 years?

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Siansonea II wrote...

Let's see, while Babylonians, Romans, Etruscans etc., were fighting amongst themselves over various stupid things, the asari were discovering the Citadel and founding a galactic society that has existed more or less peacefully for almost three thousand years. Yeah, I'm more impressed with the asari than humanity.

And, while they were busy boning the rest of the galaxy, human's have been doing something about the reaper threat.