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[RAF1940]

bobdooly wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I think it's silly to be having heated arguments over something that is just not possible. Humans are like cockroaches, they are all over the galaxy and spreading at breakneck speed. Even if earth is lost, there's still many other planets humans inhabit. This whole debate is irrelevant. And yes, I would sacrifice Earth if saving Thessia was more likely to succeed.

Get your facts straight.

99% of the entire human race is stationed on planet earth. With planet earth gone, humanity is gone.

No planet earth = no humanity.

I dunno. Earth's population is only 8 billion or something in ME, isn't it (IIRC from the planet profile in the codex - please correct me someone if that's wrong).

There's no telling how many humans are on Omega, Illium, the Citadel, etc. Not to mention human colonies.

It's around 11 billion now (I think). HUman colonies would not have any firepower to remain independent and would be taken over and vassalized/enslaved, or be forced to flee and go quarian.

Yep. 11.5 billion.

[RAF1940]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

And Thessia contains a great portion of the galaxy's eezo, no? If the Reapers wipe out the Asari, and then the Humans defeat the Reapers, all that precious eezo will be ours. Ours! It will be like the United State's dream of controlling all the oil in the Middle East.

Make it happen, my colleagues. 

Thessia delenda est

Please don't make this political.

*re-reads your post and chuckles*

[Sunnie]

But what does that have to do with humans outside of the Earth's solar system? Losing earth =/= human extinction.

[RAF1940]

Luc0s wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I think it's silly to be having heated arguments over something that is just not possible. Humans are like cockroaches, they are all over the galaxy and spreading at breakneck speed. Even if earth is lost, there's still many other planets humans inhabit. This whole debate is irrelevant. And yes, I would sacrifice Earth if saving Thessia was more likely to succeed.

Get your facts straight.

99% of the entire human race is stationed on planet earth. With planet earth gone, humanity is gone.

No planet earth = no humanity.

I dunno. Earth's population is only 8 billion or something in ME, isn't it (IIRC from the planet profile in the codex - please correct me someone if that's wrong).

There's no telling how many humans are on Omega, Illium, the Citadel, etc. Not to mention human colonies.

Earth has a population of 11.4 billion humans.

Terra Nova, THE BIGGEST human colony out there, has only 4.4 million humans.

The second-biggest human colony, Eden Prime, has only 3.4 million humans.

Terra Nova and Eden Prime are the only 2 bigger colonies of humanity. The rest of the human colonies have a population of less than 1 million.


Trust me, 99% of humanity is still stationed on earth. Me and some other guys here on BSN already calculated that earlier.

But did you factor in other hub worlds? Granted Illium's population is 85 million, so that's not a large number.

By the way, you don't have to "American-ize" your answer and use a period as the decimal.

Commas rock!

[SpiffySquee]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Actually, yes, that is exactly the way I see it.

My posterity  can only exist through humanity alone.  I can't further my race through the Asari ( as the children are born Asari) nor can I expect my ideals and culture to be upheld through them.  The loss of humanity would be the loss of my way of life, which I happen to value much more highly then theirs.  Not that I wish for any second that they should be obliterated -- they are a unique culture of their own.  But I want my children, my grandchildren, and so down the line, to inherit from me the best of my world.  It's not going to happen if I decide that another race is more important then my own.

And even as a spacer, you are born of and raised by parents of the human race and culture.  They impart much more then genetics to you.

So I will twist my hypothetical one more time -- your house is burning down.  You have a chance to save your best friend ( of the same gender) or your potential mate (mother/father of your future children).  If you save your friend (whom you love just as much as your mate), then  you will never have another opportunity to have children and procreate, and pass down your wisdom and love and advice to them -- you will never see them grow or achieve, never see them have children of their own.  Would you take more solace in knowing that your friend could do the same things?

If  wanting to save my future makes me selfish, then so be it.

First, I'm not judging anyone for wanting to save their future, or being selfish in that way. second, as I said, love for a single person is not the same as love for a race.

And it still does not work becasue I can have an Asari child and teach them all about my culture, ideas, and dreams. the only thing I could not pass on would be my DNA and I don't think that is as important as everyone makes it out to be. (especially mine)  Besides, I simply do not think that the human culture is any more or less important than the Arari culture. thus, if they were both burning in a house I would save which ever one I could get to first. The problem is people keep assuming that just because I was born here, I should value my own culture and values over another. I do not. I think they are equally important.

[Twilight_Princess]

No but only because they are my least favourite species, however mankind is screwed if my Shepard has too choose between them and a fun species. 

 
Volus: Don’t let our planet die Shepard we’re too cute and round to die!

Shepard: It’s true you are cute and round...I dunno humanity might be a bit pissy if I don’t-

Volus: Push me!

Shepard: k *push*

(Volus rolls across the floor)

 Shepard: Ha! Ok you guys can live

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 21 août 2011 - 02:47 .

[Sunnie]

Luc0s wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

I think it's silly to be having heated arguments over something that is just not possible. Humans are like cockroaches, they are all over the galaxy and spreading at breakneck speed. Even if earth is lost, there's still many other planets humans inhabit. This whole debate is irrelevant. And yes, I would sacrifice Earth if saving Thessia was more likely to succeed.

Get your facts straight.

99% of the entire human race is stationed on planet earth. With planet earth gone, humanity is gone.

No planet eart = no humanity.

lol.. there are no "facts". its a fictional universe where humanity is all over the galaxy. There's been no "facts" presented within this world to indicate that the loss of Earth alone woulf mean the extinction of humans. You, my friend, need to stop mixing reality with fantasy.

It's a FACT that IN MASS EFFECT, 99% of the human race is stationed on earth.

This is a fact within the mass effect universe, and this will remain a fact until the writers decide to retcon it.

Alright there tough guy, you've been throwing your testosterone all over the thread... provide proof.

[bobdooly]

Sunnie22 wrote...

But what does that have to do with humans outside of the Earth's solar system? Losing earth =/= human extinction.

98% of humans are on Earth. If they die, less than 15 million are left. They will then be vasslaized/enslaved or go quarian to escape.

Modifié par bobdooly, 21 août 2011 - 02:48 .

[Agamo45]

Shepard would have to be a complete traitor to make a decision like that. As well as deranged. No sane person would choose to save another species over their own. The Council races would sacrifice humanity in the blink if an eye if it meant their own survival. That's how it works.

[RAF1940]

Sunnie22 wrote...
lol.. there are no "facts".

Yes, there are. Anything BioWare says about the universe is a fact. Anything you read in the codex is fact.

[bobdooly]

crap didn't mean to post this

Modifié par bobdooly, 21 août 2011 - 02:49 .

[RAF1940]

bobdooly wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

But what does that have to do with humans outside of the Earth's solar system? Losing earth =/= human extinction.

98% of humans are on Earth. If they die, less than 15 million are left. They will then be vasslaized/enslaved or go quarian to escape.

Wow. I really though the galaxy had more than 11.5-12 billion humans.

Does this make humanity's power all that more impressive? Yes, it does.

[RAF1940]

Luc0s wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

By the way, you don't have to "American-ize" your answer and use a period as the decimal.

Commas rock!

Heh, you're right. Why the hell do we Europeans always adapt to the Americans on the internet? If they only knew how much a pain in the ass it is to convert centimeters to inches every time we're talking about the length of... stuff...

And f*ck yeah commas rock!

Because most of us don't know enough about the world to even realize that there are people who would post 3.7 as 3,7.

Or 3,000,000 as 3.000.000.


I'm not trying to be rude. But the majority of Americans really know nothing about the world.

I am allowed to say this, as I am American.

[SpiffySquee]

Luc0s wrote...

Which is why if Spiffy would lead the war against the reaper, he would doom humanity unnecessarily. He would sacrifice humanity to save the asari, even though he also could have saved both if he actually had humanity on the top of his priority list.

Man, knowing that your species is doomed because the leader of humanity (Commander Spiffy Shepard) though it doesn't have to be that way... talking about a grim fate. I wouldn't want to be a human if I lived in Spiffy's universe.

Would you stop putting words in my mouth? All I said was that I think they are equally important and that I would save which everyone I had the greater chance of saving. I never said anything about sacrificing humanity when I could save both. You are completely changing your original question and pretending that saving one means saving both.

[Volus Warlord]

Why do people love asari so much?

[Xilizhra]

Agamo45 wrote...

Shepard would have to be a complete traitor to make a decision like that. As well as deranged. No sane person would choose to save another species over their own. The Council races would sacrifice humanity in the blink if an eye if it meant their own survival. That's how it works.

And so if humanity is too altruistic for its own good, it goes extinct. Such is, as you say, the way of the world. I just don't see it as somehow worse than anyone else going extinct.

[didymos1120]

RAF1940 wrote...


I think he's coming at this from a scientific angle. And, scientifically, he is right.

Science tells us what IS, not what OUGHT to be.  And genes don't give a crap about "the species".  They just replicate.  If that means instilling a tendency to prolonged maternal/paternal care and defense of young, indifference to the fate of offspring, or even a willingness to be eaten by the female in the midst of procreating, so be it. Whatever works.

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 août 2011 - 02:55 .

[RAF1940]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Which is why if Spiffy would lead the war against the reaper, he would doom humanity unnecessarily. He would sacrifice humanity to save the asari, even though he also could have saved both if he actually had humanity on the top of his priority list.

Man, knowing that your species is doomed because the leader of humanity (Commander Spiffy Shepard) though it doesn't have to be that way... talking about a grim fate. I wouldn't want to be a human if I lived in Spiffy's universe.

Would you stop putting words in my mouth? All I said was that I think they are equally important and that I would save which everyone I had the greater chance of saving. I never said anything about sacrificing humanity when I could save both. You are completely changing your original question and pretending that saving one means saving both.

C'mon guys. No need to argue.

[bobdooly]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Which is why if Spiffy would lead the war against the reaper, he would doom humanity unnecessarily. He would sacrifice humanity to save the asari, even though he also could have saved both if he actually had humanity on the top of his priority list.

Man, knowing that your species is doomed because the leader of humanity (Commander Spiffy Shepard) though it doesn't have to be that way... talking about a grim fate. I wouldn't want to be a human if I lived in Spiffy's universe.

Would you stop putting words in my mouth? All I said was that I think they are equally important and that I would save which everyone I had the greater chance of saving. I never said anything about sacrificing humanity when I could save both. You are completely changing your original question and pretending that saving one means saving both.

If you save Asari, humanity dies and asari prospers. If you save humanity, humanity lives to struggle another day and asari survive on all of their colonies. Remember, asari were the first to expand and had the most time.