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[Xilizhra]

You judge if this particular strategy should be condemned.

Considering everything else they did, I hardly need to condemn it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Accepting smaller evils for a greater good?

Who are you, and what have you done with Xilzhra?

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Accepting smaller evils for a greater good?

Who are you, and what have you done with Xilzhra?

I played a lot of DA2 since the last time I got into a major ME discussion.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Accepting smaller evils for a greater good?

Who are you, and what have you done with Xilzhra?

I played a lot of DA2 since the last time I got into a major ME discussion.

You never even wrote me!

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Accepting smaller evils for a greater good?

Who are you, and what have you done with Xilzhra?

I played a lot of DA2 since the last time I got into a major ME discussion.

You never even wrote me!

I drifted away from this forum after getting into WoW, but I've since escaped its grasp.

[Xilizhra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You judge if this particular strategy should be condemned.

Considering everything else they did, I hardly need to condemn it.

This has little to do with everything else they did.

Are you going to also maintain that Michael Jackson's music is not worth condemning because of his private life?

A. Yes.
B. The "private life" you're referring to is, I believe, almost certainly a bunch of slander from greedy parents who had no issue with manipulating their children for financial gain.

And would you admit that the Asari and the National Socialists espouse virtually the same idea of aggressive racial eugenics policies?

Not the same one, as the asari aren't trying to create Lebensraum. Or a Holocaust.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 21 août 2011 - 02:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Though, a bit more on topic, this brings an important point of cultural assimilation.

Let's take a hypothetical person X, who held very good-old views on subjects. Such as not tolerating greater-good justifications for accepting evil.

X goes off and meets some new friends. They talk, oh, politics and favorites and other such things, and eventually these new friends convince X that evil doesn't need to be condemned if it is coupled with overall better results.

X, you see, has been assimilated (in part) to a new culture. In time, Post-X will probably forget that (s)he even held the Pre-X views. Now, is this a bad thing? Pre-X never would have accepted such views, and would probably say it's a bad thing. But Post-X, on account of holding the new views, probably agrees with them and doesn't think it's so bad.

So, hypothetically, was the cultural imperialism of X's new friends a bad thing? It changed X from what X used to be, to views that X once found condemnable.

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Accepting smaller evils for a greater good?

Who are you, and what have you done with Xilzhra?

She's always been like this.

She's stubborn and has a very narrow focus, but an utterly logical mind that is ruthless in attaining her objectives.

I like it.

I was about to be excited, but then I remembered that only your profile is a holographic lady.

[Xilizhra]

Though, a bit more on topic, this brings an important point of cultural assimilation.

Let's take a hypothetical person X, who held very good-old views on subjects. Such as not tolerating greater-good justifications for accepting evil.

X goes off and meets some new friends. They talk, oh, politics and favorites and other such things, and eventually these new friends convince X that evil doesn't need to be condemned if it is coupled with overall better results.

X, you see, has been assimilated (in part) to a new culture. In time, Post-X will probably forget that (s)he even held the Pre-X views. Now, is this a bad thing? Pre-X never would have accepted such views, and would probably say it's a bad thing. But Post-X, on account of holding the new views, probably agrees with them and doesn't think it's so bad.

So, hypothetically, was the cultural imperialism of X's new friends a bad thing? It changed X from what X used to be, to views that X once found condemnable.

It depends on whether the new views bring about a greater good.

Again, separate issues.

You don't create Lebensraum or commite Holocaust by admiting foreigners into your country and marrying them.

And I don't find that practice objectionable.

[Vyse_Fina]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Interesting, but if it doesn't involve violence or oppression, which I don't see this doing so much, then I'm not terribly interested in fighting against it.

Actually, something very similar was espoused in German National Socialism.

There we go, Godwin's law did it again.

[AnimaTempli101]

Two things:

1.

Merchant2006 wrote...

Thessia,

Thank you! I've been waiting for someone to do that.

2. I WOULD destroy Thessia. Actually scratch that. If I can save as many innocent lives as possible, I would. (yes, I'm a Paragon, sue me) But if put in a Virmire-esque situation between, say....Thessia and Palaven I would choose Palaven and any other homeworld/ flotilla/ mainframe over Thessia every time (bar one, just for kicks) but for different reasons.

a) The Asari, though wise and cultured and all that, are significantly unchanging. They don't listen to members of their own society that promote change to their way of life (I.E Aethyta (s.p?)) and seem to have reached the end of their voluntary cultural evolution. Other races have so much potential and I have a feeling the shock of losing Thessia would jolt them into change.

Apart from Biotics, what can the Asari offer the Galaxy that nobody else has? Volus essentially control the galactic economy, the Turians and Krogan have martial prowess, the Hanar have philosophizing (side-note, protect Khajee at all costs!) and wisdom, the Drell and Salarians have covert operations down and the Salarians are also technological masters, as are Quarians. Even the Geth have tech skills and sizeable forces (they've kept all sentient races from getting into their space for a long time after all)

[Barquiel]

AnimaTempli101 wrote...

Apart from Biotics, what can the Asari offer the Galaxy that nobody else has?

The largest economy, the most advanced technology in council space, the finest warriors...and the best dancers.

[JGDD]

Nothing like getting it wrong right from the start:

iOnlySignIn wrote...

What is the galaxy's most important resource? Element Zero.

It's inhabitants. Without which the rest is meaningless.

[AnimaTempli101]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

the best dancers.

Yeah. I always forget this one.

I refute that. Do you forget Legion? Lord of the Dance?

And to the posts before that, please note that I didn't say "The Asari contribute nothing." I just made the point that they don't possess anything other races don't already have (save naturally occurring biotics)

And there's a difference between losing your home planet and losing a dreadnought. Imagine the difference in culture that would happen if America lost half of the states in an explosion compared to losing the USS Ronald Reagan.

Also note I did say I'd try to save Thessia, it's just low down on the list.

Modifié par AnimaTempli101, 21 août 2011 - 03:19 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Nothing like getting it wrong right from the start:

iOnlySignIn wrote...

What is the galaxy's most important resource? Element Zero.

It's inhabitants. Without which the rest is meaningless.

Touché. lol

[JamieCOTC]

Naw, just negotiate a treaty to let the Dragon Age dwarves mine the ezo, just so long as humanity gets part of the take.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 21 août 2011 - 03:17 .

[crimzontearz]

uh.....sorry I am planning on living on Thessia after the war is over and the Galaxy hails me as a hero and offers me a whole harem of Asari concubines

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eh ok I'll settle for Ilium......but the Harem is non negotiable

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Can't I just nuke Thessia for the lulz?

Spoken like a true Jack fan.

:bandit:What does that have to do with it?