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[SpiffySquee]

Luc0s wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

Would you stop putting words in my mouth? All I said was that I think they are equally important and that I would save which everyone I had the greater chance of saving. I never said anything about sacrificing humanity when I could save both. You are completely changing your original question and pretending that saving one means saving both.

Okay, so you admit that you'll put humanity on top of your priority-list now you know that the asari can suffer billions of casualties and still survive, while humanity would be doomed with billions of casualties?

Humans are not doomed with billions of lives lost. Even a million humans can survive and prosper, but yes, and I never said different. But that is not the title of the thread. save the Asari over the Humans. This means one live and one dies. You didn't say save Thessia over Earth, or this number vs that number. You said Humans or Asari.

Modifié par SpiffySquee, 21 août 2011 - 03:06 .

[RAF1940]

Ferris95 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Travie wrote...

We would basically turn out like the drell...

Part of the galactic community, but rare to ever see one.

Probably.

Would that be so bad? We would be few but damned respected for our sacrifice.

Just like the quarians are respected for their toughness and absolute refusal to die despite severe adversity.

That's different, the quarians made the geth and struck first instead of being diplomatic with what we're basically a brand new sentient species. The Reapers came out of nowhere (dark space, but whatever) and humanity made a real delibirate sacrifice, not an accidental self-inflicted exile.

I agree. This would be fundamentally different from what happened to the quarians.

[furryrage59]

Would save my own race ifi had to make the hard call.

[Thepeak12]

Warden130 wrote...

Vamp44 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No.

[Sunnie]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Alright there tough guy, you've been throwing your testosterone all over the thread... provide proof.

Right.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Earth
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Terra_Nova
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Eden_Prime
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Human (see "Human Worlds" for a list of all human colonies with links to their respective wiki-page)

You've managed to forget about Bekenstien, theres another 5.4 million, and I am pretty sure theres dozens of other colonies around the expanse. Liara, if I remember right, makes several comments abotu how humans are expanding all over....

Liara is a manipulative blue-skinned moron that cannot be trusted.

And opinions are like butt holes.. everyone has one!

[bobdooly]

Ferris95 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Travie wrote...

We would basically turn out like the drell...

Part of the galactic community, but rare to ever see one.

Probably.

Would that be so bad? We would be few but damned respected for our sacrifice.

Just like the quarians are respected for their toughness and absolute refusal to die despite severe adversity.

That's different, the quarians made the geth and struck first instead of being diplomatic with what we're basically a brand new sentient species. The Reapers came out of nowhere (dark space, but whatever) and humanity made a real delibirate sacrifice, not an accidental self-inflicted exile.

They refuse to die despite having practically no rights because of something that their ancestors did 300 years ago. Which didn't effect the whole galaxy until Sovvy showed up, which was after the fact.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm not going to save just one race! "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."

[Agamo45]

Xilizhra wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Shepard would have to be a complete traitor to make a decision like that. As well as deranged. No sane person would choose to save another species over their own. The Council races would sacrifice humanity in the blink if an eye if it meant their own survival. That's how it works.

And so if humanity is too altruistic for its own good, it goes extinct. Such is, as you say, the way of the world. I just don't see it as somehow worse than anyone else going extinct.

Because it's your own species going extinct. This should be obvious.

[Merchant2006]

I'd prefer getting mind-sporked by an Asari anyday, so that should be reason enough to save the Asari. 1000 year old booty call. *Coolface*

[asindre]

Sunnie22 wrote...

asindre wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Okay, so you admit that you'll put humanity on top of your priority-list now you know that the asari can suffer billions of casualties and still survive, while humanity would be doomed with billions of casualties?

Where are you getting these numbers?

He's cherry picking the Wiki

I'd like to see where he's picking it from

[Rockworm503]

Luc0s wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

What a very close minded view of the world you have. I should save America just because I'm American? What if I have a greater chance of saving Europe? Should I just ignore that? What if America does not have the better chance of rebuilding afterward and dies out anyway? Oh well? Guess it does not matter because I was born here. What a fine way to judge things by. I was born on this rock instead of that rock, so this rock is much more important. I will save this rock no matter what, even if I have a better chance of saving the other rock. Even though the other rock is much more valuable to the world as a whole.

I was born with hair instead of a tentacle head, so obviously anyone with hair is much more important... My way of life and my people are so much more important than your way of life and your people because I'm selfish. Is that what you are trying to say I beleive? Because I don't.

Oh I must be full of it because I don't see the world the way you do, and that is just not possible.<_<

You totally miss the point.

America v.s Europe is a bad analogy to begin with. This is about the survival of your species!

A home, if destroyed, is replacable. We can replace homes. We can replace cities. We can replace entire nations. But we CANNOT replace a species.

Would you save your own child over a random other person? Yes.
Would you save your own species over a random other species? Yes.

To say you wouldn't answer "yes" to both questions is simply a lie. I'm 100% sure the answer is "yes" to the first question and I'm 100% sure the answer would be "yes" to the second question if Mass Effect was real.


Looking out for your own species =/= selfish you idiot (sorry, but if you honestly think looking out for my own species is selfish than you deserve to be called an idiot).

In fact, looking out for your own species is far from selfish. Again: If Commander Shepard doesn't look out for humanity, who else would?


The ONLY exception to the rule is when you KNOW your own species has no chance to survive but another species MIGHT survive. ONLY THEN I'd say it's reasonable to sacrifice what's left of humanity to save the other species.

ah Luc0s calling people who have different viewpoints than his own.  Don't ever change man.

[bobdooly]

Ferris95 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

bobdooly wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Travie wrote...

We would basically turn out like the drell...

Part of the galactic community, but rare to ever see one.

Probably.

Would that be so bad? We would be few but damned respected for our sacrifice.

Just like the quarians are respected for their toughness and absolute refusal to die despite severe adversity.

That's different, the quarians made the geth and struck first instead of being diplomatic with what we're basically a brand new sentient species. The Reapers came out of nowhere (dark space, but whatever) and humanity made a real delibirate sacrifice, not an accidental self-inflicted exile.

They refuse to die despite having practically no rights because of something that their ancestors did 300 years ago. Which didn't effect the whole galaxy until Sovvy showed up, which was after the fact.

Are you suggesting that after we as a species stop an entire fleet halt mecha space Cthulus with our own blood would be strip of our rights? And it would be viewed as a crime that we slayed the Reapers? Get a grip.

We would be vindicated for Shepard's choice and generally recognized as one of the few good forces in the universe.

You are saying that like you really expect the batarians or like minded people to care.

[Tommy6860]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Alright there tough guy, you've been throwing your testosterone all over the thread... provide proof.

Right.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Earth
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Terra_Nova
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Eden_Prime
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Human (see "Human Worlds" for a list of all human colonies with links to their respective wiki-page)

You've managed to forget about Bekenstien, theres another 5.4 million, and I am pretty sure theres dozens of other colonies around the expanse. Liara, if I remember right, makes several comments abotu how humans are expanding all over....

Liara is a manipulative blue-skinned moron that cannot be trusted.

[SpiffySquee]

Luc0s wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

You said Humans or Asari.

No, the OP said human or asari.

But I still stand firm that even if it would come to human v.s asari, I'd still pick human. If you think that makes me selfish then so be it.

Never said you were wrong for being selfish. I said you were wrong for assuming everyone thinks like you and calling them liar if they claim otherwise.

[RAF1940]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not going to save just one race! "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."

This isn't just saving one race.

[Sunnie]

Luc0s wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

asindre wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Okay, so you admit that you'll put humanity on top of your priority-list now you know that the asari can suffer billions of casualties and still survive, while humanity would be doomed with billions of casualties?

Where are you getting these numbers?

He's cherry picking the Wiki

Not cherry picking. You can basically visit every single wiki-page on the whole goddamn mass effect wiki and you'll see I'm still right.

Heck, me and a couple of friends already had this argument before and we already basically checked out every single source possible for population numbers. With all the info we found we basically confirmed that indeed 99% of the human race is centered on planet earth.

You , of course, can believe what you want! Just pound your chest a little harder while you force it upon everyone else!

[bobdooly]

Ferris95 wrote...

I do. No matter how angry or racist any species might be in the universe, you can't argue with a heroic sacrifice that averts the apocolypse. Honestly, try to justify someone getting mad at the martyrs who saved all life ever.

They would view conquering the saviors of the galaxy as a sign of strength. They ENSLAVE people. They don't give a flying **** about respect.

[asindre]

Luc0s wrote...
I'm not cherry pciking the wiki. And I already provided a couple of links in this topic, I believe 1 or 2 pages back.

I'm not talking about human numbers. I mean the "trillions of Asari" that you apparently found somewhere.