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#351
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iOnlySignIn wrote...

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The best way to destroy their monopoly is to find another planet with this much eezo

Unlikely, as

(1) Such a planet is very likely to develop Biotic lifeforms, which would have evolved into space faring species like the Asari. The fact that we haven't seen them is likely because they are either nonexistent or inaccessible.

(2) Reapers would have noticed such a planet and built a Relay near it, just like they did with Thessia. We haven't discovered this Relay yet, which means it is likely to be nonexistent or inaccessible.

force an equal distribution of element zero to all council races through diplomacy.

Do that to the OPEC. Perhaps they can distribute their oil equally to Europe, the U.S., Japan, and China. That would solve a lot of problems.

Wait... 

1. I never said it was easy. Simply preferable.
2. Your examples are silly in this one. First of all we do not have 4 large nations running everything on Earth where one of them has a monopoly on oil. It is not applicable.

1136342t54 wrote...

sorentoft wrote...
Nothing
is permanent and it was not the goal either. The goal was to disperse
the Asari monopoly of Element Zero. An equal distribution model does
exactly that. If it was temporary for 200 years, you could be certain
that humanity would try to remake the deal, and so would every other
race on the council that is not Asari. The Asari would be forced to keep
the model or risk a severe political crisis. Please note the deal is
for all council races, once signed it is a very tangled web to get out
of.


Even if that would occur (which it won't) the
Asari wouldn't let them redistribute it equally. It wouldn't really help
them financially. It will only be temporary so that the races can
rebuild themselves with the extra eezo. The Asari wouldn't have no
reason to continue it after a few hundred years and most races wouldn't
mind going back to the old system since its obvious the Asari won't act
like humans and use it like a monopoly (I wouldn't even call it a
monopoly). 

Also if we assume that eezo is mostly controlled by
the government and corporations (which it likely is) then things get a
little tricky. There is too much eezo in the Galaxy to say that the
Asari controlls all of it. They probably have large enough reserves in
which they controll a good chunk of it. The rest is divied up between
corporations and governments of the other races.

One note more: I am working from the assumption that the Asari at large do have a monopoly. If they do not, this is naturally not an applicable solution. If they do have it however you 'simply' declare that all those companies within Citadel space now belong to the Citadel.

Anyway, you assume that other races will be satisfied with a mere 200 years of eezo. Do not kid yourself. That is extremely naive. Races almost always work for their own first, this would be no exception. There is no reason why humans, turians and salarians alike would not want this deal remade. If anything it would fall apart if one side wanted a greater part of the eezo than the others, not because the Asari suddenly say 'you had it for 200 years now all mine naya!'. It just do not work that way.

The Asari could try to pressure the galactic community by not resigning the deal, but they would be seen as villains by the rest of the galaxy. It would not just have political or diplomatic ramifications, but other races may stop to trade with them in protest, not to mention it could be forced through in the council by the three members that would be pro extending the deal: humans, salarians and turians.

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sorentoft wrote...One note more: I am working from the assumption that the Asari at large do have a monopoly. If they do not, this is naturally not an applicable solution. If they do have it however you 'simply' declare that all those companies within Citadel space now belong to the Citadel.

If they had a monopoly they either A)  distributed well enough that no other race necessarily had  a problem with the amount they had or B) It would have been give equally to most Citadel races. I doubt its a monopoly since most races have their own stores of Element Zero and it isn't necessarily impossible to find. Their are multiple planets that have large element zero stores its just hard to mine.

 
Anyway, you assume that other races will be satisfied with a mere 200 years of eezo. Do not kid yourself. That is extremely naive. Races almost always work for their own first, this would be no exception. There is no reason why humans, turians and salarians alike would not want this deal remade. If anything it would fall apart if one side wanted a greater part of the eezo than the others, not because the Asari suddenly say 'you had it for 200 years now all mine naya!'. It just do not work that way.

Your assuming I was entirely serious with the 200 years estimate.

That was basically guestimate of how they would possibly do it. The Asari could wait for a thousand or more years. Remember they are long term planners.

The Asari could try to pressure the galactic community by not resigning the deal, but they would be seen as villains by the rest of the galaxy. It would not just have political or diplomatic ramifications, but other races may stop to trade with them in protest, not to mention it could be forced through in the council by the three members that would be pro extending the deal: humans, salarians and turians.


It probably wouldn't matter much to the other races who have large stores of eezo (Council races and some minor races). The Asari have enough element zero to affect the market but it isn't so much where they have the largest share. If that were the case then its obvious the other species don't have a problem with it. If humanity attempts to actually force the Asari into doing this they would need the support from other races which may or may not happen.

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If they had a monopoly they either A)  distributed well enough that no
other race necessarily had  a problem with the amount they had or B) It
would have been give equally to most Citadel races. I doubt its a
monopoly since most races have their own stores of Element Zero and it
isn't necessarily impossible to find. Their are multiple planets that
have large element zero stores its just hard to mine.

I am not defending whether they do have a monopoly or not. I am simply working from it in my argument, since that is when and where it should be applied. :)

Your assuming I was entirely serious with the 200 years estimate.

That
was basically guestimate of how they would possibly do it. The Asari
could wait for a thousand or more years. Remember they are long term
planners.

The longer they wait the more acustomed the others races becomes to this luxury, thus it will be more difficult for the Asari to wrestle free of the agreement.

If humanity attempts to actually force the Asari into doing this they
would need the support from other races which may or may not happen.

If we work from that the Asari has a monopoly (which is uncertain, but as I said I will not try to defend this point), then the other races would most likely support it. It increase their own power and decrease that of the Asari.

Modifié par sorentoft, 09 septembre 2011 - 09:19 .


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From looking at the N7 ops description of Thessia they seem to have a lot of element zero capable of effecting its price galaxy wide but it is likely they could be seen as the Saudi Arabia of ME when it comes to Element Zero. They sell the most but they definitely do not have the most.

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1136342t54 wrote...

From looking at the N7 ops description of Thessia they seem to have a lot of element zero capable of effecting its price galaxy wide but it is likely they could be seen as the Saudi Arabia of ME when it comes to Element Zero. They sell the most but they definitely do not have the most.

Which would render this entire discussion moot. Destruction of Thessia is still not preferable, treaty would be inefficient and thus the best solution would be to find more planets with eezo.

We anticipate future exchange of data.

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Indeed.

#357
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Im so not sacrificing them

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Works for me. As long as I don't get caught and get a medal at the end of the day.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Good, just so long as you realize I'll be on the opposite side of the war.


I agree.

It is reassuring to see that the misguided and delusional will not adulterate our ranks. :lol:


*Reads OP about genocide for financial benefit, thinks of naz! gold, flips of OP*

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Humans should be assimilated by the asari.

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shiftylookingspacecow

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Wouldn't something like this be rediculously costly?

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Good, just so long as you realize I'll be on the opposite side of the war.


I agree.

I'm sure my Shepard would look great in a asari commando armor :wub:

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shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

Wouldn't something like this be rediculously costly?


It would but of course the "HUMAN **** YEAH!!!" crowd would disagree.

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shiftylookingspacecow wrote...

Wouldn't something like this be rediculously costly?


Not if you hire a ton of mercs to slaughter each other. Soon nobody's left to collect.

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tonnactus wrote...

Humans should be assimilated by the asari.

Ye Gods!!...:crying:....No thanks....:(

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I am saving Thessia and then Liara will hit all the asari haters with a singularity.

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Screw it I am saving Thessia before Earth

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Humanity>Crap>Everyone else. /Thread

I like when kids say Humans are boring when they're really the most diverse looking race in this game, whereas all the other races look like clones of each other.

Modifié par lawl913, 10 septembre 2011 - 02:39 .


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lawl913 wrote...

Humanity>Crap>Everyone else. /Thread

I like when kids say Humans are boring when they're really the most diverse looking race in this game, whereas all the other races look like clones of each other.

Actually almost every single human have basically the same body type. So does most of the other aliens.

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I would probably more inclined to agree if you weren't acting like such a snarky b!tch towards the people who disagree.

Modifié par Swimming Ferret, 10 septembre 2011 - 03:49 .


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If you are responding to me then then how have been a snarky **** to everyone who disagree with me?

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 10 septembre 2011 - 03:50 .


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1136342t54 wrote...

If you are responding to me then then how have been a snarky **** to everyone who disagree with me?


I was talking about the person who made this thread. :|

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Ah my mistake then.

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Barquiel wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Good, just so long as you realize I'll be on the opposite side of the war.


I agree.

I'm sure my Shepard would look great in a asari commando armor :wub:

Until you realize that all Asari have gained a few cup-sizes since ME1 and 2, and now the armor is, ahem, too loose for your Shepard.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Until you realize that all Asari have gained a few cup-sizes since ME1 and 2, and now the armor is, ahem, too loose for your Shepard.


They'd also fight among themselves, trying to get Shepard in their own squad and in the end killing themselves until Shepard is alone. :D

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 septembre 2011 - 08:22 .