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[Yuqi]

 What are everyones thoughts on this?

If you spared Zevran, you get this in the codex entry:


We are in danger, friend. Two of the seven Guildmasters are already in Zevran Arainai's pocket, and the Guildmaster of Rialto is dead. While no proof exists, we both know he was involved whether he claims the deed or not. They should have released him when they discovered he lived, "honor of the Antivan Crows" be damned. What option do we have now?

The Guildmasters dismissed Zevran's threat without considering just how many assassins were similarly disaffected. Too many of our numbers have been cheated out of their rightful tithes, driven into hiding, or intimidated into silence… and somehow, Zevran is finding them all. You report that he is not in Antiva, but that isn't always the case. He appears in a city until our operatives find him and chase him out into Rivain or the Free Marches—and then we never hear from them again. We have both spoken to the remaining Guildmasters, and they have denied us. They are blind, and it makes me think maybe Zevran is right. Perhaps it is time for a change.

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Will the state of the crows,affect the Mage/Templar war?
What are the possible repercussion's ?
What happens if you killed Zevran,will the crows stay the same?

Modifié par Yuqi, 21 août 2011 - 02:37 .

[TEWR]

I approve of Zevran killing the Crows

[Macropodmum]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I approve of Zevran killing the Crows

Ditto

[TEWR]

Perhaps he could change and unify them and get them to not be so involved in politics. The Antivan Crows are actually the only thing that kept the Qunari from invading Antiva, so while I do approve of Zevran killing the Crows in an effort to change them, I'm hoping that he (and really Bioware) knows what to do.

Zevran probably does though.

And I imagine that if he is dead, they could easily have a new character being the one to do this. But... I don't think Bioware should give us the option to kill companions anymore, since that will just lead to too many variables to keep track of.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[Nerdage]

Reading that codex I suspect the crows were already close to some sort of upheaval. I hope Zevran does have a significant impact on how it plays out, but I think most of it will be the same regardless of if he lives.

If something really big happens though, they disband or lose power or something similar, Antiva's pretty much defenseless. No idea how that could affect the chantry's problems, but it's pretty big news.

Modifié par nerdage, 21 août 2011 - 02:46 .

[TEWR]

It's possible Zevran has some like-minded allies within the Crows who wanted change. That could be a great way for what's going on if Zevran is dead. They still move forward with their plan, but are even more careful about it and enlist outside help.

Perhaps the PC in DAIII could get an entire quest chain. If Zevran's dead, you help the group with 4 missions. If Zevran is alive, you help them with 5, and the 5th one allows you to meet Zevran.

[Yuqi]

I forgot to add this codex entry

If you were in a romance with Zevran:

After centuries of unity that have led us to rule a nation from the shadows and have placed kings and queens in our pockets, we are being torn apart from within by a single elf who didn't even succeed in his mission. How could anyone have guessed that the Grey Warden would become his lover and support his crusade? That Zevran would help defeat the Blight and become a hero within the Crows, even as we branded him anathema?

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More or less the same, but the warden supports/helps in his crusade. I wonder if the warden is backing him,would that make things more difficult. I mean having your lover there,might be a liability.

The warden would be getting older,and suffering more frequent nightmares.

[devSin]

The Antiva codex always bothered me. A lot. Not that the Crows can't be all badass, but it just sounds ridiculous.

"Even the darkspawn travel around Antiva, never through. Because of the Crows! Caw-caw!" I mean, come on.

Maybe David had the flu or something.

[TEWR]

I'm pretty sure that only the Qunari avoid Antiva.


edit: yup. From the Zevran codex in Origins:

Anyone would think, then, that Antiva would be a ripe target for invasion by one of her neighbors, but even the Qunari leave Antiva alone for one very good reason: the House of Crows.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 août 2011 - 03:07 .

[devSin]

I'm still wondering how you thought I was being literal there? I was laughing at my own cleverness, and then you had to come and be all "That's not what it says!" :-)

Anyway, that's what I'm talking about. "Even the Qunari leave Antiva alone" my ass. Because of the Crows?

Unless crows are sacred to the Qun or something. Then maybe it wouldn't sound so dumb.

Modifié par devSin, 21 août 2011 - 03:19 .

[TEWR]

Eh, had you said Qunari I wouldn't have taken it literally. For some reason I took it literally with the Darkspawn. But you forgot the most basic rule of not being taken seriously: smilies. You need smilies man!


Anyway, think of it this way. The Qunari see everyone outside of the Qun as bas. They see everyone as inferior. The Crows however have numerous resources and skills, and could possibly feign joining the Qun in an attempt to kill certain important people in the Qun.

Add into that the fact that the Crows employ poisons and other things more than other armies, and that they're an army unto themselves, and they are fearsome.

Plus, prior to Zevran they had a perfect success record. The Qunari were probably not willing to test that. Qunari are still men and women after all, and still think and feel like everyone else.

There's also an armada of ships in Antiva IIRC. The Felicisima Armada (who will put aside petty differences and band together against invaders). Antiva, despite being ruled by weak kings, boasts a considerable amount of force.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 août 2011 - 03:27 .

[Nerdage]

Not such a perfect record, if Sten's bater with Zevran is to be believed.

Sten: She was a Crow, as you were. Sent to assassinate the kithshoks, leaders of the army of Seheron, for the Tevinter Imperium. We knew this, and pitied her.
Zevran:  I'm surprised you did not simply slay her.
Sten: There was no need. Her questions were meant to show her the way through the jungle towards our fortifications. And so one day, she snuck into the jungle to find her target. We found the pieces of her body in a tree, where the spotted cats kept them for later. We had never told her that our kithshoks were the ones who negotiated all the trades at the port.

Modifié par nerdage, 21 août 2011 - 03:35 .

[dragonflight288]

I am reminded of an epilogue from Origins where Zevran returns to Antiva and becomes the leader of the crows.

That letter said he had two guild masters and their cells in his pocket. Sounds to me like Zevran is cleaning house with the crows and is taking over, killing those who enforce the old rules that disenfranchised so many crows that the letter mentioned had gone into hiding.

It seems like the Antivan Crows will remain, but they will not be as strong as they have been in the past because for the first time in history, they are fighting someone who knows all their tricks and is using their old methods against them because the people in charge don't consider him such a threat that they need to change their methods of catching him.

[TEWR]

damn, I wanted to beat you to it nerdage!

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 août 2011 - 03:37 .

[Nerdage]

Don't steal my moment..

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I hope Zevran takes over the Crows, and we get to meet him in DA3 in his new role. That would be awesome.

[devSin]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There's also an armada of ships in Antiva IIRC. The Felicisima Armada (who will put aside petty differences and band together against invaders). Antiva, despite being ruled by weak kings, boasts a considerable amount of force.

Yeah, but that's not what the codex says. It says "the Crows".

I bet the qunari avoid Antiva because they have better things to do. And I bet that if they didn't, that they actually wanted it for some reason, they would try to take it. And I bet the Crows would eventually need to leave their "House" and settle into a nice "Refugee Camp" somewhere out of the qunari range of influence.

Are a group of lanky assassins a partial reason for electing not to start trouble? Sure, I imagine they are. But they're not the great wall of freaking Antiva, keeping the world that's just waiting to plunder her booty at bay.

No, I don't have a problem with the idea that the Crows are a force to be reckoned with. But the way that it's expressed in that codex entry really bothers me, like I said. It's dumb.

[TEWR]

nerdage wrote...

Don't steal my moment..

one day, I shall steal your moment.

[dragonflight288]

one day, I shall steal your moment. http://social.biowar...oticons/lol.png

But you went the extra mile and posted the entire discussions, nerdage only put in a small portion.

[Urzon]

The reforming of the Crows is a good thing, but with all the general chaos that is going to be happening in DA3; i wouldn't be surprise to see their downfall somewhat. That would be sad. What would Antive be without the Crows? It's like their main export (along with fish chowder and leather).

On a side note. How rich is Zevran? It would take alot of gold to have two of the seven guildmasters of the Crows in your pocket. They do basically run the whole country after all, and i don't remember having my Warden loan him any money. If he was that rich in Origins, he should have helped foot the bill for the drakescale armor i had to buy for him.

Modifié par Urzon, 21 août 2011 - 03:53 .

[Nerdage]

dragonflight288 wrote...

one day, I shall steal your moment.

But you went the extra mile and posted the entire discussions, nerdage only put in a small portion.

More like I went the extra mile and filtered out the unnecessary bits.

Urzon wrote...

On a side note. How rich is Zevran? It would take alot of gold to have two of the seven guildmasters of the Crows in your pocket. They do basically run the whole country after all, and i don't remember having my Warden loan him any money. If he was that rich in Origins, he should have helped foot the bill for the drakescale armor i had to buy for him.

There are other ways to influence people. Maybe they plan to benefit from what Zevran's doing somehow, or he has some leverage over them.

Modifié par nerdage, 21 août 2011 - 04:01 .

[dragonflight288]

Or he scares the crap out of them with a threat to seduce their wives.

[Macropodmum]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Or he scares the crap out of them with a threat to seduce their wives.

and husbands? lol

[dragonflight288]

those guys too. And legal age children.

[Sepewrath]

devSin wrote...

I'm still wondering how you thought I was being literal there? I was laughing at my own cleverness, and then you had to come and be all "That's not what it says!" :-)

Anyway, that's what I'm talking about. "Even the Qunari leave Antiva alone" my ass. Because of the Crows?

Unless crows are sacred to the Qun or something. Then maybe it wouldn't sound so dumb.

Well you have to keep in mind that these codex entries aren't iron clad fact, the writer can believe that, but I don't see a Qunari telling them that.