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[Yakko77]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Depends. I see no necessary corrolation and in the coming war, I see the Asari as mostly useless, as they do not have a real army and do not provide military advantages like the Turians, Salarians and Krogans.

I'd much rather let a militarily efficient species take control of and secure a valuable resource for the war effort, I would not trust the Asari to do that.

Wait, don't the Asari have a large dreadnaught fleet second only to the Turians?

Yes, which can be manned by any other species. Weapons on their own do not form an army, which the Asari do not have: "The asari military resembles a collection of tribal warrior bands with no national structure."
And we have seen historically how inefficient they were agianst the Rachni and Krogans.

It will depend on the situation when I am making that choice. But if victory became likely without Asari help and I had the chance to allow their weakening, I'd let it happen without second thought.

If however the stakes are clearly against us, then no, of course I will seek to preserve the Asari as allies.

Good point.  That would perhaps explain why they "put their eggs in one basket" with the DA in ME1.  Let it get destroyed and in ME2 there is mention in a random news report about the Asari ceding their defensive responsibilities to the Citadel to the turians or something to that efect IIRC.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yakko77 wrote...
Good point.  That would perhaps explain why they "put their eggs in one basket" with the DA in ME1.  Let it get destroyed and in ME2 there is mention in a random news report about the Asari ceding their defensive responsibilities to the Citadel to the turians or something to that efect IIRC.

Indeed, that does happen if DA is destroyed.

@ OnlySign.

The American policy in Japan is indeed what I had in mind, to some extent. The difference is that Japan had no natural ressources that the USA would want.

So a better example might be the Arab Gulf. The USA provides military security in exchange for some privileges. Something similar to that can be established.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 août 2011 - 04:35 .

[flyboy85]

VAE VICTIS!

[GodWood]

OP I like your style

[Seboist]

The only thing better than the destruction of Thessia would be if it was destroyed while Liara was on it.

[LucidStrike]

...So you folks aren't even goin' to pretend not to be Neo-Notzees? Word.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 21 août 2011 - 04:41 .

[RAF1940]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Did my thread spark this, by any chance?

Yes. I felt the need for some counterbalance to restore the equilibrium of forum Renegadeness. 

lol

[Prince of Kemet]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

What is the galaxy's most important resource? Element Zero.

Where is this resource most concentrated? Thessia.

This is the cornerstone of the Asari dominance of Galactic economy and politics - they can single-handed control the price of Element Zero via effective monopoly. This is also very likely the environmental cause for the Asari's abundant Biotic potential, and the material source of their cultural arrogance and sense of superiority. If Humanity take over Thessia, all those advantages will be ours. Now is a best time to do that ever.

How can Humanity take control of this resource rich location? Simple. Sacrifice the Asari to defeat the Reapers. All of them. Let Thessia be burnt do the ground. In the resulting post-war power vacuum, Humanity can rightfully resettle Thessia, as the vanquisher of the Reapers and the savior of the Galaxy.

Karl Marx had summarized that all wars are fought for economic reasons. The Carthaginian Empire fought to monopolize the trade of dyes in the Mediterranean. The Dutch Republic fought to monopolize the trade of spices in the East Indies. A certain country in the early 21st century fought to monopolize the trade of oil in the Middle East. Controlling an important resource is essential for the independence and prosperity of a nation.

So fellow Humans, now is our time to take our rightful place in the Galaxy. In the immortal words of Cato the Elder,

Thessia Delenda Est!

I will thoroughly enjoy watching you die a horrible, bloody, painful, slow death in the failed attempt. Hey is your first name adolph?

[Dave of Canada]

Thessia is going to burn if I'm given the chance of doing it, assuming I don't need their help to win. If I do, I'd sacrifice their forces when victory is assured. Asari, Turians and Krogans are unnecessary risks after the galactic war is over. Salarians can probably be recruited into humanity's pocket, the other species are too weak to pose any threat.

"There's only one Reaper left? Well, ummm... go fly into that black hole, yes."

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 août 2011 - 04:49 .

[Someone With Mass]

I hope you do realize that by the time the Reapers are at Thessia, they have conquered Earth a long time ago. The humans won't be in the shape to take over anything.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Thessia is going to burn if I'm given the chance of doing it, assuming I don't need their help to win. If I do, I'd sacrifice their forces when victory is assured.

"There's only one Reaper left? Well, ummm... go fly into that black hole, yes."

Personally, I think this scenaro would be, pardon the Cailanness, glorious:

We somehow lure all Reapers to a star system, by having a massive buildup in it rallying the biggest armada in galatic history. The giant armada would be made up of Turians, Asari, Salarians, Krogans,  Quarians, Geth and others. Of course humans with questionable loyalty and sense of vision would be sent there as well. The rest of the human armada would be held up by an unexpected attack (Cerberus can be made useful here), delaying their arrival.

And once the battle starts, a team of elite operatives would plant a special timed bomb in the system's mass relay, and a few minutes after, escape the system and detonate the bomb, destroying the mass relay, the system and everything in it.

The human fleet, just minutes before joining the battle, discover that they unfortunately can't. Humanity would give its brave allies its sincere condolences and take up the monumental task and responsability of providing the galaxy with reparation, stability and prosperity.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 août 2011 - 05:00 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

But what about a second very key galactic resource? Asari "escorts".

[Pockles]

As John Oliver would say: The asari have element zero, the humans want that element zero, therefore the asari have no element zero.

Essentially this? I didn't think the Alliance was a bunch of sneering imperialists.

[didymos1120]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Thessia is going to burn if I'm given the chance of doing it...

You won't be.  Bioware isn't going to allow changes that large to be made to the universe.  There's no way they're ditching the asari from the setting, and letting people indulge their lust for a virtual genocide that they'll never, ever acknowledge is just pointless and asking for epic levels of forum whining when it inevitably gets ignored..

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 août 2011 - 05:04 .

[Dave of Canada]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Personally, I think this scenaro would be, pardon the Cailanness, glorious:

Do want.

[Yakko77]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Personally, I think this scenaro would be, pardon the Cailanness, glorious:

Do want.

Whether humanity takes advantage of the situation or not, I doubt Earth is the only homeworld that gets the Pearl Harbor treatment from the Reapers.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yakko77 wrote...

Whether humanity takes advantage of the situation or not, I doubt Earth is the only homeworld that gets the Pearl Harbor treatment from the Reapers.

Their primary objective is Earth however, for obvious reasons.
I'd think that the Turians, Salarians and Asari, having been established for millenia, would not be as vulnerable as humanity if their homeworld is taken. I think they have enough numbers and enough worlds to withstand the initial shock and awe and organize some defense. If they can't, then I really do not see how we are going to win this.

[jlb524]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
So fellow Humans, now is our time to take our rightful place in the Galaxy.

No.

[Yakko77]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Whether humanity takes advantage of the situation or not, I doubt Earth is the only homeworld that gets the Pearl Harbor treatment from the Reapers.

Their primary objective is Earth however, for obvious reasons.
I'd think that the Turians, Salarians and Asari, having been established for millenia, would not be as vulnerable as humanity if their homeworld is taken. I think they have enough numbers and enough worlds to withstand the initial shock and awe and organize some defense. If they can't, then I really do not see how we are going to win this.

Didn't the Prothians essentially control the entire galaxy and they were still wiped out along with every species before before them every 50K years for literally millions of years.  Only one other Reaper that we know of has been destroyed (derelict Reaper mission in ME2) and even that one is millions of years old.

The other Council races tend to tow the technological line that the Reapers want organics to follow.  Humanity, for all its flaws can think outside the box.

Modifié par Yakko77, 21 août 2011 - 05:17 .